Trump plans to sign executive order curbing birthright citizenship

Catskillkid

Catskillkid

.450/400 Nitro Ex
Messages
10,119
Reaction score
18,493
Location
Livin' in a Gangsta's Paradise (AKA New York)
Trump plans to sign executive order curbing birthright citizenship: report

About damn time. This has been used and abused by not just Mexican and Central American illegal immigrants but illegals from every country on the planet. Come here, squeeze out a kid, and not only is the kid a citizen (who really shouldn't be in my opinion) but the family gets Social Security benefits as long as the kid remains a minor.

Citizenship should be bestowed on an individual who has at least one parent who is a US Citizen or those who go legally through the naturalization process.
 
wizrd

wizrd

6.5 Creedmoor
Messages
1,702
Reaction score
2,766
Location
Oneida Co. NY
Travel agencies in Asia specialize in trips to Hawaii & Californicate for expecting women, - if they whelp in America - their shelter babies are a road to citizenship when things turn to shit later.
 
SomeSoldier

SomeSoldier

.450/400 Nitro Ex
U.S. Military
Messages
10,453
Reaction score
20,205
Location
Florida
togmaster said:
I don't like executive orders. They have caused a lot of the problems we are having now.
Click to expand...

I agree but maybe this leads to a cert to overturn the original SCOTUS ruling on citizenship.

I watched an interesting video about how citizenship work before the SCOTUS ruling. I like the org way better.
 
pjzwtl

pjzwtl

.308 Win
Messages
4,150
Reaction score
8,907
Location
Sullivan County
This is the section in question
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside”.

If original intent is applied it is fare game since it was done to protect the children of the recently freed slaves who were “ under the jurisdiction”
 
byron

byron

.308 Win
Messages
3,641
Reaction score
14,215
Location
prattsburgh ny
The 14th Amendment citizenship clause was dealing with ordinary citizenship, either by birth or naturalization. Hence, an alien who is not legally inside the USA is not capable of bearing children who are citizens of the USA. A person has to be under the jurisdiction of the USA at the time children are born to that person for those children to be regarded as U.S. citizens by birth.
 
togmaster

togmaster

.450/400 Nitro Ex
Messages
13,322
Reaction score
20,119
Location
Buoy 42
pjzwtl said:
This is true in many ways but in this case it will provoke a court challenge that could force a more narrow interpretation of the 14th amendment to what it was actually intended to be. Maybe!!
Click to expand...

But is this the right way to go about it? Issue an executive order that may be unconstitutional so it can be challenged in court? I have no problem revisiting the 14th amendment but go about it the right way.
 
Phazer

Phazer

.450/400 Nitro Ex
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
20,973
Location
Province of Westchester
Important lecture by 14th amendment scholar explaining birthright citizenship:


(7:40 - What does it mean to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof?"

14th amendment states:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.​

The Left, as well as many casual readers of the Constitution, have forgotten the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" part. If citizenship was only a matter of geography, the section would have read: All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
 
Last edited:
pjzwtl

pjzwtl

.308 Win
Messages
4,150
Reaction score
8,907
Location
Sullivan County
togmaster said:
But is this the right way to go about it? Issue an executive order that may be unconstitutional so it can be challenged in court? I have no problem revisiting the 14th amendment but go about it the right way.
Click to expand...

I am not a fan of how far executive orders have gone but they have been in practice since day one and for the point of the administration of the executive branch they are nessassary. If someone or a group feels an order is outside of the presidents authority the can take it to court. Weather the order is unconstitutional or not is a matter of opinion until it’s settled
 
Phazer

Phazer

.450/400 Nitro Ex
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
20,973
Location
Province of Westchester
I do not like overreaching executive orders. But, from my standpoint of strict interpretation of the 14th amendment, this executive order would be simply asking the federal government to follow the constitution as written. Therefore, I'd consider welcoming a SCOTUS ruling. After all, if they maintain the status quo, nothing changes. But...if they rule as originalists, then the "anchor baby" concept disappears.
 
Blimey

Blimey

.450/400 Nitro Ex
Messages
11,274
Reaction score
16,250
Location
Western NY
This may hit scotus fast because it is so important.

I wholeheartedly support getting rid of birthright citizenship.
 
L

livingston

20×102mm Vulcan
Messages
49,428
Reaction score
135,615
Location
livingston county
Speaker Paul Ryan: “you cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order.”…
Posted on October 30, 2018 by sundance
A few months ago, when discussing overall immigration policy, I wrote: “There is no greater disconnect from ordinary Americans -on any singular issue- than the policy positions of Democrats and Republicans in Washington DC surrounding immigration. President Donald Trump is confronting their unified interests.” The reaction from Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is directly related to this truism:

(Via Associated Press) […] The top Republican tells WVLK radio in Kentucky, “Well you obviously cannot do that. You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order.”

Ryan’s comments Tuesday offered a rare challenge to the president — from his own party. […] Ryan says Republicans didn’t like when then-President Barack Obama “tried changing immigration laws via executive action. He says “obviously as conservatives we believe in the Constitution.”


Ryan is retiring but the No. 3 House Republican, Louisiana’s Rep. Steve Scalise, said on Fox that he’s glad Trump is considering options. (read more)

It does not go unnoticed that Speaker Ryan never challenged DACA.

It does not go unnoticed that Paul Ryan fully supported the June 2014 house vote for the Senate Gang-of-Eight immigration bill; until Majority Leader Eric Cantor was primaried 48 hours before the vote.

The issue of lax immigration, and the subsequent lack of enforcement, is the cornerstone for the UniParty in Washington DC. It is one of the central elements that isolates the professional political class from the majority of common sense Americans.

For the Democrats, support for open-borders and lax immigration enforcement is part of their overall ideology and fabian world-view. For traditional republicans support for lax immigration, which allows exploitation of labor, is driven by the Wall Street views of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (President Tom Donohue), and various elements associated with multinational corporate interests (Koch Brothers).

No amount of external political pressure upon DC will change this dynamic.

The only thing that will fracture this entrenched DC ideology is a long-process to dismantle the system that enables mutually beneficial arrangement.

A few perspective examples:

Speaker Paul Ryan: “you cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order.”…
 
CaseHardened

CaseHardened

.450/400 Nitro Ex
U.S. Military
Messages
11,538
Reaction score
11,756
Location
Danvers, MA
CONSIDER THIS:

It's 1944, and somehow the NAZIS have captured New Jersey.

They establish an enclave on our shores, and bring some of their women here. Who give birth.

Does anyone honestly believe the 14th Amendment had an intent of giving the spawn of an INVADING ARMY citizenship ?

Yet that is what ILLEGALS ARE. An invading army.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top