Traffic Stop While CCW !

[masterswimmer]

Ummm....if they pull you over, aren't you "suspected of committing a crime"...like: speeding, driving with defective signaling equipment, etc?

Big difference between vehicle and traffic law vs penal law.

 

[S&W Fan]

Ny cops cannot ask you if you are armed during a routine traffic stop if you aren't suspected of committing a crime.

Cops Can't Just Ask Motorists About Guns: NY Court

If asked that as first question when encountering a stop, the officer (in NY) would be violating your Rights...

Please be aware, that even with the knowledge of you having a firearm permit, this does not change court rulings which explicitly state you may not be stopped just on the basis of possessing a weapon. And absent a lawful duty to inform, I'm not sure I'd even answer the question, in all probability depending upon how its asked!

Yes, I am perfectly aware of this , but since when has that stopped them?

 

[GOYABEAN]

did i read that right .. the Troopers partner took the gun apart ... and couldn't get it back together .. full tear down or omg removed just the magazine LOL ..
if that is the case of full tear down i would have said no i just got it last week , I'll meet you at the LGS and they can put it together on your dime .. WTF ..

Removed slide sprin upper and barrel ! If story is true what would have happened if he was carrying a revolver ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ummm....if they pull you over, aren't you "suspected of committing a crime"...like: speeding, driving with defective signaling equipment, etc?

No. You are pulled over for a traffic violation which isn't a crime.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes, I am perfectly aware of this , but since when has that stopped them?

Most don't. I've never been asked. But like I said before, if asked I would still say no or not say anything depending on the situation. If asked to step out of the vehicle, then I'll have to inform with the cookie cutter phrase than I'm officially informing him, where it's located, and ask him how he'd want me to proceed all by keeping my hands where he can see them.

After that you'll have to explain why he asked me to a court if I'm arrested.

 

[freddy]

Disagree. And @Edwardteach72 just addressed this on another thread.

Is this it?

"So a little while back 3 weeks I believe, the Yankee marshal (who I'm 50/50 on, since he is part satire, part speaks the truth and is extremely pro 2a, part fud [thinks anyone who carries appendix is an idiot and will shoot their dick off and says how unsafe it is but will then talk about the serpa holster that he uses) did a video that outlines the "packages" iraqv888888ii888888 offers to manufactures with a cost breakdown of what they get in the video"​

When I run that through my requisite Edwardteach72 translator it suggests he is calling the SERPA unsafe.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Is this it?

"So a little while back 3 weeks I believe, the Yankee marshal (who I'm 50/50 on, since he is part satire, part speaks the truth and is extremely pro 2a, part fud [thinks anyone who carries appendix is an idiot and will shoot their dick off and says how unsafe it is but will then talk about the serpa holster that he uses) did a video that outlines the "packages" iraqv888888ii888888 offers to manufactures with a cost breakdown of what they get in the video"​

When I run that through my requisite Edwardteach72 translator it suggests he is calling the SERPA unsafe.

EdwardTeach isn' suggesting it, just about every single major training instructor and facility is "suggesting" it

 

[Phazer]

No. You are pulled over for a traffic violation which isn't a crime.

Really? I had no idea. Interesting.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Edwardteach is the opposite of a Fudd.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Really? I had no idea. Interesting.

It's technically a crime but not treated as such where they have to search you because they are taking you in.

Maybe someone else can chime in. Generally you are just ticketed for the offense and that's it.

 

[freddy]

EdwardTeach isn' suggesting it, just about every single major training instructor and facility is "suggesting" it

That's what I thought. So, what is Darth talking about?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Darth is merely saying that Edward is just a teacher.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

One of the members from PA gun forums posted he recently was pulled over by PA State Police said he pulled over turned off van rolled window down put both hands on stearing wheel and waited for troopers one of them went by passenger side door other trooper asked for license and registration insurance! He informed officer that his wallet was in his left side pocket and that he was also carrying on left hip ! Trooper thanked him for telling him and told that he wanted him to stay still while he opened van door and removed weapon which he did along with the documents and telling him he pulled him over because one taillight was out ! Trooper ran information came back after a few minutes later and gave him a warning to repair taillight along with his documents but not his firearm his partner had it by passenger side apparently the trooper told him his partner had disassemble it ? And wanted to know if he knew how to reassemble it and that his partner was going to pShe it on passenger seat!
Has anyone ever heard of this being done this is the first I've heard of this happening even in land let along in PA what you guy's think he's been hitting it a little much oh it was a Glock

Got stopped by Oswego County Sheriff deputy once while CCW (was actually open carry on hip holster lol). Told him up front I was carrying and had unrestricted CCW. Asked to see my permit and handgun. Told him careful it's loaded. Checked the weapon/serial no. against my permit info. Gave all back to me. No ticket issued. Have a great day.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Darth is merely saying that Edward is just a teacher.

