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how long will this war last ..
it will last as long as the war machine is raking in $$$$$$
it will last as long as the war machine is raking in $$$$$$
Things are heating up in the Donbass
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Russian Defense Minister: NATO assembled 360,000 troops in Eastern Europe. Poland is preparing to occupy Western Ukraine. Important: If NATO moves from a proxy war setting into a direct war with Russia it will be WW3 with all the devastating consequences.
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu declared that NATO is now a major direct threat to Russia with its deployment to Ukraine and to the borders of the Russian Federation: “With the armed forces of NATO in Eastern European countries, about 360,000 troops, 8,000 armored vehicles, 6,000 artillery systems and mortars, 600 warplanes and helicopters, which are deployed on the borders of the Federal State (Russia and Belarus),” he stated that this is a direct threat to Russia!
Latvia moves troops to the Belarusian border Columns of military equipment were seen in the city of Ludza. Eyewitnesses report that weapons are moving east. Earlier, the Polish authorities announced similar measures. Lithuania also strengthened its borders.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the country, according to Ingmārs Līdaka, head of the parliament’s Commission on Citizenship, Migration and Public Mobilisation.
www.lrt.lt
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu declared that NATO is now a major direct threat to Russia with its deployment to Ukraine and to the borders of the Russian Federation: “With the armed forces of NATO in Eastern European countries, about 360,000 troops, 8,000 armored vehicles, 6,000 artillery systems and mortars, 600 warplanes and helicopters, which are deployed on the borders of the Federal State (Russia and Belarus),” he stated that this is a direct threat to Russia!
Latvia moves troops to the Belarusian border Columns of military equipment were seen in the city of Ludza. Eyewitnesses report that weapons are moving east. Earlier, the Polish authorities announced similar measures. Lithuania also strengthened its borders.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the country, according to Ingmārs Līdaka, head of the parliament’s Commission on Citizenship, Migration and Public Mobilisation.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the c...
www.lrt.lt
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A Western official told CNN in an article published Tuesday that it’s "extremely" unlikely that Ukraine will make progress in its counteroffensive in the coming weeks that will alter the balance of the war with Russia.
"They’re still going to see, for the next couple of weeks, if there is a chance of making some progress. But for them to really make progress that would change the balance of this conflict, I think, it’s extremely, highly unlikely," an unnamed senior Western diplomat said.
Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) also spoke to CNN about the counteroffensive and said the briefings Congress has received on the assault are "sobering." He said the situation was the "most difficult time of the war."
Leading up to the counteroffensive, the Discord leaks and media reports revealed that the US did not believe Ukraine could regain much territory.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that Western officials did not think Ukraine had enough weapons or equipment to dislodge Russian forces. But the Biden administration pushed for the assault anyway, as it rejected the idea of a ceasefire.
www.zerohedge.com
"They’re still going to see, for the next couple of weeks, if there is a chance of making some progress. But for them to really make progress that would change the balance of this conflict, I think, it’s extremely, highly unlikely," an unnamed senior Western diplomat said.
Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) also spoke to CNN about the counteroffensive and said the briefings Congress has received on the assault are "sobering." He said the situation was the "most difficult time of the war."
Leading up to the counteroffensive, the Discord leaks and media reports revealed that the US did not believe Ukraine could regain much territory.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that Western officials did not think Ukraine had enough weapons or equipment to dislodge Russian forces. But the Biden administration pushed for the assault anyway, as it rejected the idea of a ceasefire.
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Alarm grows as Ukraine’s counteroffensive falters
There is growing alarm about the pace and prospects of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, with few signs of progress in recent weeks and Russian lines holding strong. Those concerns picked up steam …
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Close, but they actually DGAF who controls Ukraine, or how many people die.
What they care about is the money flowing into Ukraine, and how much they can siphon off.
It is for that reason that Ukraine will receive just enough support to stalemate Russia, but never enough to win.
If either side wins, then the gravy train is over.
