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Seriously? Why is that odd? I am saying that, no, I don't have any idea of what is really happening on the ground there (how could I?), but that, and here is the important qualifier "ITS LOOKING LIKE" another Afganistan for Russia. Do you not think the Russians are getting ground up? They certainly haven't defeated Ukraine. We seem to be fighting a proxy war against them, just like we did in Afganistan in the 80's.
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For some historical context, the Soviet Union suspected CIA intervention in Afghanistan as with all proxy wars between the two super powers back which each participated in decades. It was not open support, funded by congress in open debate, nor was in political in nature. Reagan denied any involvement by the U.S.

There is no mistaking that this is a war between Russia and the entire WEST aka NATO. WW3 in the making for sure. And for what? That right there is the single biggest red flag ignored by, dare I say, most millennials and Gen Z. Gen Z wants nothing to do with any war let alone voluntarily sign up for it and millennials think we can just send over High-Tech artillery, tanks, rockets; give them a months worth of training with zero NCO structure with real experience and expect to defeat Russian tank crews. They act like its a video game. lol

One question among many that has been answered is, that no matter the tech sent there on the battlefield, if you don't have highly trained and motivated men to operate it, its useless. Our armor, just like Putin's said, burns all the same. It's not the tank that fails its the crew and tactics.

I have spent too many hours trying to get a handle on what is actually going on over there and why? The why part is the toughest of them all. I can't figure that out without going in conspiracy land.

One thing is for sure, and has set a pattern, is how wrong the media has been. That alone tells me 99% is propaganda from them. The lack of information from Russia by either internet filtering aka NDAA to us, or Putin is blocking for operational security is frustrating.

Operationally, the Russians are advancing and Ukraine is in, what I would not call, a tactical retreat as they will be losing a major supply hub city in the region. You don't give that up if can hold it. This is straight up ground infantry tactics supported by tanks and artillery tactics and movement from WW2. This is not Afghanistan, Iraq or some other shit hole of goat herders with 1950's arms. This is a very capable army that is sharpening battlefield tactics against a large well funded NATO supported army. We couldn't control the goat herders yet some believe we can take on Russia in a ground war from way over here. lol Sure we can. But there is no way now to sneak in 500,000 troops now.

When we get punched in the face with 6k dead in a week and more to come, what is America's resolve then? And exactly why are we there again? That would need immediate answers.

The lack of commitment of air power by NATO and even Russia for that matter is odd as well. So the reason we don't know more is that our own country isn't telling us. What is astonishing is that some knowingly or unknowingly support that. lol
 
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Jesus....

England sending challenger tanks
Germany sending leopards
And now the US just committed to sending Abrams announced just today.

Hundreds of NATO main battle tanks will now be pouring into Ukraine

So now the US will be sending more himars, strikers, Bradley's, patriots and now main battle tanks. There are also rumors that the US is going to green light f-16s.

www.yahoo.com

Defense & national Security — Tanks coming after all

The Biden administration has changed its mind on tanks for Ukraine. We’ve got the details on the U.S. reversing course on the M1 Abrams battle tanks and we’ll discuss how the U.S. faced mounting press...
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Medvedev also just mentioned a new great patriotic war. That's code for ww3. For those who don't know history that's what the USSR called WW2 and every Russian has learned about it in school. They're aware they lost something insane like 15% of their entire population in the war. Medvedev knows what he's doing calling this a new great patriotic war, he's preparing the civilians. He chose his words carefully and if you're a Russian your not going to say that lightly.



This is really not good. I have never been so concerned we are watching the early stages of ww3 play out before our very eyes.
 
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What is it you think a Russian victory would look like ?


I say they have already lost. Even if they conquer Ukraine, they won't be able to afford to occupy it.


This whole catastrophe might have been engineered by the CIA to collapse the Putin regime. If it was, it's working. Even a military victory at this point will likely lead to their collapse.
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There is no doubt in my mind this was engineered to collapse the Russian government, Most likely to break it into pieces where it will never be a threat to the west again

A Russian victory? Hmmmmmm, I think the occupation of the Ukraine up to the dniper river Or most of Eastern Ukraine. The collapse of the zelenski regime


People dont realize that Russia did not have trade with the west for 50 years. This isnt new to Russia . Contrary to popular belief , they dont need the west , nor are they going to collapse without them. Its possible, but I dont think its likely. they still have China, India , the bric nations Venesuela Brazil the rest of the world.


Today:

Several senior Ukrainian officials have resigned after President Volodymyr Zelenskyy swiftly sought to defuse concerns over corruption at a time when he is requesting more western weaponry to repel Russian forces. “We have made personnel decisions . . . regarding officials of various levels in ministries and other central government bodies, in the regions, and in the law enforcement system,” Zelenskyy said in his overnight address to the nation. More departures are expected amid a broader reshuffling of key roles in the next few days. Ukraine has made progress in curbing the influence of oligarchs and in setting up anti-graft institutions under the guidance of its western backers but corruption persists. In Transparency International’s most recent corruption perception index, where the country in first place is seen as the least corrupt, Ukraine was ranked 122nd out of 180 states. On Tuesday, Zelenskyy accepted the resignation of Kyrylo Tymoshenko, a deputy head of his administration, who had been criticised in local media for using a luxury car registered to an acquaintance as well as a sport utility vehicle donated for humanitarian needs. Defence minister Oleksiy Reznikov accepted the resignation of his deputy Vyacheslav Shapovalov after reports pointed to probes into alleged food procurements for the armed forces at inflated prices. The defence ministry said it hoped the resignation of Shapovalov, who oversaw the procurements, “will preserve the trust of society and international partners and ensure objectivity during additional clarifications and possible investigations”.

