Update from NYSRPA on pending Cases (August 16, 2023)
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I didn't see any update on pending cases in that document other than this:
"Currently the Second Circuit court of appeals has 4 cases in which they have yet to decide, once that is done, we can get movement on our new case."
That's not really an update.
This .pdf is just an ad for their upcoming Bruen2 lawsuit.
"Currently the Second Circuit court of appeals has 4 cases in which they have yet to decide, once that is done, we can get movement on our new case."
That's not really an update.
This .pdf is just an ad for their upcoming Bruen2 lawsuit.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
I read the email as " hey hey look at us!! We could really use more money while the courts trample on your rights by doing nothing. But we're gonna super duper sue them this time!!"
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I can't tell what these clowns are up to.
The did almost no PR, member outreach, fundraising, etc to take advantage of the Bruen decision.
Tom King is acting like the groundhog who saw his shadow, and almost never leaves his hole.
Their PR guy showed up here saying he was looking to answer questions and have conversation, got combative when presented with criticism, and disappeared.
Its almost like they decided their members and potential members don't matter and they're happy suckling at what's left of NRA's teat.
The did almost no PR, member outreach, fundraising, etc to take advantage of the Bruen decision.
Tom King is acting like the groundhog who saw his shadow, and almost never leaves his hole.
Their PR guy showed up here saying he was looking to answer questions and have conversation, got combative when presented with criticism, and disappeared.
Its almost like they decided their members and potential members don't matter and they're happy suckling at what's left of NRA's teat.
Would it be better there wasn't any word from them?
I receive e-mails every week, sometimes daily from GOA, SAF, and others referring back to the Bruen Case which NYSRPA won in the Supreme Court.
NRA kicked in 2.2 Million Dollars towards the first Suit, yet the "the NRA doesn't do anything for NY, it's a lost cause" mantra continues.
The "delays" and "Slow walking" of Cases seems to plague ALL the Pro-2A groups.
Love them, hate them, or be indifferent of them, NYSRPA is working and towards the same end goal.
Who else has done anything successful? Won a Case in/against NY in the last two or three years?
What Pro-2A Groupe in NY has more members?
Court Cases just like elections cost money, lots of it.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
I really would not call anything a success just yet. All of the money donated over the years and we have less and less rights every step of the way. I am not sure that doing anything at this point is going to help NY. NY basically has to crumble and be rebuilt which will not happen in my life.
I read their "pending" lawsuit. I am no lawyer, and didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night, but, overall, it didn't really do anything for me. It just kind of struck me as, well, someone just going through the motions, and not really putting much effort or thought into it. As book reports might get graded, I would give it a B-.
One thing I did find interesting though, was the recitation of the new NYS requirements for obtaining a CCW, and specifically the live fire requirements laid out on Paragraph 24 on Page 9 of 36. So, now one has to draw and re-holster the firearm you use at the range? Yet one more added expense, to buy a holster for a training gun such as a .22 that almost no one will ever carry as their EDC gun. The CCIA just keeps piling shit on.
Also, they laid out the entirely subjective requirements re one's social media, and their blatantly illegal search requirements. And yet, while the illegal CCIA requirements are on the books and not overturned, NYers wanting to get a pistol permit have to endure them.
I didn't see where those of us with CCW permits already would have to endure said training, social media account snooping, and God knows what else when recertifying, but I expect that is only a matter of time. I just recertified FWIW, and now my date is pushed out their measly 3 years.
One thing I did find interesting though, was the recitation of the new NYS requirements for obtaining a CCW, and specifically the live fire requirements laid out on Paragraph 24 on Page 9 of 36. So, now one has to draw and re-holster the firearm you use at the range? Yet one more added expense, to buy a holster for a training gun such as a .22 that almost no one will ever carry as their EDC gun. The CCIA just keeps piling shit on.
Also, they laid out the entirely subjective requirements re one's social media, and their blatantly illegal search requirements. And yet, while the illegal CCIA requirements are on the books and not overturned, NYers wanting to get a pistol permit have to endure them.
I didn't see where those of us with CCW permits already would have to endure said training, social media account snooping, and God knows what else when recertifying, but I expect that is only a matter of time. I just recertified FWIW, and now my date is pushed out their measly 3 years.
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I thought you moved out of NY to NC?
Only the three people in the Room know who wrote the CCIA, there was no public review or commentary allowed and passed overnight as an "emergency" only to be implemented months later.
If this was a right fucking now, gett'r done case against the State do you not think someone (including all the Gun Groups) would be on this. We're over ten years fighting the un_SAFE Act with damn little success here, but for every case in other States that finds AW bans, magazine capacity restrictions and others unconstitutional/illegitimate it puts us one step closer.
NYSRPA did not write and does not support ANY portion of the CCIA and changes made aganist Dealers or persons who could otherwise lawfully posesse a gun, to think them the enemy is astoundingly stupid.
As for qualifying on a Range before renewing/applying for a Licenses; read this from the SAF: Deep Dive: New Jersey’s new ‘John Wick’ concealed-carry qualification test - Second Amendment Foundation
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Saltwater60
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I’m sick of hearing this and I feel it is an outright lie.
When we hear “my vote doesn’t count” you’re correct, when you DON’T get out there and vote it DOESN’T COUNT! We are now in a struggle with NYS government because of the lack of gun owners voting, if we had every man & woman that owned a gun out there at the polls during the election things would not be what they are right now here in NYS! Whether you get out there and vote or not you are making an impact... with not voting you’re allowing this to continue.
