Things are heating up in the Donbass

[GOPerfect]

Frau Blucher/Annalena just declared war on Russia on behalf of the entire West.

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I mentioned this up a few posts, I was going to post the video once I got home.

 

[holdover]

• M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. Fuel Consumption A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel.

50 tanks x300 gallons 15,000 gallons per 8 hr

Tanks? They don't have what they need with the 100+ billion we gave them? What's next F35's?

My read is they are desperate.

15,000 gallons per 8 hours! Throw in some fuel for bradleys

For example, an armor company comprising 14 M2 Bradley fighting vehicles is conducting a one-day operation on rugged terrain. In a 24-hour period, the Bradleys are expected to be at a tactical idle for 16 hours and traverse conditions for eight hours. Expected fuel consumption at idle would be calculated in the following way: 14 × 1.4 GPH × 16 = ~314 gallons Expected fuel consumption during operations on rugged terrain is calculated like this: 14 × 18 GPH × 8 = 2,016 gallons Next, we add the products to find the total amount of fuel required. ~314 gallons + 2,016 gallons = ~2,330 gallons

 

[GOPerfect]

Frau Blucher/Annalena just declared war on Russia on behalf of the entire West.

Contact information for German embassy-consulate.

Appointments, Hours & Contact,

We kindly ask for your understanding for increased waiting times for appointments with the Legal and Consular Section as we cannot offer the usual service and ask for your understanding. Please refrain from non urgent inquiries.

www.germany.info

 

[holdover]

I'm still not sure what Russia ever thought they would gain from this, so I don’t know what they think "winning" would look like.

Honestly, I believe they seriously miscalculated the situation. Im pretty sure they expected the Ukraine army and the people to jump in on their side and it would be a cake walk like Czechoslovakia . a few days of sporadic fighting and its over .

they expected a beer run .

 

[holdover]

Oh boy, somebody is getting an ass chewing

 

[holdover]

Agree for the most part. We're all just spitballing. Time will tell.

Now that is an accurate statement.

 

[Mosinitis]

I mentioned this up a few posts, I was going to post the video once I got home.

I think Germany needs a litle guidance. They have a tendancy to overdo. I am going to write to them tomorrow. Can't hurt. Last time German tanks rolled into Ukraine, they killed half of my family. Our family name is listed in the Holocaust museum in Washington.

 

[GOPerfect]

• M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. Fuel Consumption A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel.

50 tanks x300 gallons 15,000 gallons per 8 hr


My read is they are desperate.

15,000 gallons per 8 hours! Throw in some fuel for bradleys

For example, an armor company comprising 14 M2 Bradley fighting vehicles is conducting a one-day operation on rugged terrain. In a 24-hour period, the Bradleys are expected to be at a tactical idle for 16 hours and traverse conditions for eight hours. Expected fuel consumption at idle would be calculated in the following way: 14 × 1.4 GPH × 16 = ~314 gallons Expected fuel consumption during operations on rugged terrain is calculated like this: 14 × 18 GPH × 8 = 2,016 gallons Next, we add the products to find the total amount of fuel required. ~314 gallons + 2,016 gallons = ~2,330 gallons

Most people have no idea about all the logistics in a tank operation like this.

The last time I went the NTC (National Training Center) was in 2001. It was a decent sized training operation. In 27 days, more than 1.5 million gallons of fuel was used. That is just in a training mode. Fuel usage is much higher in a real world situation.

 

[Defilade]

• M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. Fuel Consumption A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel.

50 tanks x300 gallons 15,000 gallons per 8 hr


My read is they are desperate.

15,000 gallons per 8 hours! Throw in some fuel for bradleys

For example, an armor company comprising 14 M2 Bradley fighting vehicles is conducting a one-day operation on rugged terrain. In a 24-hour period, the Bradleys are expected to be at a tactical idle for 16 hours and traverse conditions for eight hours. Expected fuel consumption at idle would be calculated in the following way: 14 × 1.4 GPH × 16 = ~314 gallons Expected fuel consumption during operations on rugged terrain is calculated like this: 14 × 18 GPH × 8 = 2,016 gallons Next, we add the products to find the total amount of fuel required. ~314 gallons + 2,016 gallons = ~2,330 gallons

Lol... Not exactly Green so to say.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Tanks? They don't have what they need with the 100+ billion we gave them? What's next F35's?

