Saltwater60
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Trump electric vehicle attacks hit home for Michigan voters — BBC News
Trump’s EV criticism is part of his broader economic message as he tries to appeal to voters in the key swing state.
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Trump finally did something smart, attacking EVs and the jobs it will cost the UAW
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Carlos Hathcock
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Musk should love this.
ManualF150
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I want more diesel powered vehicles on the road.
Bigfoot
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Trump does a lot of smart things. Just because he has a bad habit of stepping on his own dick doesn't negate that.
EVs have their place, but it's not rammed down our throats. I think Musk recognizes that. Tesla has had a decent market share even before EV mandates went into effect.
This may even benefit Musk by preventing over-crowding of the EV market.
The major auto makers have so much more R&D invested in the ICE tech and a much better ROI in that sector than jumping off 100% into the EV industry and having to recapture new R&D costs, infrastructure costs and build in new efficiencies. It's hard to imagine all will remain competitive long term. I think they'd prefer to continue to produce cars as they have been and let market demand dictate the move to EVs instead of politicians.
Think about the decades of research, development, patents and tooling, the legacy of it all that these green agenda fucks are laying to waste.
And why? this is more about creating a greater *need* for money to flow so the money-changers can make more money on money. It sure as hell isn't about saving the world.
This may even benefit Musk by preventing over-crowding of the EV market.
The major auto makers have so much more R&D invested in the ICE tech and a much better ROI in that sector than jumping off 100% into the EV industry and having to recapture new R&D costs, infrastructure costs and build in new efficiencies. It's hard to imagine all will remain competitive long term. I think they'd prefer to continue to produce cars as they have been and let market demand dictate the move to EVs instead of politicians.
Think about the decades of research, development, patents and tooling, the legacy of it all that these green agenda fucks are laying to waste.
And why? this is more about creating a greater *need* for money to flow so the money-changers can make more money on money. It sure as hell isn't about saving the world.
ManualF150
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The company I work for does rough in work for EV chargers (as well as a many other areas, and yes, that includes regular gas stations!). A lot of places that want EV chargers, they don't have the infrastructure. I have well over 50+ instances where the project will get to about 10-20% in and it winds up getting nixed only because it's too expensive, not logical, plans change, etc, etc. It is so fluid on EV charger installs... like wishy-washy I guess is the best term.
My boss tells us all, don't bank on the project happening as it can go from 90% to 0% in an instant.
Since I've been working for this company (12 years now), we've only had 1 gas station project go under.
We've also been removing EV stations as well. We just took one out earlier this week because of too many issues (not vandalism related --- technology issues). Just gets cost prohibitive when it doesn't work/not reliable/can't be trusted.
My boss tells us all, don't bank on the project happening as it can go from 90% to 0% in an instant.
Since I've been working for this company (12 years now), we've only had 1 gas station project go under.
We've also been removing EV stations as well. We just took one out earlier this week because of too many issues (not vandalism related --- technology issues). Just gets cost prohibitive when it doesn't work/not reliable/can't be trusted.
Saltwater60
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I’m not surprised by this one bit. How often are you running into there not enough power in the area to supply these charging banks? I’ve heard of a few business expansions being nixed by this recently
A lot of what Donald Trump says about EVs is wrong
The former president recently discussed electric vehicles and imported cars
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Trump came out against the EV mandate long ago, not just recently.
He is for EV's and Hybrids.................just not a total communist EV mandate, which he says he will reverse/cancel and save Detroit jobs.
ManualF150
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I want to say 30-40% of the time it's due to insufficient power distribution that was found out later on into the planning phases (and yes, that also includes sometimes ground breaking!). The rest of it could be zoning, fallout of leases/contracts, etc, etc.
There was a remote private college in NY that wanted to put charging banks on their campus (huge donation), and National Grid basically laughed at them due to the fact that they would need a separate feeder circuit coming in for their project. National Grid had no issues doing it, but wanted to charge them almost double what it would've cost for the entire project alone.
So if National Grid can laugh a college campus, albeit private, then anything is possible.
But we've been getting less and less work for EV stuff. There's been an uptick in contracted water/sewer and telco work for us.
Saltwater60
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No one wants EV’s and no one is buying them that’s why. Chargers break all the time. It’s hilarious we want to go all electric but there’s no power in this country.
I just have to wonder how other countries must sit around at bars and laugh at us. We spend so much on migrants we can’t help our own people, we spend so much on DEI and men getting tits we can’t power our country. I’d laugh to if it wasn’t so sad.
ManualF150
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Back when I was younger, (2000's era), I wanted to see EV and Hydrogen (mostly HHO) take off.
I wanted a fully electric car for around limited town use only. Something a little better than a battery golf cart. Nothing impressive, just something to go get the newspaper and a cup of joe. Even if it had to have NY's "limited use auto" plates on it.
Now with the help from the .gov and real life experience, I don't want an EV or a hybrid. They ruined it for me.
I have went further back, and I don't even was gas, I want to stick with what I trust and works and that is good old diesel fuel.
Way to go for GM staying with diesel with the new 2025 diesel Tahoe:
GM is even pushing diesel for the US Government more:
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Saltwater60
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Honestly I have a GM vehicle now and I’m happy with it but chances are next time around I will not buy a GM because they are working with .gov hook line and sinker. I personally like Toyotas approach how they have an EV but haven’t gone full blown moron on it. They have embraced hybrids and that’s what people want. As a business your job is to sell a product your customers want. They are also making progress on hydrogen and working towards that.
