Things are heating up in the Donbass

[GOPerfect]

Most of mobilized reserves are still in training.

I am not really a warhawk, but I really want to see the full effect of the Russian Military force. I am tired of the Ukraine shit. I am tired of the American dollar being wasted on them. I am sick and tired of listening to all of the people defending the Ukraine as if they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. They would have been destroyed long ago if not for all of the free shit. Weak.

 

[tirwin1]

I am not really a warhawk, but I really want to see the full effect of the Russian Military force. I am tired of the Ukraine shit. I am tired of the American dollar being wasted on them. I am sick and tired of listening to all of the people defending the Ukraine as if they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. They would have been destroyed long ago if not for all of the free shit. Weak.

What makes you think the full effect of the Russian military force will be any more successful?

 

[GOPerfect]

What makes you think the full effect of the Russian military force will be any more successful?

Based on my experience training with them years ago.

 

[tirwin1]

Based on my experience training with them years ago.

Then why haven't they been more successful to date? Do you think your experience with a small group may not be representative of the entire army?

 

[GOPerfect]

Then why haven't they been more successful to date? Do you think your experience with a small group may not be representative of the entire army?

First question, no clue. Second question, probably not. I know what I have experienced and witnessed.

I wish they would unleash what they have.

Shit or get off the pot.

Just like our Army, I served for near 25 years, I trained with some great units as well as shit units. Good Soldiers as well as shitty ones.

 

[spat]

First question, no clue. Second question, probably not. I know what I have experienced and witnessed.

I wish they would unleash what they have.

Shit or get off the pot.

Just like our Army, I served for near 25 years, I trained with some great units as well as shit units. Good Soldiers as well as shitty ones.

I think it's likely that only the best units would even have the opportunity to train with American troops.

Not necessarily "special forces" level best, but "well squared away" level best.

There are a number of reasons why the Russians might not have allowed any "below average"units to ever have the opportunity.

You could be suffering from sampling bias

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I think it's likely that only the best units would even have the opportunity to train with American troops.

Not necessarily "special forces" level best, but "well squared away" level best.

There are a number of reasons why the Russians might not have allowed any "below average"units to ever have the opportunity.

You could be suffering from sampling bias

You've seen Rocky IV, right?

 

[GOPerfect]

I think it's likely that only the best units would even have the opportunity to train with American troops.

Not necessarily "special forces" level best, but "well squared away" level best.

There are a number of reasons why the Russians might not have allowed any "below average"units to ever have the opportunity.

You could be suffering from sampling bias

The units that I trained with were similar to the units in our Army, nothing more and nothing less. They were simple Soldiers doing simple jobs. They were not any of their higher trained people, like I said, all that were part of the training exercises were similar in tasks.

I have no bias. I am just tired of the shit that is being spoon fed to the World about the Ukraines. Just tired of it. They are no more special than any other Nation. Without the assistance of all Countries, the entire region would have fallen long ago. Their Military is weak and most of their equipment was sub par.

Their leadership is weak, their performance on the World stage is nothing. Stop all of the free shit and the free money and the entire place would crumble in less than a week.

 

[spat]

The units that I trained with were similar to the units in our Army, nothing more and nothing less. They were simple Soldiers doing simple jobs. They were not any of their higher trained people, like I said, all that were part of the training exercises were similar in tasks.

I have no bias. I am just tired of the shit that is being spoon fed to the World about the Ukraines. Just tired of it. They are no more special than any other Nation. Without the assistance of all Countries, the entire region would have fallen long ago. Their Military is weak and most of their equipment was sub par.

Their leadership is weak, their performance on the World stage is nothing. Stop all of the free shit and the free money and the entire place would crumble in less than a week.

I'm not saying highly trained or any sort of "elite" units.

I'm saying regular troops, but the cream of the crop of regular troops.

Normal infantry units, but only the ones that score the best in whatever metric they measure those guys in, that sort of thing.

I have no special feelings about Ukraine either. I think they are at least as corrupt as the next country, and obviously they would have fallen a long time ago without the help of the west.

But they are the only ones that are in the middle of defending themselves from a brutal unjustified invasion at the moment.

 

[Acer-m14]

just a video on Russians having fun training ..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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"In view of the terrorist act carried out by the Kyiv regime with the participation of British experts against ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships involved in the security of grain corridors, Russia is suspending its participation in the implementation of the agreement on the export of agricultural products from Ukrainian ports,” the Russian Defense Ministry announced on Telegram."