No f-16s and Apaches are though.

100%. Lock it in.

 

[holdover]

No f-16s and Apaches are though.

100%. Lock it in.

Even if they do, they cant run them out of Ukraine. they have to come from Poland which gives the Russians a hell of lead time.

 

[spat]

Honestly, I believe they seriously miscalculated the situation. Im pretty sure they expected the Ukraine army and the people to jump in on their side and it would be a cake walk like Czechoslovakia . a few days of sporadic fighting and its over .

they expected a beer run .

I think you're right.

The question is, did they make that mistake all on their own, or were they led there like Saddam was..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I think you're right.

The question is, did they make that mistake all on their own, or were they led there like Saddam was..

I think they largely expected to make significant gains with minimal resistance and even some support from locals. Their initial attempt to storm kyiv is proof that was their strategy it wasn't a feint. They had plane loads of paratroopers shot down over kyiv for crying out loud.

IMO if it wasn't for a massive delivery of NATO stingers, javelins, panzerfausts etc that Ukraine would have gotten pushed back and would have been demoralized and in disarray. The ridiculous amount of man portable AT and AA decimated the Russian strategy and supply lines. The Russians were suffering far heavier losses than expected and their supply lines collapsed. They had no choice but to withdraw regroup, refit and mobilize additional forces. Now we are here with probably 100x more deaths and destruction and we're on the verge of ww3.

And in relation to my post I am sympathetic to the Ukrainian people. I really am.

 

[GOPerfect]

I believe the real war is getting ready to begin.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I believe the real war is getting ready to begin.

I posted earlier in the thread 7 b52s were spotted leaving conus flying in formation east towards Europe..

Off the top of my head just the past month if I'm recalling correctly the US has committed to giving Ukraine

30ish Abrams
A patriot battery or 3
About 100 strykers
About 50 bradleys
About 50 mraps
About 50 humvees
More himars and Ionger range rockets

I'm sure they're also shipping lots of more logistical replenishment munitions as well.

That's what I can recall just from the past month and that's just the US.

We are equipping the Ukrainians to be our proxy army.

We're probably just a month away from hearing about f16s and Apaches being gifted too.



Reports are coming in of very unusual military movements. Trains full of armor heading to the coast. Etc very ominous developments all happening. I watch this YouTube channel and it's great, I'll give it a recommend.


And this channel

https://m.youtube.com/@ForwardObserver/videos

The 101st deployment just got extended and is now larger

U.S. Extends Troop Deployment in Romania, at Ukraine War’s Doorstep (Published 2023)

The buildup is part of President Biden’s commitment to increase American forces in Europe in response to the Russian invasion last February.

www.nytimes.com

Every day the little breadcrumbs are right there in full sight for everyone to pick-up the indicators and clues.

We're a ball hair away from getting dragged into this war. I do not want American blood spilled because of greedy evil power hungry sociopaths. In ww3 the American homeland will not be spared. Our enemies can reach across the ocean with missiles, planes, electrons, sleeper cells, and computer codes.


What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc

 

[holdover]

I think you're right.

The question is, did they make that mistake all on their own, or were they led there like Saddam was..

Considering that they overthrew the Ukrainian government, then armed them to the teeth for the last eight years , then crossed a well known, well established, red line, outlined in the Maiden agreement which would knowingly lead to war , Useing Ukraine as a money laundering operation and conducting illegal bio lab experiments in which they knew all evidence would be destroyed, I lean toward the ""lead to war"" theory.

The why is because Russia did not want to give up her sovereignty to join the brotherhood of globalism

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Considering that they overthrew the Ukrainian government, then armed them to the teeth for the last eight years , then crossed a well known, well established, red line, outlined in the Maiden agreement which would knowingly lead to war , Useing Ukraine as a money laundering operation and conducting illegal bio lab experiments in which they knew all evidence would be destroyed, I lean toward the ""lead to war"" theory.