The west is selling it as if they have been fired for corruption. I have my doubts.


reports that the heads of Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Sumy regions of Ukraine are resigning It is also reported that the deputy head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Kyrylo Timoshenko, fled to Israel, taking with him more than 600 million dollars.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Jesus....

England sending challenger tanks
Germany sending leopards
And now the US just committed to sending Abrams announced just today.

Hundreds of NATO main battle tanks will now be pouring into Ukraine

So now the US will be sending more himars, strikers, Bradley's, patriots and now main battle tanks. There are also rumors that the US is going to green light f-16s.

www.yahoo.com

Defense & national Security — Tanks coming after all

The Biden administration has changed its mind on tanks for Ukraine. We’ve got the details on the U.S. reversing course on the M1 Abrams battle tanks and we’ll discuss how the U.S. faced mounting press...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Medvedev also just mentioned a new great patriotic war. That's code for ww3. For those who don't know history that's what the USSR called WW2 and every Russian has learned about it in school. They're aware they lost something insane like 15% of their entire population in the war. Medvedev knows what he's doing calling this a new great patriotic war, he's preparing the civilians. He chose his words carefully and if you're a Russian your not going to say that lightly.



This is really not good. I have never been so concerned we are watching the early stages of ww3 play out before our very eyes.
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But All the kings horses and all the kings men wont put Ukraine back together again.
 
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So, Germany has decided to send Hundreds of tanks to attack Russia. Sure, they are going through Poland, by it will be the Germans that do the instruction on the Tanks. It will be the Germans that do all of the maintenance on the tanks. It will be Germany that will be sending the ammunition for the tanks.

I wonder how the Russian people will respond with this attack? I wonder home many will remember the history lessons they were taught about the last time the Germans attacked and invaded? I wonder how many will remember the stories told by their grandparents of the German military attacking?

I wonder how much more the Russians are going to step up?
 
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Putin is negotiating with Taliban on the purchase of US coalition military equipment that was left behind in Afghanistan as a result of the United States' hasty withdrawal in 2021 for use in the war against Ukraine.

No, this is NOT parody
 
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GOPerfect said:
Putin is negotiating with Taliban on the purchase of US coalition military equipment that was left behind in Afghanistan as a result of the United States' hasty withdrawal in 2021 for use in the war against Ukraine.

No, this is NOT parody
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Real life is going to put parody outlets like The Onion and the Babylon Bee out of business.
 
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Ukraine has made progress in curbing the influence of oligarchs and in setting up anti-graft institutions under the guidance of its western backers but corruption persists.
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I don't think I've laughed this hard in years!

The "western backers" are the ones who deliberately set up Ukraine to be the corruption capital of the region.
 
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Multiple Ukraine Officials Removed or Resigned as Widespread Corruption and Embarrassing Financial Graft Discovered​

While Volodymyr Zelenskyy was on tour banging his tin cup for NATO donations, apparently his top government officials were skimming the books and building an extravagant life on the backs of the U.S. taxpayers. Slava Ukraini! However, on a brutally obvious note, I mean the wife of Zelenskyy went Christmas shopping in Paris and spent over €40,000 in a few hours on ritzy Avenue Montaigne. Where did people think she got that money?

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...022/05/Pelosi-Zelenskyy-1-PCH-Sweepstakes.jpg
In an effort to stop the embarrassing revelations of internal corruption from weakening support for the inbound flows of cash from corrupt U.S. officials, the government of Zelenskyy has begun getting rid of the officials who were stealing the war money.

But hey, don’t worry, remember, President Zelenskyy decreed rules making it illegal for any political opposition to exist; so, there’s nothing to worry about – just a seating rotation of the same corrupt group.

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Several senior Ukrainian officials, including five front-line governors, lost their jobs Tuesday in a corruption scandal plaguing President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government as it grapples with the nearly 11-month-old Russian invasion.

Ukraine’s biggest government shake-up since the war began came as Poland formally requested permission from Germany to transfer a modest number of its Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine. Germany builds the high-tech armor, and Warsaw needs Berlin’s permission to send them to a non-NATO country.


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Multiple Ukraine Officials Removed or Resigned as Widespread Corruption and Embarrassing Financial Graft Discovered - The Last Refuge

President Zelenskyy decreed rules making it illegal for any political opposition to exist; so, there's nothing to worry about - just a seating rotation.
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GOPerfect said:
Putin is negotiating with Taliban on the purchase of US coalition military equipment that was left behind in Afghanistan as a result of the United States' hasty withdrawal in 2021 for use in the war against Ukraine.

No, this is NOT parody
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What does that say about the status of the russian forces that they would seek out the equipment in Afghanistan?
 
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Leopard tanks can be in ukraine in months. Abrams tanks will take a year (or three) due to the nature of the tank and the required logistical supply lines.

 
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Largest Tank Battle In History - Germany vs Soviet Union​

The Battle Of Kursk: Tank War For Russia | Greatest Tank Battles | Timeline​


Very interesting folks. The Battle of Kursk
Germans had 3000 tanks.. Soviets had 5000 tanks and a million men.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced on Wednesday that Germany would send an initial shipment of 14 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine
www.nytimes.com

Russia-Ukraine War: Germany Confirms It Will Send Leopard Tanks to Ukraine

Berlin’s announcement comes after weeks of domestic and international pressure. The U.S. is expected to announce soon that it will send its own tanks to Ukraine.
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