I also consider myself a student as we should always want to keep leaning. Otherwise we could be one of those who think a 1911 is a good gun

 

[Marine Cpl]

I also consider myself a student as we should always want to keep leaning. Otherwise we could be one of those who think a 1911 is a good gun

I try to learn as much as i can too. Maybe the mods should change my name to William Learner.

Some people don't want to learn. These are the guys that carry. 45's in a 3 inch barrel and never gave the barrel length or ammo for it any thought when they purchased it. And when you post about the failures to expand, decreased barrier penetration, ect, they get mad at you or joke around and say that they'll worry about it when a block of jello attacks them or some other such nonsense.

So in short. The 1911 sucks and the .45 sucks. I'm a learner because i used to carry both and don't anymore.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

It's technically a crime but not treated as such where they have to search you because they are taking you in.

Maybe someone else can chime in. Generally you are just ticketed for the offense and that's it.

In New York, many traffic offenses (and other offenses) are 'violations' for which an appearance ticket is issued. More serious offenses (misdemeanors) are arrest offenses.

It's technically a crime but not treated as such where they have to search you because they are taking you in.

Maybe someone else can chime in. Generally you are just ticketed for the offense and that's it.

 

[libertysnake]

I've known Tex since before he added 2 new holes to his body and appeared on Tosh. O and he's always been a bit...different.

“Special”

 

[GOPerfect]

It's technically a crime but not treated as such where they have to search you because they are taking you in.

Maybe someone else can chime in. Generally you are just ticketed for the offense and that's it.

In all seriousness, it depends on the V&T code. (Violation of some of the V&T is breaking the law.)

 

[Deplorable Me]

 

[Deplorable Me]

 

[Saltwater60]

Well, it all is a violation. I'm just wondering if officers actually have the ability to demand it, beyond me complying because I don't want to have to go through a court case just to get my license back.

If you have a gun on you and they know it I don’t think it’s best to argue with them if they want to disarm you at that time. It would put them on high alert and likely cause a struggle. Don’t tell them or tell them and be prepared for them to want to lock it in their vehicle. I likely will not be telling them.

 

[Criticalt]

Dang, all you miscreants!!!
Ive been driving for 30 years and have been pulled over once when I was 18 years old.
Shape up out there

 

[Airborneguy]

That'll be the "founded suspicion" they need to start asking the questions.

Founded suspicion of criminality afoot.

Don’t leave off words to whip up the intended fervor. Let’s stick to the facts.

 

[Airborneguy]

Ummm....if they pull you over, aren't you "suspected of committing a crime"...like: speeding, driving with defective signaling equipment, etc?

Violations are not crimes.

 

[Bob]

Founded suspicion of criminality afoot.

Don’t leave off words to whip up the intended fervor. Let’s stick to the facts.

"Criminality afoot" was not mentioned in the decision.

 

[Airborneguy]

Founded suspicion is a legal term arising from previous court decisions. For a cop to be at founded suspicion, an articulable crime must be happening, have happened, or about to happen.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Founded suspicion is a legal term arising from previous court decisions. For a cop to be at founded suspicion, an articulable crime must be happening, have happened, or about to happen.

Didn't you just post and internet link on the internet designed for people to learn?

That's what an internet discussion is for no? To learn rather than insulting them and calling them internet attorneys?

Your link from the internet is helpful. It wouldn't have come to light if it were not for others discussing the situation.

 

[Airborneguy]

Discussion is great. Jumping to unfounded conclusions because they fit the preferred narrative is not.

The whole thing we keep hearing about linking pistol permits to licenses plates, DL’s, etc is fear mongering. A cop can run a person for a gun license now, it’s been that way as long as I have been a cop. I know of the one weird case in Maryland where this supposedly became an issue, but have you ever heard of another case where that happened and became a problem?

Fyi, I’m trying to find the correct decision I meant to post. I posted the wrong one initially.

 

[Bob]

Looking at things with a suspicious eye is neither fearmongering nor advancing a preferred narrative. This state has a century-long history of being extremely hostile to gun owners, and there is no reason to believe that any initiative put forth by the state is intended to work in our favor.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Discussion is great. Jumping to unfounded conclusions because they fit the preferred narrative is not.

The whole thing we keep hearing about linking pistol permits to licenses plates, DL’s, etc is fear mongering. A cop can run a person for a gun license now, it’s been that way as long as I have been a cop. I know of the one weird case in Maryland where this supposedly became an issue, but have you ever heard of another case where that happened and became a problem?

Fyi, I’m trying to find the correct decision I meant to post. I posted the wrong one initially.

I hear you. I cringe sometimes at what some think. But we talk about it sometimes minds get changed or they don't.