The why is because Russia did not want to give up her sovereignty to join the brotherhood of globalism

I think it's every bit as much about maintaining sovereignty as it is a buffer for an ever incrementally closing in NATO.

If the Warsaw pact was taking over Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, central America and was moving up towards Mexico, what do you think the US would do? We would probably invade Mexico to get it first to give us a buffer zone.

 

[spat]

I think it's every bit as much about maintaining sovereignty as it is a buffer for an ever incrementally closing in NATO.

If the Warsaw pact was taking over Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, central America and was moving up towards Mexico, what do you think the US would do? We would probably invade Mexico to get it first to give us a buffer zone.

We would not invade Mexico.

We are not stupid enough to want to occupy Mexico. That would just be a massive money pit.


If Russia were successful in occupying Ukraine at this point it would bankrupt them.

 

[holdover]

I posted earlier in the thread 7 b52s were spotted leaving conus flying in formation east towards Europe..

Off the top of my head just the past month if I'm recalling correctly the US has committed to giving Ukraine

30ish Abrams
A patriot battery or 3
About 100 strykers
About 50 bradleys
About 50 mraps
About 50 humvees
More himars and Ionger range rockets

I'm sure they're also shipping lots of more logistical replenishment munitions as well.

That's what I can recall just from the past month and that's just the US.

We are equipping the Ukrainians to be our proxy army.

We're probably just a month away from hearing about f16s and Apaches being gifted too.



Reports are coming in of very unusual military movements. Trains full of armor heading to the coast. Etc very ominous developments all happening. I watch this YouTube channel and it's great, I'll give it a recommend.


And this channel

https://m.youtube.com/@ForwardObserver/videos

The 101st deployment just got extended and is now larger

U.S. Extends Troop Deployment in Romania, at Ukraine War’s Doorstep (Published 2023)

The buildup is part of President Biden’s commitment to increase American forces in Europe in response to the Russian invasion last February.

www.nytimes.com

Every day the little breadcrumbs are right there in full sight for everyone to pick-up the indicators and clues.

We're a ball hair away from getting dragged into this war. I do not want American blood spilled because of greedy evil power hungry sociopaths. In ww3 the American homeland will not be spared. Our enemies can reach across the ocean with missiles, planes, electrons, sleeper cells, and computer codes.


What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc

the writing is on the wall. the Ukraine is slowly crumbling , NATO is probably going to step in at some point.

Its really a beautiful cover story for a build up of military equipment without anyone asking questions

I dont believe Russia will use nukes unless her territory is under attack and she is losing . If she knows she cant win then shes taking everybody with her.

the Russians claim 3000 tanks destroyed, if its anywhere close to being true, the Ukrainians are out of tanks or close to it. thats why she is begging the west for heavy tanks , She doesn't have enough for an offensive.

However those modern tanks are going to be met with a sky full of drones and heavy artillery land mines, and kornet antitank missiles. there will be losses unless NATO goes all in. The Russians will make them a special project.

 

[holdover]

I think it's every bit as much about maintaining sovereignty as it is a buffer for an ever incrementally closing in NATO.

If the Warsaw pact was taking over Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, central America and was moving up towards Mexico, what do you think the US would do? We would probably invade Mexico to get it first to give us a buffer zone.

yup

 

[spat]

the writing is on the wall. the Ukraine is slowly crumbling , NATO is probably going to step in at some point.

Its really a beautiful cover story for a build up of military equipment without anyone asking questions

I dont believe Russia will use nukes unless her territory is under attack and she is losing . If she knows she cant win then shes taking everybody with her.

the Russians claim 3000 tanks destroyed, if its anywhere close to being true, the Ukrainians are out of tanks or close to it. thats why she is begging the west for heavy tanks , She doesn't have enough for an offensive.

However those modern tanks are going to be met with a sky full of drones and heavy artillery land mines, and kornet antitank missiles. there will be losses unless NATO goes all in

NATO is being very careful not to let Ukraine get too much offensive capability.

They're all about giving Ukraine the ability to grind the Russian military into dust on their territory, but they do not want them attacking into Russia at all.

This is classic western stupidity, it's what lost us every war we've ever lost.

