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NATO also essentially promised membership to Ukraine today. No deadline but more or less said as soon as they "meet certain conditions" they will be granted membership
 
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Zelensky is an idiot with zero experience in diplomacy. He let the West run his country into the ground and got nothing in return. He turned his people into war slaves owned by the West. He could have played one side against the other, instead of being a puppet.
 
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Mosinitis said:
As it stands Ukraine is not even invited into NATO.
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It's pretty darn close to being "invited"


From the linked article -
NATO leaders opened the door a bit wider for Ukraine on Tuesday by offering it an accelerated path to membership and continued support while it's at war with Russia.

The decision by the 31-nation military alliance falls short of the clear pathway with timelines for acceptance that the government of President Volodomyr Zelenskyy has been demanding.

"We reaffirmed that Ukraine will become a member of NATO and agreed to remove the requirement for a membership action plan. This would change Ukraine's membership path from a two-step process to a one-step process," said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the conclusion of the summit's first day.

"We also made clear that we will issue an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO when allies agree and conditions are met. This is a strong package for Ukraine and a clear path towards its membership in NATO."


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Drinkthekoolaid said:
It's pretty darn close to being "invited"


From the linked article -
NATO leaders opened the door a bit wider for Ukraine on Tuesday by offering it an accelerated path to membership and continued support while it's at war with Russia.

The decision by the 31-nation military alliance falls short of the clear pathway with timelines for acceptance that the government of President Volodomyr Zelenskyy has been demanding.

"We reaffirmed that Ukraine will become a member of NATO and agreed to remove the requirement for a membership action plan. This would change Ukraine's membership path from a two-step process to a one-step process," said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the conclusion of the summit's first day.

"We also made clear that we will issue an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO when allies agree and conditions are met. This is a strong package for Ukraine and a clear path towards its membership in NATO."


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It's a lip service. Ukraine still needs to meet the conditions and be approved by ALL members. Neither is going to happen. Zelensky can't even spin this as a victory for domestic propaganda.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
It's pretty darn close to being "invited"


From the linked article -
NATO leaders opened the door a bit wider for Ukraine on Tuesday by offering it an accelerated path to membership and continued support while it's at war with Russia.

The decision by the 31-nation military alliance falls short of the clear pathway with timelines for acceptance that the government of President Volodomyr Zelenskyy has been demanding.

"We reaffirmed that Ukraine will become a member of NATO and agreed to remove the requirement for a membership action plan. This would change Ukraine's membership path from a two-step process to a one-step process," said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the conclusion of the summit's first day.

"We also made clear that we will issue an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO when allies agree and conditions are met. This is a strong package for Ukraine and a clear path towards its membership in NATO."


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Read that and read this

NATO approves ambitious defence plans: 300,000 troops on high readiness

At a summit in Vilnius on Tuesday, the leaders of the North Atlantic Alliance agreed on new ambitious defence plans that reflect the need to combat threats such as Russia and terrorism. Source: NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg; a correspondent of European Pravda Details: As Stoltenberg...
news.yahoo.com


NATO also moving to have 300k troops on high readiness alert.


Come on. You know exactly where things are going read between the lines and make a conclusion.

I think NATO will offer security guarantees to "western Ukraine" and will put up a no fly zone over some artificial boundary like the dnipo river or something similar. NATO is likely to say all the countries that had referendums to join Russia, Crimea, Donbas etc they won't touch but I am to the point I actually think NATO will come up with some cockamamie plan to get a foothold in the western half of the country.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
It's pretty darn close to being "invited"


From the linked article -
NATO leaders opened the door a bit wider for Ukraine on Tuesday by offering it an accelerated path to membership and continued support while it's at war with Russia.

The decision by the 31-nation military alliance falls short of the clear pathway with timelines for acceptance that the government of President Volodomyr Zelenskyy has been demanding.

"We reaffirmed that Ukraine will become a member of NATO and agreed to remove the requirement for a membership action plan. This would change Ukraine's membership path from a two-step process to a one-step process," said NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the conclusion of the summit's first day.

"We also made clear that we will issue an invitation for Ukraine to join NATO when allies agree and conditions are met. This is a strong package for Ukraine and a clear path towards its membership in NATO."
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This clears the path to NATO entering the war if they choose to do so at some point. My guess is its leverage to bring Putin to the peace table.

Since the credibility of the west has been utterly destroyed and every promise made, broken, Its hard to imagine Putin even consider it .

If NATO steps in, it will escalate to nuclear war , no way around it Even conventional war at first will bring sub launched hypersonic cruise Missiles to NY Washington , make 911 look like a walk in the park . All for the love of Ukraine .


 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Read that and read this

NATO approves ambitious defence plans: 300,000 troops on high readiness

At a summit in Vilnius on Tuesday, the leaders of the North Atlantic Alliance agreed on new ambitious defence plans that reflect the need to combat threats such as Russia and terrorism. Source: NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg; a correspondent of European Pravda Details: As Stoltenberg...
news.yahoo.com


NATO also moving to have 300k troops on high readiness alert.


Come on. You know exactly where things are going read between the lines and make a conclusion.

I think NATO will offer security guarantees to "western Ukraine" and will put up a no fly zone over some artificial boundary like the dnipo river or something similar. NATO is likely to say all the countries that had referendums to join Russia, Crimea, Donbas etc they won't touch but I am to the point I actually think NATO will come up with some cockamamie plan to get a foothold in the western half of the country.
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Thats kinda what Im thinking too. the 300,000 men is there to pressure Russia , I think. Not that Biden isnt stupid enough to do it , but 300,000 isnt going to be enough .Ive read there are back door negotiations with Russia right now.
 
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On August 2, 1990, Iraq invaded the independent nation of Kuwait. Within 5 days the United States began to deploy troops to the region. Ultimately, in response to United Nations Resolution 678, a coalition of 41 countries mobilized a force of almost 1 million soldiers, 700,000 of whom were U.S. troops. (See Appendix A for a list of participating countries and numbers of troops.)



How many soldiers did Germany have against Russia?


For the campaign against the Soviet Union, the Germans allotted almost 150 divisions containing a total of about three million men. Among those units were 19 panzer divisions, and in total the Barbarossa force had about 3,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery pieces, and 2,500 aircraft.
 
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holdover said:
This clears the path to NATO entering the war if they choose to do so at some point. My guess is its leverage to bring Putin to the peace table.

Since the credibility of the west has been utterly destroyed and every promise made, broken, Its hard to imagine Putin even consider it .

If NATO steps in, it will escalate to nuclear war , no way around it Even conventional war at first will bring sub launched hypersonic cruise Missiles to NY Washington , make 911 look like a walk in the park . All for the love of Ukraine .
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Won't be NATO.

It would be another "coalition of the willing" like they put together for Desert Storm.

You don't need NATO, you just need it's bigger members. Nobody actually gives a shit what Greece, Turkey, etc want to do.
 
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spat said:
Won't be NATO.

It would be another "coalition of the willing" like they put together for Desert Storm.

You don't need NATO, you just need it's bigger members. Nobody actually gives a shit what Greece, Turkey, etc want to do.
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Probably right. The NATO thing may just be a pressure tactic
 
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