Things are heating up in the Donbass

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Tulsi should be president.

Would be cute, but she was anti gun, conspiring to directly violate and subvert the supreme law of the land.

That cunt belongs in prison for her sedition. End of story.

The word "shall" is compulsory. Either laws mean something to her, or she is feral. And that's that.

 

[Mosinitis]

"Soviet passports"

There's a reliable source of data if ever I saw one.

That's like using 1940s German passports as a metric to measure how many Jewish people were living in Berlin LOL.

Lots of cases of non-Russians who were listed as Russian in Soviet passport because people wanted it and there were ways to do it, but you will be hard pressed to find cases where people who weren't ethnically Russian and didn't want to be that were listed as Russian in Soviet passports.

Billions of dollars were poured into Ukraine by Washington to change people's genetic memory through false history, lies and hate mongering.
Russian Federation was ill equipped and unprepared to counter that, which they now regret.
This is what Washington does all over the world to instigate conflicts and come in as a problem solver advancing its own geopolitical goals and profiteering by people in charge of instigating such conflicts. The later becomes more of a factor than former.

 

[Mosinitis]

Look at that, I stated hours and hours ago that it was the Ukraines that murdered those innocent Polish farmers...

It took the US and the world all this extra time to make this announcement.

Still, the mask wearing fools will still support this dirty little Army.

I am sure Ukraine did it accidentally and drawing NATO into direct involvement didn't enter their mind. Right in the middle of G-20 meeting and sensing their support around the world is beginning to slip away.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I am sure Ukraine did it accidentally and drawing NATO into direct involvement didn't enter their mind. Right in the middle of G-20 meeting and sensing their support around the world is beginning to slip away.

I doubt they did it intentionally.

More like error, mechanical failure or operator incompetence.

It's a SAM. it's a surface to air missile. It has no guidance or targeting capabilities to target a land attack.


Now, on the flip side of "letting no crisis go to waste" I'm sure zelensky about creamed himself at the opportunity to muddy the waters and get more international support. He would LOVE NATO to suddenly hop in on his side. As an analogy it reminds me of old WWE tag team matches where the weaker guy is getting pummeled and is literally crawling trying to tag his bigger partner to come save him but everytime he's almost there he gets pulled back in to the middle and pounded on again. That's Russia, zelensky and NATO. Maybe I'll make a meme later

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

 

[1341]

I doubt they did it intentionally.

More like error, mechanical failure or operator incompetence.

It's a SAM. it's a surface to air missile. It has no guidance or targeting capabilities to target a land attack.


Now, on the flip side of "letting no crisis go to waste" I'm sure zelensky about creamed himself at the opportunity to muddy the waters and get more international support. He would LOVE NATO to suddenly hop in on his side. As an analogy it reminds me of old WWE tag team matches where the weaker guy is getting pummeled and is literally crawling trying to tag his bigger partner to come save him but everytime he's almost there he gets pulled back in to the middle and pounded on again. That's Russia, zelensky and NATO. May

I would think the Ukrainians are using the s300 as a sam, but the russians have been using their s300 as land attack missiles according to multiple sources. It is starting to look as everyone is coming to the consensus that it was a Ukrainian s300 that either failed to self destruct after missing its target or some other mechanical failure.

be I'll make a meme later

 

[DoOver]

Tulsi should be president.

Oh yea, gun grabber Lilly Munster's got mi vote.


NOT!!

 

[DoOver]

The missile was fired by Ukraine after all.

Organge Man calls zit.

 

[prambo]

Cocaine Rocket Man

"It’s clear by now that both sides are performing their roles in this theatrical orchestrated farcical conflict designed to keep the masses always on edge.

And so another day later a Russian-made Ukrainian-fired S-300 “defensive” missile(s) hits a farm in Poland and kills two Poles…in one of the most remote regions of the country?

Uh-huh.

Ukraine claims they shot down roughly 70 Russian missiles during yesterday’s attack. The official story is that one of the Ukrainian missiles that ended up in Poland was defensive and missed its target."

"Trusting official Ukrainian figures on anything that comes from their ministry of propaganda is like trusting anything that drools from the retarded actors performing journalism for western corporate media outlets."

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[Mosinitis]

Liberal love affair with Ukrainian Nazis continues.

 

[Defilade]

 

[holdover]

Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis​

2018

A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks.