Either you fight to win, or you do not fight.

We fought to stalemate in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan and look what happened. We fight until we get bored, because we refuse to win.

 

[holdover]

NATO is being very careful not to let Ukraine get too much offensive capability.

They're all about giving Ukraine the ability to grind the Russian military into dust on their territory, but they do not want them attacking into Russia at all.

This is classic western stupidity, it's what lost us every war we've ever lost.

Either you fight to win, or you do not fight.

We fought to stalemate in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan and look what happened. We fight until we get bored, because we refuse to win.

Theres truth to what your saying, given the opportunity, The Ukrainians would want some payback , they cant be trusted to follow the plan.

 

[holdover]

What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc

#metoo

 

[Saltwater60]

I think Germany needs a litle guidance. They have a tendancy to overdo. I am going to write to them tomorrow. Can't hurt. Last time German tanks rolled into Ukraine, they killed half of my family. Our family name is listed in the Holocaust museum in Washington.

No shit. That’s messed up man. Cool fact but seriously messed up. My wife’s aunts mom had the numbers tattooed on her from her stay at a camp. I never met her but I sure wish I had. The people that lived through that amaze me and I can’t believe they don’t hold more hate for the Germans.

 

[Saltwater60]

I don’t get the tank move. Why now? I guess it will take months to train them on our tanks but the German ones are easier to use? I don’t know but it just amazes me

 

[holdover]

This guy knows a lot about the Abrahams tank

comments:

Every time this guy calls our tanks “Abrahams,” Britain has to donate another Challenger

and 50 German Leper tanks

 

[holdover]

I don’t get the tank move. Why now? I guess it will take months to train them on our tanks but the German ones are easier to use? I don’t know but it just amazes me

Its because they're fucked.

 

[GOPerfect]

I posted earlier in the thread 7 b52s were spotted leaving conus flying in formation east towards Europe..

Off the top of my head just the past month if I'm recalling correctly the US has committed to giving Ukraine

30ish Abrams
A patriot battery or 3
About 100 strykers
About 50 bradleys
About 50 mraps
About 50 humvees
More himars and Ionger range rockets

I'm sure they're also shipping lots of more logistical replenishment munitions as well.

That's what I can recall just from the past month and that's just the US.

We are equipping the Ukrainians to be our proxy army.

We're probably just a month away from hearing about f16s and Apaches being gifted too.



Reports are coming in of very unusual military movements. Trains full of armor heading to the coast. Etc very ominous developments all happening. I watch this YouTube channel and it's great, I'll give it a recommend.


And this channel

https://m.youtube.com/@ForwardObserver/videos

The 101st deployment just got extended and is now larger

U.S. Extends Troop Deployment in Romania, at Ukraine War’s Doorstep (Published 2023)

The buildup is part of President Biden’s commitment to increase American forces in Europe in response to the Russian invasion last February.

www.nytimes.com

Every day the little breadcrumbs are right there in full sight for everyone to pick-up the indicators and clues.

We're a ball hair away from getting dragged into this war. I do not want American blood spilled because of greedy evil power hungry sociopaths. In ww3 the American homeland will not be spared. Our enemies can reach across the ocean with missiles, planes, electrons, sleeper cells, and computer codes.


What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc

And due to the Russian doctrine, I do not think this will make much difference.

 

[tirwin1]

Theres truth to what your saying, given the opportunity, The Ukrainians would want some payback , they cant be trusted to follow the plan.

We won't provide the intelligence or support for that. Our government wants to degrade the military capacity of Russia and we'll sacrifice as many Ukrainian lives as possible to accomplish this. Hell the ghouls in Washington probably won't mind if both armies are effectively destroyed as a result.

 

[spat]

We won't provide the intelligence or support for that. Our government wants to degrade the military capacity of Russia and we'll sacrifice as many Ukrainian lives as possible to accomplish this. Hell the ghouls in Washington probably won't mind if both armies are effectively destroyed as a result.

The more damage that happens to Ukraine, the more they can skim off the rebuilding contracts.

They are not remotely concerned about the Ukranians. They are a means to an end for the DC crowd, that is all.