While I’m not happy Toyota ditched the V-8 I may grab o e of their tundra’s next. I would consider a GM diesel pick up truck.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
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I'm sure quite a few guys would take a 1 ton diesel dually Denali at 10.99% for 30 years.
Bustedknees
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With EV's finally taking a hit that is well deserved Musk is loosing huge money. His Twitter loss doesn't seem to bother him but seeing Tesla take huge losses with all the time and investment has to hurt. Elon has gone from far left to far right just like Trump did..
So my thought or question is... Will Elon build a gas vehicle if Tesla keeps bleeding money??
So my thought or question is... Will Elon build a gas vehicle if Tesla keeps bleeding money??
ManualF150
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I would like to see less EPA restricted gas and diesel engines.
RedBreast21
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I feel moves like this are part of a larger agenda. We either cheer or criticize the individual moves without looking to see if it is part of a large agenda.
I won't bad mouth any billionaire unless I have started, in this case Trump, 535 successful companies with only 2 failing.
I won't bad mouth any billionaire unless I have started, in this case Trump, 535 successful companies with only 2 failing.
I don't think he'll migrate Tesla over to internal combustion. Tesla's entire brand is about being EV-only.
What I do think he'll do is dump a ton of money into researching better, safer ways to have EV vehicles that fulfill the needs of the people. Longer range, less chance for the batteries to spontaneously combust.
jimc
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Imagine how much more reliable engines would be without things like GM's collapsing lifter debacle, and all the problems created by trying to get a tenth of a MPG out of everything.
Saltwater60
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I’m sure all the while getting huge government handouts to do so. I’m not saying this is any different than any other company would be doing but it’s the reality. I agree he won’t go ICE and it’s about brand image but think of the cost to redesign the car and his entire factory set up is designed to handle EVs only. The cost to retrofit that would be astronomical and if a lefty gets in office in a few years he would never recoup his investment.
I have an idea that would improve the fuel economy for all vehicles, including EVs - apply some of that smart technology magic to dumb traffic lights! Improve traffic flow, keep vehicles moving as much as practical.
My truck loses 2 - 3mpg driving urban vs rural. Even the start/stop feature of some cars is limited in efficiency. It only saves what you burn while idling. You still need to accelerate from that dead stop, and economy is worse under acceleration, including EVs. Also factor in the increased stress upon the starter, battery, etc. Eventually you'll spend what you have saved. There's no free lunch - cheaper maybe, but not free.
The tech is there to do it, and although it would require an investment, that is not the real problem. The real problem is that .GOV doesn't like to share the return with the peasants.
But isn't it about saving the planet?! My ass, it's about money always has been, always will be.
My truck loses 2 - 3mpg driving urban vs rural. Even the start/stop feature of some cars is limited in efficiency. It only saves what you burn while idling. You still need to accelerate from that dead stop, and economy is worse under acceleration, including EVs. Also factor in the increased stress upon the starter, battery, etc. Eventually you'll spend what you have saved. There's no free lunch - cheaper maybe, but not free.
The tech is there to do it, and although it would require an investment, that is not the real problem. The real problem is that .GOV doesn't like to share the return with the peasants.
But isn't it about saving the planet?! My ass, it's about money always has been, always will be.
ManualF150
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It should be a law that all lights be sensor based. None of this timed shit.
There are some places I drive where they set the lights to change one right another. Could be 2AM and I hit all of the fucking lights.
Another law should be a proper timing sequence of lights. I don't know how many times I've had to stomp on my brakes because of a vehicle that goes into the turning lane and all of a sudden it changes as soon as the vehicle hits the sensor.
Saltwater60
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There’s a road like that by me but if you go 15 mph over you can avoid this. It’s a risk and at 2am I wouldn’t but this road is pretty open and no where for the cops to sit unseen.
Blimey
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I bought a Model 3 in 2023. It's one of the best cars I've owned--so far flawless at almost 50k miles. Thanks to tons of tax credits the sales price on a new one at that time was a hair under $30k. Even the cheapest one (presently just over $300/month lease) drives like a gokart. Musk's politics are destroying the brand. Will be interesting to see how bad Q1 results are for TSLA. It's too bad, because I've driven other EVs and, at the Tesla price point, they are still lagging.
This was musk and trump a week ago, selling Teslas in front of the white house.
This was musk and trump a week ago, selling Teslas in front of the white house.
The white house being used as a car sales lot, lol. Waiting for fast Eddie to come our with the buy here pay here pitch.
ManualF150
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EVs are for certain people. Not me. Yes, they are neat fast whips. However it really depends on use case. Just don't shove it down people's throats.
After seeing what is going on, this has further secluded me from wanting any EV.
After seeing what is going on, this has further secluded me from wanting any EV.
Saltwater60
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Glad you like it and glad it works for you. Funny how Musk is ruining the brand when dems do the same they are called courageous. Nothing against you in that comment just stating how the media portrays it
Blimey
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The thing is his demographic is absolutely left-leaning, but he's become very right-leaning. It's like the CEO of a beer brand advocating for cessation of drinking alcohol.