House-passed spending bills for the past three years have included a ban on U.S. aid to Ukraine from going to the Azov Battalion, but the provision was stripped out before final passage each year.

This year, though, the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill signed into law last week stipulates that “none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.”

“White supremacy and neo-Nazism are unacceptable and have no place in our world,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), an outspoken critic of providing lethal aid to Ukraine, said in a statement to The Hill on Tuesday. “I am very pleased that the recently passed omnibus prevents the U.S. from providing arms and training assistance to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion fighting in Ukraine.”

The Azov Battalion was founded in 2014, and its first commander was Andriy Biletsky, who previously headed the neo-Nazi group Patriot of Ukraine. Several members of the militia, which has been integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard, are self-avowed neo-Nazis.

Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis

A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-…

thehill.com

Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill​

Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill

Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.

www.thenation.com

U.S. Congress admits Nazi role in Ukraine - MR Online

When even the hawkish House of Representatives can’t stomach these Nazi storm troopers who have served as Kiev’s tip of the spear against the ethnic Russian population of eastern Ukraine, what does that say about the honesty and integrity of the New York Times when it finds these same Nazis so...

mronline.org

Wake the fuck up already. Nobody gives a shit what you think , what you want, Its a fucking sham, three card Monte . They just want your support.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[holdover]

US Army General Mark Milley:

''Ukraine should think about negotiating with the Russian Federation to resolve the situation since it will be extremely difficult for Kyiv to achieve a military victory. We are all well aware that the military task, which is to physically achieve the expulsion of Russians from Ukraine, is very difficult. And this will not happen any time soon unless there is a complete collapse of the Russian army, which is unlikely. Therefore, the likelihood of a military victory for Ukraine, defined as the expulsion of Russians from all of Ukraine, including Crimea, the likelihood of such a development of events in any near future is low. This problem can be solved politically. The Russians can leave the territory of Ukraine only following the political decision that we must achieve during future negotiations with the Russian Federation''

 

[Mosinitis]

I guess Zelensky can take that Oscar and shove it up Sean Penn's ass. Ukrainian victory is not in the cards.

 

[spat]

US Army General Mark Milley:

''Ukraine should think about negotiating with the Russian Federation to resolve the situation since it will be extremely difficult for Kyiv to achieve a military victory. We are all well aware that the military task, which is to physically achieve the expulsion of Russians from Ukraine, is very difficult. And this will not happen any time soon unless there is a complete collapse of the Russian army, which is unlikely. Therefore, the likelihood of a military victory for Ukraine, defined as the expulsion of Russians from all of Ukraine, including Crimea, the likelihood of such a development of events in any near future is low. This problem can be solved politically. The Russians can leave the territory of Ukraine only following the political decision that we must achieve during future negotiations with the Russian Federation''

To what end, so they can invade again in 2026 and take another chunk ?

It doesn't make sense for Ukraine to do anything but fight at this point.

 

[holdover]

Yup, the Russians arnt going anywhere and they sure as hell are not going to negotiate anything.

They already said they will not negotiate with zelinsky.

This problem can be solved politically. The Russians can leave the territory of Ukraine only following the political decision that we must achieve during future negotiations with the Russian Federation''

I dont believe Russians are going to be in any mood to negotiate anything. My read is that NATO support for the war is not unlimited. That if the Ukrainians do not not settle it, Russia will eventually crush them .

 

[spat]

Yup, the Russians arnt going anywhere and they sure as hell are not going to negotiate anything.

They already said they will not negotiate with zelinsky.

This problem can be solved politically. The Russians can leave the territory of Ukraine only following the political decision that we must achieve during future negotiations with the Russian Federation''

I dont believe Russians are going to be in any mood to negotiate anything. My read is that NATO support for the war is not unlimited. That if the Ukrainians do not not settle it, Russia will eventually crush them .

It simply comes down to whether Russia runs out of resources to throw into the meat grinder before NATO decides they're getting bored.

The fact that every corporation in the military industrial complex is experiencing their greatest orgasm in decades does not bode well for Russia.

Raytheon, Lockheed, etc... all get to collect cold war size paychecks, with 0 risk of American casualties tells me they are willing to fight to the last Russian or Ukranian. I'm not even sure they care which it is.

 

[holdover]

As soon as the economy starts getting really bad, the US wont be able to justify the spending any longer, people are already getting pissed.

