northny
.40 S&W
Good trade if you are referring on only background check on weapon purchase.
Problem is we are going to get extended background checks and get nothing for it. Not even dinner first.
Trump on mass shootings
- Thread starter Edwardteach72
- Start date
Good trade if you are referring on only background check on weapon purchase.
Problem is we are going to get extended background checks and get nothing for it. Not even dinner first.
Source?
"I hate when people use a tragedy to further an agenda."
*tragedy happens*
BRING ON THE DRAFT!
Mandatory military service is not only abhorrent morally, is directly opposite the constitution.
But hey, teach them kids some respect.
Just ignore all the mass shooters that did serve. Those don't support the party's argument
These people are scaring me Edward ...
Vapor
.308 Win
The village looking like Atlantis downstream should be labeled "NY" with the caption "How did we let it get like this!?"
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
With the low numbers of registered MSRs, it would be easy for the NYSP to send out letters saying you need to turn them in or officers will show up to get them if not done by a certain time frame. They can obviously only go after those that are registered, but it's the point of FUAC grandstanding for the rest of the country. He will be held up as a hero to the leftists even though there are few registered.
Pray tell who will be knocking on doors asking for guns??
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think that picture accurately describes the average gun owner. Especially one born here in NY.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I've said this once, and I'll say it again. This shit needs to stop. Call the constitutional convention. Let's do the one thing the dems don't want -- clarification. Without clarification, they can live in this zone of bullshit where things aren't clear (to them) so those things aren't explicitly against the second amendment.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
So how do the politicians expect to get any mental health component of a new law past the ACLU?
I think the average American gun owner could care less about most of these rules, regulations and laws. The average gun owner is not like many on this forum. The average gun owner just does not understand the infringements that actually exist.
The average gun owner, AGO, does not care about background checks as long as he can get his gun when he makes the purchase. The AGO doesn't understand what all the hubbub that surrounds him.
The AGO again, is not like many here. The AGO owns a couple of different guns. Not a collection like most of us. The AGO, he owns one or two pistols and is happy with that.
This is the real fight. The fight to get all gun owners to understand how far to the bus back they have been pushed. Most do not care because most don't know.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm pretty sure the ACLU, while not one to go to bat in support of the 2nd, are very much against red flag laws for obvious reasons. So hopefully they will fight this. This is bigger than guns. If they can take away one right without PROPER due process, they can take away all.
Yeah, now imagine how scary it is when people on this very forum who should know better still say "I support the 2A, but I'm OK with..."
They just don't get it.
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
Welcome to the forum and thanks for your statist rhetoric
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
Whay if they have a statist safe word? Like "redistribution"? Does that make it ok?
"I'm ok with making a few little sacrifices, as long as the greater good is achieved."
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Right. But he believes in background checks. Bump stocks and full auto, the public shouldn’t have.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Paging the cake analogy.... cake analogy you are wanted on the white courtesy phone.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I mean, there is the wishful thinking part of me that wants to believe the Trump 4D chess strategy is all about doing the whole red flag law, or at least making a show of support for it to look like he did something, knowing that it will likely be heavily challenged on more fronts than just the gun front and quite possibly struck down....But then I come to my senses and nope, that's fantasy and a very dangerous and costly plan at that. We'll just have to see how this plays out.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I believe your Corgi senses are correct. Trump was never a real gun guy. He was a concealed carrier and that’s it. He’s better than most but still sucks. He probably believes that you should be permitted to carry too.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think he’s still fighting the measles.
Bigfoot
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This made me laugh out loud, a actual for real LOL
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
The fact that you made the courtesy phone white means your institutional racism is showing.
SHAME!! SHAME!!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Just to clarify, by "permitted" you mean like the sullivan act permitted and not that you should be allowed as in America?
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"Allowed"?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
lol, sorry. I meant as in you carry, at will, as in America.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
As in requiring a license to carry.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah, I'd agree. He is probably for people having to get a permit.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Nobody is trading anything. It is very simple.
All we need to keep in mind is that a civil society cannot function properly w/o a community conscience.
It is pretty much how we evolved and thrived as species where it was clearly understood that to be part of a tribe or a village
one had a duty and compromise to support in different ways. Not everyone was a warrior that is not what we are saying
but there was a natural bond that made the group stronger and therefore perpetuating the survival of the species.
This is a well known fact in neuroscience and anthropology that has a permanent effect in our lives and it provides the explanation for a lot
of the problems in large cities and huge continental territories under the same flag.
Even corporations experience this when they go above certain size that happens to be the maximum size of an old village
or tribe. Socially and physiologically we are not as happy as we are in a context where our identity has a greater meaning.
We do not evolve as fast as technology and/or modern politics wants us to evolve.
A friend of mine from Colonia(Germany) ran a anxiety and depression treatment clinic in Malaga (Spain) where the whole strategy
was designed to re-acquaint people with their primitive being and original sense of pride in identity.
The whole clinics runs like an old village where these primitive instincts are naturally experienced. A sense of duty, pride and happiness is a byproduct of the therapy.
As I said, when people do not want to fight they find things they can do to better their communities and themselves in the process.
One cannot and should not impose military service or any other form of contribution but also one should not expect gratitude from a tribe where one contributes with
nothing. One day the taxes might be so high that perhaps history will repeat itself and w/o taxes there is no way to buy armies and
w/o bought Armys who is going to fight to get us out of that tyranny? Ask the founding fathers.
These tragedies have nothing to do with this. This is a systemic problem around the world as cities get bigger and governments
want more control. They just want "our" money to pay for "their" army.
All we need to keep in mind is that a civil society cannot function properly w/o a community conscience.
It is pretty much how we evolved and thrived as species where it was clearly understood that to be part of a tribe or a village
one had a duty and compromise to support in different ways. Not everyone was a warrior that is not what we are saying
but there was a natural bond that made the group stronger and therefore perpetuating the survival of the species.
This is a well known fact in neuroscience and anthropology that has a permanent effect in our lives and it provides the explanation for a lot
of the problems in large cities and huge continental territories under the same flag.
Even corporations experience this when they go above certain size that happens to be the maximum size of an old village
or tribe. Socially and physiologically we are not as happy as we are in a context where our identity has a greater meaning.
We do not evolve as fast as technology and/or modern politics wants us to evolve.
A friend of mine from Colonia(Germany) ran a anxiety and depression treatment clinic in Malaga (Spain) where the whole strategy
was designed to re-acquaint people with their primitive being and original sense of pride in identity.
The whole clinics runs like an old village where these primitive instincts are naturally experienced. A sense of duty, pride and happiness is a byproduct of the therapy.
As I said, when people do not want to fight they find things they can do to better their communities and themselves in the process.
One cannot and should not impose military service or any other form of contribution but also one should not expect gratitude from a tribe where one contributes with
nothing. One day the taxes might be so high that perhaps history will repeat itself and w/o taxes there is no way to buy armies and
w/o bought Armys who is going to fight to get us out of that tyranny? Ask the founding fathers.
These tragedies have nothing to do with this. This is a systemic problem around the world as cities get bigger and governments
want more control. They just want "our" money to pay for "their" army.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
then the DA or AG drop the charges .. he was a Dem and heading off to collage.. a good kid .. your free to go .. and were back to the problem
spat
.700 Nitro Express
This is the only way for them to be effective.
Removing the guns and leaving them to walk free is just feel good nonsense. They can go out and get another one right away, no matter what law you pass.
The only reason the Dems support it is that they can eventually "red flag" everyone and accomplish back door gun control that way.
If they had to feed and house everyone they "red flagged", plus give them due process with all the criminal trial trappings they couldn't do that.