War PigsRussian Defense Minister: NATO assembled 360,000 troops in Eastern Europe. Poland is preparing to occupy Western Ukraine. Important: If NATO moves from a proxy war setting into a direct war with Russia it will be WW3 with all the devastating consequences.
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu declared that NATO is now a major direct threat to Russia with its deployment to Ukraine and to the borders of the Russian Federation: “With the armed forces of NATO in Eastern European countries, about 360,000 troops, 8,000 armored vehicles, 6,000 artillery systems and mortars, 600 warplanes and helicopters, which are deployed on the borders of the Federal State (Russia and Belarus),” he stated that this is a direct threat to Russia!
Latvia moves troops to the Belarusian border Columns of military equipment were seen in the city of Ludza. Eyewitnesses report that weapons are moving east. Earlier, the Polish authorities announced similar measures. Lithuania also strengthened its borders.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the country, according to Ingmārs Līdaka, head of the parliament’s Commission on Citizenship, Migration and Public Mobilisation.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the c...
Black Sabbath
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!
Russian Defense Minister: NATO assembled 360,000 troops in Eastern Europe. Poland is preparing to occupy Western Ukraine. Important: If NATO moves from a proxy war setting into a direct war with Russia it will be WW3 with all the devastating consequences.
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu declared that NATO is now a major direct threat to Russia with its deployment to Ukraine and to the borders of the Russian Federation: “With the armed forces of NATO in Eastern European countries, about 360,000 troops, 8,000 armored vehicles, 6,000 artillery systems and mortars, 600 warplanes and helicopters, which are deployed on the borders of the Federal State (Russia and Belarus),” he stated that this is a direct threat to Russia!
Latvia moves troops to the Belarusian border Columns of military equipment were seen in the city of Ludza. Eyewitnesses report that weapons are moving east. Earlier, the Polish authorities announced similar measures. Lithuania also strengthened its borders.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the country, according to Ingmārs Līdaka, head of the parliament’s Commission on Citizenship, Migration and Public Mobilisation.
Latvia to ask thousands of Russian citizens to leave the country
Up to 6,000 of Russian citizens in Latvia are expected to receive official notices next month asking them to leave the c...
I think they are going to expend mobilization, that's why they made this public. They weren't impressed with NATO's armaments, training or tactics.
If Poland makes the move, they also have an option to make it disappear in a matter of minutes and still preserve mutually assured destruction leverage with the U.S.
These are scary thoughts, but it is the reality.
Life is funny....
Unless there is a full fledged apocalypse, the internet is forever.
With a bit of typing, and seeking out the truth, we can all know all there is to know about damn near everything.
This Russia/Ukraine thing is one of those things that fall into the everything part of my statement.
We can re-listen to all of the American politicians speaking of the Ukraine issue from decades ago. We can learn that what is happening is not a new and sudden thing. We can actually know and understand the truths.
So many in the US and around the World only want to look at the last year or so, use the actions of the last year to surmise all that is going on. So much deeper, and history long that so many are not picking up on.
Unless there is a full fledged apocalypse, the internet is forever.
With a bit of typing, and seeking out the truth, we can all know all there is to know about damn near everything.
This Russia/Ukraine thing is one of those things that fall into the everything part of my statement.
We can re-listen to all of the American politicians speaking of the Ukraine issue from decades ago. We can learn that what is happening is not a new and sudden thing. We can actually know and understand the truths.
So many in the US and around the World only want to look at the last year or so, use the actions of the last year to surmise all that is going on. So much deeper, and history long that so many are not picking up on.
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Piers Morgan gets absolutely smoked on Ukraine
Robin
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Yeah, the Russian dictator isn't acting like a nazi, like at all.
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Robin
The pool of simpletons who believe that is getting smaller and smaller.
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Yes, that is correct. You and holder.
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spat
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Well, there is only one leader here violently pursuing a policy that looks suspiciously like Lebensraum...