 

[tirwin1]

It simply comes down to whether Russia runs out of resources to throw into the meat grinder before NATO decides they're getting bored.

The fact that every corporation in the military industrial complex is experiencing their greatest orgasm in decades does not bode well for Russia.

Raytheon, Lockheed, etc... all get to collect cold war size paychecks, with 0 risk of American casualties tells me they are willing to fight to the last Russian or Ukranian. I'm not even sure they care which it is.

I agree. A stalemate is the perfect scenario for the Warhawks and defense contractors. War without end with the need for continuous hardware transfers to Ukraine. Putin won't stop because backing down is a quick trip to assassination. The Ukrainians won't stop until they reclaim all lost territory. Neither side seems capable of defeating the other. So endless war it is. The people of Ukraine and Russia will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future.

 

[spat]

I agree. A stalemate is the perfect scenario for the Warhawks and defense contractors. War without end with the need for continuous hardware transfers to Ukraine. Putin won't stop because backing down is a quick trip to assassination. The Ukrainians won't stop until they reclaim all lost territory. Neither side seems capable of defeating the other. So endless war it is. The people of Ukraine and Russia will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future.

Worse, they're in a position to throttle the support to *keep* it going indefinitely.

If they'd shipped all their best stuff it would have ended months ago.

They'll slow down the closer Ukraine gets to "winning" too.

They'll drag this shit show out as along as possible.

 

[tirwin1]

 

[tirwin1]

Worse, they're in a position to throttle the support to *keep* it going indefinitely.

If they'd shipped all their best stuff it would have ended months ago.

They'll slow down the closer Ukraine gets to "winning" too.

They'll drag this shit show out as along as possible.

Yes, the cynicism is absolutely breathtaking.

 

[holdover]

I agree. A stalemate is the perfect scenario for the Warhawks and defense contractors. War without end with the need for continuous hardware transfers to Ukraine. Putin won't stop because backing down is a quick trip to assassination. The Ukrainians won't stop until they reclaim all lost territory. Neither side seems capable of defeating the other. So endless war it is. The people of Ukraine and Russia will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future.

Looks that way, but there will come a time when the US will need to cut back on aid. It wont be endless. it will have an end. The ukis are 100% dependent on foreign aid, 80% of Ukraine is in the dark the Russians are now targeting gas and oil storage facility's. Sooner or later they will drop every bridge crossing the Dinper river Isolating the entire Ukraine Army from supply or at least slowing it down a great deal.

 

[holdover]

Worse, they're in a position to throttle the support to *keep* it going indefinitely.

If they'd shipped all their best stuff it would have ended months ago.

They'll slow down the closer Ukraine gets to "winning" too.

They'll drag this shit show out as along as possible.

That might be our plan, but I think the Russians have other plans.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Super odd....

Lost in everything else that happened yesterday is Ukraine shot down a Russian kh-55 nuclear cruise missile. The missile had a dummy warhead in it.


Very very odd and I can't understand what that implies.

 

[spat]

That might be our plan, but I think the Russians have other plans.

I'm sure they have other desires, but I'm not sure I'd call them plans.

Russia is completely outclassed by the power of the NATO military industrial base. They can keep throwing what's left of their youth into the meat grinder with old Soviet era weapons all they want. Raytheon is laughing all the way to the bank.

They're setting themselves up for an utter demographic collapse at best.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Super odd....

Lost in everything else that happened yesterday is Ukraine shot down a Russian kh-55 nuclear cruise missile. The missile had a dummy warhead in it.


Very very odd and I can't understand what that implies.

Source?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Source?

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halturnerradioshow.com

Russia fires cruise missiles with nuclear warhead simulator at Ukraine

One of the two cruise missiles shot down over Kyiv on 17 November was equipped with a simulator of a nuclear warhead, writes Defense Express. Source: Defense Express with reference to its own sources Details: According to confidential sources, it was a Kh-55 cruise missile, which instead of a...

news.yahoo.com

Russia fires mock nuclear warhead at Ukraine—Kyiv

Russia pummelled Ukraine on Thursday with a wave of missile strikes on cities including Kyiv, Dnipro, and the Odesa and Kharkiv oblasts.

www.newsweek.com

It's super strange to use that tactic and I have no idea what Russia is trying to do there I can't even speculate v