Things are heating up in the Donbass

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yea, I think it's likely that Europe would fully re-arm and they would conquer Russia if that fight happened.

But I think we don't want them speaking German in Moscow any more than we want them speaking Russian in Berlin and Paris.

And we really *really* don't want the Chinese to come in after both sides are weakened from that fight and take the whole continent.

Which is why I am in favor of a peace agreement now.

 

[spat]

Which is why I am in favor of a peace agreement now.

I think everyone is in favor of a peace agreement now.

What they disagree about are what terms would be acceptable.

 

[holdover]

There will be no agreement, or one that heavily favors Russia. this is just theater, Putin will delay consider, counter ect. He's buying time , Trump is going to talk to him today, Most likely he will yes yes him and then back out at the last minute because of something, Hes going to stall Trump .

 

[spat]

There will be no agreement, or one that heavily favors Russia. this is just theater, Putin will delay consider, counter ect. He's buying time , Trump is going to talk to him today, Most likely he will yes yes him and then back out at the last minute because of something, Hes going to stall Trump .

How long do you think Trump will put up with that ?

Right now Trump is pissed at Zelensky for his shenanigans, and that is very much to Putin's advantage.

But if Trump decides that Putin is yanking his chain as you suggest, then I think that will go very badly for Putin.

 

[holdover]

How long do you think Trump will put up with that ?

Right now Trump is pissed at Zelensky for his shenanigans, and that is very much to Putin's advantage.

But if Trump decides that Putin is yanking his chain as you suggest, then I think that will go very badly for Putin.

How so?

 

[spat]

How so?

Trump is likely to switch his support and will be more favorable to Ukraine in any negotiations.

You forget that neither Zelensky nor Putin are in charge here. They are both already all in on this war. Neither of them have the ability to escalate anything any further, short of Russia going full nuclear.

 

[fresch]

Hahaha,
I told you after Russia gets to the farm and minerals they want and the U.S.A. gets their cut the war will end; with the death of zelensky .

 

[Robin]

I'm not so sure that applies anymore in 2025 with intercontinental missiles and bombers, cyber attacks, stealth, etc.

Even if somehow Russia subjegated all of Europe why would we necessarily "have to do something"?

Based on modern technology there is nearly instant global reach. This isn't the 1910s or 1930/40s anymore. We don't need to be in Europe to deter Russia. I don't want to be. I'm not willing to risk a million American boys fighting a war that some assholes started that we can and should sit out.

Russia isn't our enemy. They can't invade us.

We need to worry about China.

And so does Russia.
Robin

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

And so does Russia.
Robin

And so does everyone in Ukraine not profiting from the war.

Their country is in shambles and has lost a generation of men.

This needs to stop. They need to be pragmatic.

I don't need to see any more men who are being kidnapped by their own government who are fathers, husbands, sons and uncles that matter to their families being kidnapped off the street, beaten, stuffed into vans and sent off to die or be maimed.

 

[fresch]

And so does everyone in Ukraine not profiting from the war.

Their country is in shambles and has lost a generation of men.

This needs to stop. They need to be pragmatic.

I don't need to see any more men who are being kidnapped by their own government who are fathers, husbands, sons and uncles that matter to their families being kidnapped off the street, beaten, stuffed into vans and sent off to die or be maimed.

Kinda what Vietnam was for us growing up in the 60s n 70s.

 

[Mosinitis]

The famous Ukrainian neo-Nazi Demyan Ganul was killed in Odessa**: EADaily

EADaily, March 14th, 2025. A well-known Ukrainian neo-Nazi Demyan Ganul **, who was one of the organizers of the arson of the House of Trade Unions on May 2, 2014, was killed in Odessa.

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Update: His killer was Ukrainian Army Lieutenant. Apparently Damyan Ganul was collecting money on social media to buy a pick up truck to donate to a specific military unit. As it already happened in the past he pocketed the money and the vehicle was never delivered to the front line. The military unit sent this Lieutenant to find out what happened to their truck. An argument ensued and Lieutenant was kidnaped and roughed up by Ganul and his friends. He spent some time recovering in the hospital and as an act of vengeance shot Damyan Ganul in the middle of the city, in broad daylight and walked away with a handguns in his hand, not even trying to hide his identity.

Ganul was probably the most hated man in Odessa by all sides. He also made money by catching draft evaders and if they didn't have money to buy their way out, he would deliver them to military conscription centers.

He got his start on Maidan. Paid for and molded by U.S. government. He was also involved in burning alive of close to 50 anti-Maidan protesters in Odessa. What a guy.

 

[holdover]

Trump is likely to switch his support and will be more favorable to Ukraine in any negotiations.

You forget that neither Zelensky nor Putin are in charge here. They are both already all in on this war. Neither of them have the ability to escalate anything any further, short of Russia going full nuclear.

You really think Putin has no say in this? If Putin wasnt in charge Trump wouldnt ask him for a truce.

The core of the Ukraine army is gone, theres no real experienced leaders Thier NCO's are wiped out , they are basically little more than a militia .Theres no trained people ready to use the weapons we send them . I told you Putin was going to play Trump for time, thats exactly what he did today. He's going to negotiate with Trump until Ukraine collapses.

Napoleon once said territory I can recover, but time I cannot . Trump just gave Putin exactly what Putin needed, time.

 

[holdover]

Hahaha,
I told you after Russia gets to the farm and minerals they want and the U.S.A. gets their cut the war will end; with the death of zelensky .

It aint over till the fat lady sings , Russia will take it all .

 

[Mosinitis]

It aint over till the fat lady sings , Russia will take it all .

I don't know if they want all of the territory, but Russia will not accept a hostile anti-Russian state on its historic territory populated by their own ethnos.

 

[Robin]

Russia will be our strongest ally in the fight against China. The rest is immaterial.
Robin

 

[fresch]

It aint over till the fat lady sings , Russia will take it all .

The U.S.A. will get a cut.
We will be in the area as a buffer.

 

[holdover]

I don't know if they want all of the territory, but Russia will not accept a hostile anti-Russian state on its historic territory populated by their own ethnos.

All that that they want, I meant, probably to the Dniper river

 

[holdover]

The U.S.A. will get a cut.
We will be in the area as a buffer.

I dont see it happening. The Russians see Ukraine as traditional Russian land , so they are not going to fight for it then just give it to the US to exploit. They may cut them in on the deal if the US finances the operation, but Hand over Russian lands to the US , LOL never. They would grow potatoes first.

 

[fresch]

Russia will be our strongest ally in the fight against China. The rest is immaterial.
Robin

I wouldn't count out Russia becoming the new chi-na as far as manufacturing goes.

 

[holdover]

I wouldn't count out Russia becoming the new chi-na as far as manufacturing goes.

If Trump gets his way, the US will be manufacturing again.

 

[fresch]

True, but the rooskies need their economy boosted after this winloss.
I can see where mainly the eu would be used as a chip in the U.S. deal to end the war.
After all the eu hates the U.S. too, probably more than they do the Russians.