spat
.700 Nitro Express
I think we're so close to "no fly zones" and that whole "we're not at war, just doing humanitarian police work" bullshit that I can smell it.
Things are heating up in the Donbass
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah,
It wont end well .
It wont end well .
Sadly yes I do.
My opinion has evolved over time. I used to think the west was genuinely outraged and if so, the logical course of action for a normal person would be to seek peace.
Nope. Not our psychopathic leaders. They WANT this to keep going. They want to use Ukrainian flesh to pay the price to weaken the eastern bloc/brics/Russia and buy US weapons to do so. I realized to them it's the perfect racket. They don't want it to end. It serves their insane interests more to keep the war going or to expand it than seeking peace does.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Well theres still some hope, because both sides want to avert a nuclear war. neither side wants that. BUt How far can you push the other guy before one of them swings
100% I'm Expecting almost any hour or day they will announce "together with our partners we stand with Ukraine and want to seek a peaceful settlement to this conflict we are going to establish a no fly zone over the western half of Ukraine to allow unfettered humanitarian aid assistance blah blah blah. Literally I can see that speech any hour now. They have been slow playing their poker hand for a long time and it's almost time to call, the turn happend and the river is next. They are going to have to call or fold. We know what they're going to do.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That could cause an economic collapse , What would happen then?
, Makes ya wonder.
, Makes ya wonder.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Russia can hit any target in Ukraine without its airplanes entering airspace over Ukraine. No fly zone will be an escalation without benefit.
www.rt.com
Russia now ‘mass producing’ hypersonic missiles – Rostec
Rostec Deputy has assessed the state of development of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile
Acer-m14
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Russia – Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance
missiledefenseadvocacy.org
Unless those "conditions" include sending all evidence of the current administration's corruption, money laundering, illegal bioweapon research, and pay-for-play strong-arming, and the removal of the Biden puppet, forget it.
If Ukraine wants American blood to help defend it, then Americans want blood, too.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Zelensky is definitely losing it. Chronic drug use, pressure and realization how he was played by the West are taking their toll. He has been lashing out at a number of world leaders who are on the Ukrainian side for not doing enough. The latest was in Bulgaria.
He is turning into liability for the West.
He is turning into liability for the West.
Vapor
.308 Win
Right, and in the second world war we had about 16 million men in the armed forces.
Nothing is the same as it was then.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
over the course of the war not at one time
The point was, 300,000 men isnt going to be enough to stop Russia .
Its enough to stop them from going further than Ukraine , but not kick them out.
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holdover
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the US president said that ‘Russia could end this conflict tomorrow by withdrawing forces from Ukraine, recognizing its international borders and ceasing attacks on Russia.’
Robin
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I'm curious as to just what "winning" this war is. Being told I am ignorant, uninformed and propagandized as to the nature of this war, how and why it began, I couldn't possibly recognize a victory, or a "winning" of this bloody war when, of if, it should occur in my life time. Seriously, what would winning be?
Robin
Robin
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The ones telling you that you're ignorant, uninformed and propagandized have had this war over several times now, so I'm sure the answers you're going to get will be pretty much the same regurgitated posts on this thread since it's beginning.
At this point the biggest "win" would be if there was an immediate cease fire/freeze and everything that Russia is occupying they keep and everything that is under Ukraine control they keep.
My .02 cents.
This has huge potential to start ww3 and it needs to end. The only ones who are benefitting from this carnage are the military industrial complex, corrupt power lusting politicians and globalists who want to see an west vs east conflict.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Well the pro globalists say taking back all of the Ukraine no matter what the cost. The Russians say the destruction of the Ukrainian military and the removal of Zelensky from power.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
NATO is still looking for that game changer weapon that will defeat Russia. First were Javelins, then drones, then Himars, then Leopard tanks, now cluster rounds, soon F16'S. Fucking idiots with a complex, who are really a threat to the world.
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holdover
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NATO stock piles of 155 are getting to low, so they are sending these instead. These arent meant to change the course of battle , just feed the guns
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
"Even before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the United States had put thousands of additional American troops in areas neighboring, or near, Ukraine — such as Germany, Poland and Romania — to support NATO’s eastern flank. Biden’s administration has also given Ukraine tens of billions of dollars in military aid at the same time, including an $800 million package last week."
notice the $$$$ was given and not loaned .. LOL ..
notice the $$$$ was given and not loaned .. LOL ..
Maybe true or maybe a cover story. Seems regular rounds should be easier to manufacture and thus replenish the stockpile.
Anyhow, Russians find a way to deal with everything thrown at them. There is no Russian defeat on the horizon and Ukraine cannot sustain this rate of loses.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Riff Raff Rocks .. big air plane and a dozer to push them out the back end .. LOL..
cheaper then cluster bombs ..
shit Ukraine has no big airplanes LOL ..
cheaper then cluster bombs ..
shit Ukraine has no big airplanes LOL ..
holdover
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Im thinking they have ware houses full of them , why not? Doesnt really matter , it isnt a game changer. they can do some serious damage if they catch them crossing open fields. Trenches ,woodlines, built up, areas not as much . Ukraine cant win , they can give them all the F 16s they want , just throwing good money after bad . I do believe Russia was waiting to see what happens at the NATO meeting before making a move. I would expect the Russian offensive anywhere from now to sept , A full scale Ukrainian counter attack probably wouldn't happen until spring if its even possible by then.