Cleck
.308 Win
Maybe mentioned this in my op or not, but that's what I was trying to do now and what I was doing while I was doing the wall drill
Sorry, phone got stolen, I'm in Rochester
Think I narrowed down my shooting issues - grip help needed
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Maybe mentioned this in my op or not, but that's what I was trying to do now and what I was doing while I was doing the wall drill
Sorry, phone got stolen, I'm in Rochester
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
I’d be happy to help you out. You know of any places open locally? I gave up my membership at Brooks a few years back, when they screwed the members who used the pistol and rifle ranges.
Shoot me a PM if you want to set something up.
Pie chart is trash
If getting to an Onsight class is out of the question I'd suggest even spending a few bucks and so a one on one class with one of the instructors from Rochester Personal Defense
Cleck
.308 Win
I'm friends w/ Dave Jenkins (owner) on FB, I'll hit him up. I was supposed to continue the ccw class we did last year, but this may be a better spend of my money
Um sorry but mechanics dont go out the window..... what are you saying?? If mechanics go out the window when shooting faster or transitioning or whatever then you dont have any standards and probably shouldn't be telling people that blasting away is acceptable.
Big fan of the death grip on the gun. Grip the gun as tight as possible. I'll even drop the elbows a bit to close up that gap in the back of the grip.....
50/50 same grip pressure both sides.
Or try this....
Present the gun on target, grip the pistol loosely. Tighten the shooting hand, watch the front sight move in that direction. Loosen the grip, tighten the support hand, watch the front sight move in that direction.
loosen the grip,..at the same time apply equal pressure with both hands to the gun,...watch the front sight not move.
it's like voodoo or something.
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Cleck
.308 Win
Big fan of the death grip on the gun. Grip the gun as tight as possible. I'll even drop the elbows a bit to close up that gap in the back of the grip.....
50/50 same grip pressure both sides.
Or try this....
Present the gun on target, grip the pistol loosely. Tighten the shooting hand, watch the front sight move in that direction. Loosen the grip, tighten the support hand, watch the front sight move in that direction.
loosen the grip,..at the same time apply equal pressure with both hands to the gun,...watch the front sight not move.
it's like voodoo or something.
I messaged Dave and talked to him, said I'd rather setup a 1 on 1 instead of coming out to shoot class tonight. He said come out anyways and we'll put one of the instructors on you. I may have to do that. I'll ask about the death grip, more than 1 time that's been mentioned here.
Your mention of tighten both at the same time is maybe what I did other night when I was doing the wall drill by myself. Maybe I thought I was only tightening the support hand and was actually tightening both instead. We'll see I guess, thanks!
The idea is to use BOTH hands equally in gripping the gun. The 60/40 - 70/30 myth is some NRA 1974 technique that I can easily debunk with anyone in a class. You want equal pressure both side of the gun. You have two hands, why not use them both to the best of your ability?
Cleck
.308 Win
I guess I better switch and strengthen my weak/off hand now
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m saying that a slight adjustment makes all the difference whether you hit small what you want to hit now with your natural grip. Nothing more, nothing less.
You should be practicing two hand, shooting side hand, and support side hand shooting.
So you didnt say when rapid firing, mechanics go out the window? Just trying to be clear in what I did or thought I read
Cleck
.308 Win
That's not what I meant, but yes, I agree. That has been the nice thing about this CCW class. We were doing all that stuff, they had some really good drills
Oddly, shooting with one hand (either isde0 will actually help with your two handed grip and your understanding of what needs to happen to be able to establish a proper solid two handed grip.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m not sure what kind of argument you are looking for but the ability to adjust sights are there for a reason. If they weren’t there, you’d be forced to learn to shoot on fixed, zeroed out sights like on a stock 1911 and in the meantime not hit what you want to hit.
Not adjusting to a happy medium to allow you to be accurate at both slow and rapid fire is foolish in my opinion. You want to be able to hit where you want now. Correct? If during your training and practice things change, then you readjust them. To continue to be an inch or more to the left now out of pure stubbornness in not adjusting your sights is not only foolish, but dangerous.
If your sights are in during slow fire but "off" during rapid fire it's not the sights its the shooter and lack of fundamentals and shooting mechanics
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You do not keep your pistol’s red dot centered right outside of the box and try to conform to the factory zero to shoot it do you?
This is correct.
Form the grip, find the sights, place the sights where they should be, take up the slack in the trigger, reconfirm sights, press trigger (not pull or squeeze, but "press"). If you don't see the sights where they should be, you shouldn't be pressing the trigger. It's simple.
Probably not the best analogy but just like driving at night on a dark road, high beams on if you are getting further down road than what you can see with the lights you are driving to fast and slow down .
Difference being with shooting you can practice and train to pick that sight up faster (and use proper fundamentals to mitigate recoil) and track it faster which then means you can work on speeding up your shooting
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You know what I’m saying. When you buy a red dot and mount it on your pistol, you don’t keep the factory zero on there and conform to try to shoot to that factory zero. You zero the red dot no? You move it close to wear your irons are. No?
So if that can be adjusted, why not irons? Do you adjust your Irons on a rife or do you keep them centered and learn to shoot to that center? Look. We aren’t talking about foot long adjustments at 25 yards. We are talking inches here. The rear sight adjustment is hairs. Not inches to the left or right.
Yea and I zero it from a rest (my dot is zeroed independent of my irons) slow shooting..
If I then start shooting rapid fire or whatever and it's now shooting low left or high right or whatever I dont fuck with the zero because it's not the sight it's me and my shooting
If I then start shooting rapid fire or whatever and it's now shooting low left or high right or whatever I dont fuck with the zero because it's not the sight it's me and my shooting
Cleck
.308 Win
Funny, we did an off-hand shoot and we couldn't switch back until we recorded 5 head shots. I think it took me 6 shots to do it. Maybe because I was taking my time, who knows, but it felt good, lol.
The simplest way to solve this is free no cost just proven skill building exercise. Dry fire at home aim weapon in a safe direction UNLOADED AND AMMO NO WHERE AROUND. When dry firing focus on front site while squeezing trigger focus front site on a target or spot. When you can squeeze the trigger and the front site never moves during your drill then go shoot and do the same thing.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And that’s the beauty of freedom. You do you and others do them.
For me if I’m on when slow and an inch to the left at 10 yards when rapid firing, I will correct so that I’m not an inch left when rapid firing. Why? Because when shit goes down, I’m not going to be firing slow. Sure I can learn to shoot straight fast but in the meantime, I’m off when it counts. I’m a defensive shooter. Not a paper target shooter. If I get better and notice a shift with practice, I will readjust accordingly.
So you adjust your sight to cover up you bad mechanics? WTF?