Hitler wanted to control Europe. U.S. wants to control the entire world and it's drilled into American psyche that this is how it supposed to be.
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How do you make that comparison?
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Violently invading your neighbor to acquire their territory.
Just look at the rhetoric your buddy @Mosinitis uses to defend putin. It's all about how Ukraine is rightfully Russian territory...
You could take some of the speeches and run a search/replace on Donbass and Sudetenland and you could easily have pass them off for the other.
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thats it? thats your standard?
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Lebensraum was literally the policy that Germany had a right to invade some lands because they were really German all along. It's the exact same rhetoric I've seen you using to defend Putin.
holdover
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Theres a whole lot of gray area you overlooked
holdover
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Oh boy. You missed a whole hell of lot .
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So its OK to Violently invade if you dont keep the territory?
If Hitler only invaded areas which were German pre-WWI and didn't practice Arian supremacy, he would actually get away with it and he wouldn't go down in history as a villain.
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That depends entirely on why you invade. But in the very least it's a much lesser degree of bad.
Sort of like breaking into someone's house is bad, but not all reasons are the same.
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So in the case of national security, it might be Ok?
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Except as usual the rhetoric and the actual reasons are not remotely related.
The actual reasons for the invasions were the imminent collapse of the German economy. Hitler *had* to keep going. If he stopped the whole house of cards his empire was built on would collapse.
He didn't have a path to peace, whether he wanted one or not.
I still haven't figured out the real Russian motive for this debacle. The only thing I can think is that Putin really expected this to be over in a few weeks and he was looking for the domestic political boost.
There really are a lot of parallels with the Kuwait invasion. I think both were engineered by the CIA to dupe Putin/Saddam into providing justification for some massive military spending.
Right down to the lie that we wouldn't do anything significant if they did invade.
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"National Security" is a very broad brush that is used to justify a lot of really bad behavior.
Are you suggesting that Ukraine posed any sort of real threat to Russian national security ?
Or just that Putin’s paranoia despite all logic somehow justified this ?
holdover
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That is true, However, Russia recognized this possible threat 30 years ago and during the break up of the soviet union and It was made clear to Ukraine and to the world numerous times That Ukraine joining NATO would be an unacceptable threat to Russia and would mean war. It was contingent upon release from the soviet union that Ukraine remain neutral. It was written into their constitution. Ukraine had adhered to its agreement with Russia until the 2014 overthrow of the government. All of which are historical facts .
would you define what a national security threat is so we can all be on the same page?
Ukraine alone never posed a threat to Russia. NATO did. NATO offered Ukraine a membership knowing full well it was a red line to war for the Russians , they did it anyways . they wanted the war , they armed the Ukraine. Russia wasnt even prepared for a war as was evidenced by the piss poor planning and training , lack of manpower to do the job, they had less forces than Ukraine at the start of the war. ' They tried to end the fighting in the donbass with the Minsk accords . the ones angela merkle said :
“The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time,” Merkel told the weekly Die Zeit. “It also used this time to become stronger, as you can see today.”
NATO used the “valuable time” (Merkel) gained by this terror to rebuild, arm to the teeth, and train the Ukrainian armed forces. For example, according to a British parliamentary report, the British Army has trained and equipped Ukrainian soldiers since 2014. Ukraine has not formally become part of NATO but is doing so in practice.Russia’s decision to take military action against Ukraine was the predictable—and intended—reaction to this NATO offensive.
If you dont think 30 allied countries armed and prepared to fight against you isn't a threat , I dont know what else to tell you, Your in denial of reality.
Where do you get this shit from? Hes Paranoid? He eats babies ?
Logic!!! Thats rich. He has an army massing on his border and he is supposed to do nothing about? What kind of logic is that? Dont fire until your fired on??? WTF! He warned them countless times it was a red line to war , and NATO could careless . they would allow Ukraine into NATO even if it meant war . Putin was forced to act before they actually joined NATO or he was fucked . Logic?