"Authorities say the attack took place in the early hours of Saturday with 'nine unmanned aerial vehicles and seven autonomous maritime drones', causing 'damage' to a minesweeper vessel and the bay's containment boom of Sevastopol."

Sevastopol: Unmanned surface vehicles hit Admiral Makarov, flagship of Russian Black Sea Fleet

UKRAINSKA PRAVDA - SUNDAY, 30 OCTOBER 2022, 07:10 At least three ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, including the Admiral Makarov flagship, were damaged as a result of the unmanned surface vessel [USV] attack on 29 October.

www.yahoo.com

 

[prambo]

Only Adult Children Still Believe US Propaganda

"It should now be quite clear to any reasonable person that the Biden administration is hell-bent on destroying Russia and will risk nuclear war in doing so. It has already started World War III with its use of Ukraine to light the final match."

 

[prambo]

Some Regimeology | The Z Blog

"Regardless, it suggests that the regime sees this war as one they cannot afford to lose, much in the same way Washington viewed Vietnam fifty years ago. Back then, that worthless backwater was the hill to die on for reasons no one could explain, but no one was allowed to question until it was too late. It is ironic that a generation that was born in the protests against the Vietnam war is closing the show by making the same errors policy makers made with regards to Vietnam policy."

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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[tirwin1]

Some Regimeology | The Z Blog

"Regardless, it suggests that the regime sees this war as one they cannot afford to lose, much in the same way Washington viewed Vietnam fifty years ago. Back then, that worthless backwater was the hill to die on for reasons no one could explain, but no one was allowed to question until it was too late. It is ironic that a generation that was born in the protests against the Vietnam war is closing the show by making the same errors policy makers made with regards to Vietnam policy."

Small exception to the statement no one could explain the Vietnam war. The book "the best and the brightest" explains it rather well. When china went communist after world war 2 there was a huge debate in this country regarding who "lost China ". The so called domino theory was prevalent back then and used to explain the war. I'm not saying the war was justified. But there was an explanation for the war.

 

[prambo]

Small exception to the statement no one could explain the Vietnam war. The book "the best and the brightest" explains it rather well. When china went communist after world war 2 there was a huge debate in this country regarding who "lost China ". The so called domino theory was prevalent back then and used to explain the war. I'm not saying the war was justified. But there was an explanation for the war.

Yes, you're right.

Another illuminating book on Vietnam was "Fire In The Lake: The Vietnamese and the Americans in Vietnam" by Frances Fitzgerald.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

UPDATE 1-Russia says it recovers drones used in Black Sea fleet attack in Crimea

Russia's defence ministry on Sunday said it had recovered and analysed the wreckage of drones used to attack ships of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in Crimea the day before, finding that the drones were equipped with Canadian-made navigation. The ministry has said Ukraine attacked the Black Sea...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Sevastopol: Unmanned surface vehicles hit Admiral Makarov, flagship of Russian Black Sea Fleet

UKRAINSKA PRAVDA - SUNDAY, 30 OCTOBER 2022, 07:10 At least three ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, including the Admiral Makarov flagship, were damaged as a result of the unmanned surface vessel [USV] attack on 29 October.

www.yahoo.com

There were false reports with videos BACK IN MAY showing the sinking of Admiral Makarov. Nothing that comes from Ukrainian sources can be believed.
In the current video from the drone, it clearly shows the attack on the drone which was detected. The video ends close but short of hitting the ship. Looks more like they hit this drone before it struck the ship.

 

[Acer-m14]

rare sighting from Ukraine on Russian Subs in the area .. click play

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

There were false reports with videos BACK IN MAY showing the sinking of Admiral Makarov. Nothing that comes from Ukrainian sources can be believed.
In the current video from the drone, it clearly shows the attack on the drone which was detected. The video ends close but short of hitting the ship. Looks more like they hit this drone before it struck the ship.

A lot of the reports I posted are clearly not from pro Ukraine sources. See screen shot below. If I hear of an incident I try to see what each side is claiming and form my own opinion . I try to read multiple stories from multiple sources to see what's going on. There's an incalculable amount of propoganda being disseminated from all sides.

 

[prambo]

My, oh my!!!

NATO and the EU seems to have pissed the people off...pulling a total money laundering scam with nuclear weapons on the table - fucking stupid.

Finland Says Ukraine Arms Ending Up In Hands Of Criminal Gangs | ZeroHedge

"Let's Get Out Of NATO": Discontent Soars Across Europe As Russian Sanctions Backfire | ZeroHedge

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My, oh my!!!

NATO and the EU seems to have pissed the people off...pulling a total money laundering scam with nuclear weapons on the table - fucking stupid.

Finland Says Ukraine Arms Ending Up In Hands Of Criminal Gangs | ZeroHedge

"Let's Get Out Of NATO": Discontent Soars Across Europe As Russian Sanctions Backfire | ZeroHedge

None of this is good at all. The short sighted unintended consequences will be felt for years.


All the NATO countries pouring billions into Ukraine while Russia cuts off their energy very well may likely and reasonably lead (ironically) to the weakening of NATO. Think about it when Europeans are freezing this winter, their industry is shut down and the economies are tanking while dealing with inflation and shortages they're going to start to look around and get really mad. Many nato countries are looking at significant internal social problems and unrest. Many may even want to get out of nato and make separate deals with Russia. In fact it's already happening.

Czech protesters call for new government, direct gas talks with Russia

Thousands of Czechs protested in Prague on Friday, demanding the centre-right government step down to allow an early election and calling for talks with Russia on gas supplies ahead of winter.

www.reuters.com

 

[Mosinitis]

A lot of the reports I posted are clearly not from pro Ukraine sources. See screen shot below. If I hear of an incident I try to see what each side is claiming and form my own opinion . I try to read multiple stories from multiple sources to see what's going on. There's an incalculable amount of propoganda being disseminated from all sides.


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In regards to an attack on Admiral Makarov, non-Ukrainian media refers to Ukrainian sources (according to) and Ukrainian evidence is that video. I also look at reports from all sides. There is no way Russians can hide the damage to flagman of the Black Sea fleet. Any attack on Russian territory, successful or not will bring Russian response. This wasn't just because of Admiral Makarov.
That said, there is a strong possibility this attack was just to test Russian defenses in preparation for another attack.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Ummmmmm

US military now doing onsite weapons inspections in Ukraine

A small number of U.S. military forces inside Ukraine have recently begun doing onsite inspections to ensure that Ukrainian troops are properly accounting for the Western-provided weapons they receive, a senior U.S. defense official told Pentagon reporters Monday. The official, who spoke on...

www.yahoo.com

Think of what this implies.

1, admitting US forces are now in the warzone
2, they're concerned enough that these weapons are going to the black market to send us troops into Ukraine to verify.


What a cluster

 

[tirwin1]

Ummmmmm

US military now doing onsite weapons inspections in Ukraine

A small number of U.S. military forces inside Ukraine have recently begun doing onsite inspections to ensure that Ukrainian troops are properly accounting for the Western-provided weapons they receive, a senior U.S. defense official told Pentagon reporters Monday. The official, who spoke on...

www.yahoo.com

Think of what this implies.

1, admitting US forces are now in the warzone
2, they're concerned enough that these weapons are going to the black market to send us troops into Ukraine to verify.


What a cluster

This was inevitable.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This was inevitable.

Sadly most of us predicted it.

 

[tirwin1]

Sadly most of us predicted it.

I wonder if china or the Mexican cartels have anything yet.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[Mosinitis]

Let's see if the West will pick up the tab for re-building Ukraine's infrastructure and keeps paying for it each time there is a retaliatory strike. We know how deeply the West cares about Ukrainian people.

Regime change plan didn't work, Russians are more patriotic and smarter.

I am sure the Russians also have a plan if NATO troops get directly involved.

 

[spat]

Let's see if the West will pick up the tab for re-building Ukraine's infrastructure and keeps paying for it each time there is a retaliatory strike. We know how deeply the West cares about Ukrainian people.

Regime change plan didn't work, Russians are more patriotic and smarter.

I am sure the Russians also have a plan if NATO troops get directly involved.

What plan would the Russians have if NATO troops get involved ?

Attack them ?


Talk about playing right into the hands of your enemy.


The US sends a few thousand "advisors" over a la early Vietnam.

Russia kills a bunch and then Brandon has his excuse to start WWIII.

That doesn't sounds like a very good plan to me.