My vote doesn’t count and I have voted in every single election since I was 18 years old except for one when I had last minute travel for work and couldn’t get an absentee ballot and my supervisor heard about it for sure. I can tell you no one I vote for except local level gets elected and possibly one or if I’m lucky two court level people. Every gun owner and conservative I know votes. I even switched from conservative to republican so I can vote in the primaries and I have been. I think this is an excuse for their failures and so we keep giving money so we don’t say all hope is lost…. All hope is lost in case you didn’t figure that out. They also fail to understand many gun owners and hunters would still vote democrat so maybe their statement on face value is accurate but they fail to see many would vote democrat.
When we hear “my vote doesn’t count” you’re correct, when you DON’T get out there and vote it DOESN’T COUNT! We are now in a struggle with NYS government because of the lack of gun owners voting, if we had every man & woman that owned a gun out there at the polls during the election things would not be what they are right now here in NYS! Whether you get out there and vote or not you are making an impact... with not voting you’re allowing this to continue.
My vote doesn’t count and I have voted in every single election since I was 18 years old except for one when I had last minute travel for work and couldn’t get an absentee ballot and my supervisor heard about it for sure. I can tell you no one I vote for except local level gets elected and possibly one or if I’m lucky two court level people. Every gun owner and conservative I know votes. I even switched from conservative to republican so I can vote in the primaries and I have been. I think this is an excuse for their failures and so we keep giving money so we don’t say all hope is lost…. All hope is lost in case you didn’t figure that out. They also fail to understand many gun owners and hunters would still vote democrat so maybe their statement on face value is accurate but they fail to see many would vote democrat.
Yes @FP1201 , I did move out, first to NC, and now in SC. I still have family and friends back in NY and kept my permit, and so, yes, I keep tabs on all of the shit NYS is pulling.
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I don't necessarily view NYSRPA as the enemy. When I lived in NYS, I don't ever recall even hearing from them. No soliciting for anything. Nothing. While the NRA funded their NYS affiliate NYSRPA's Bruen lawsuit, I see NYSRPA as overall ineffective. NYS gun owners are STILL being fucked over almost 10 years after (UN)Safe Act was passed in the middle of the night. And it has only gotten worse with the CCIA, - much, much worse.
While I see GOA, SAF, FPC, and others working hard for our gun rights, I don't see NYSRPA as being very effective. YMMV. But that's they way I see it.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
To clarify, the entire body of that diatribe was a quote from NYSRPA, not Saltwater60, just so no one is confused about the message. Saltwater60 only wrote the top line. Carry on. Concealed, of course.
NYSRPA has always been somewhat "quiet" however they have been effective, and you've got to remember it's almost entirely volunteer; the only paid persons are an Office Manager/Membership Solicitor/Representative and the Executive Director. A significant portion of the Membership comes from Down State especially Long Island, and until Cuomo made access to the Legislature via the State Office Buildings verboten under the scamdemic of covid, NYSRPA Representatives had direct and daily access to both the Assemblypersons and Senators. As for Social Media and other venues of distributing information; that too was volunteer, but never really got the job done, so it was hired out and was not successful either. They DO publish a monthly Newsletter/Magazine, Letters and solicitations DO go out to Members both current and past, Directors (volunteers) DO go and meet with Candidates, PAC's, Groups, Clubs, etc.
Fund raising is a damned if you do, damned if you don't: "I get sick of all the Letters begging for money..." and "Why don't you do a raffle or something to raise money?" Think on it for a minute, if you've got real, honest, suggestions I'd love to hear them.
You wouldn't believe the number of calls every day from people all across the State seeking information, help, answers, complaints about the Laws and "what are you doing about it!?" Well the first question back is "Are you a member, and if so your name so we can look it up." Most aren't, and aren't interested in joining, only complaining or wanting free help like they're the Southern Poverty Law Center...well it just isn't so.
And back to "effectiveness" Please point out the Case(s) the other Organizations have won in NY... "NY Firearms Association" anyone? Humm? Follow this link into the Rabbit Hole for that one: aaron dorr firearms association - Google Search
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Similar to all of the disease associations (American Cancer Society, Susan B. Koman Foundation, Heart Association, etc.) when they tell everyone that buys into their BS that they are so close to a cure, they just need more of your money lol.
Yeah,
Well, to be honest, I would like to see a list of 2A cases brought by NYSRPA.
A quick look shows me two cases filed by SAF and FPC: Hardaway v Nigrelli, and Christian v Nigrelli for starters. Perhaps others on here can chime in with what other active NY state lawsuits have been filed, and the organizations behind them. Just curious.
subsonic
.44 mag
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
Tom King and his wife are both cunts!
And why do you say that?
Of what difference should your dislike of them detract from the mission of the Association?
If I said I hate Trump, does that mean I shouldn't support the Republican Party?
That's 2 years of Wayne's salary. How gracious of them.
If you asked all those naive enough to be a member of their organization what the Bruen decision even was, less than 10% would even know. 0% would know their next step
The NRA does nothing for NY. It, as in the NRA, is a lost cause.
Couple more and I've won NRA apologists BINGO. Why not try "What have YOU done, HMMMMMMMMM!?" I'm missing that square.
Well, the figurehead of NYSRPA did shit all over his members for "violently ruining the lawn", so there's that.
Bustedknees
12-gauge slug (smooth bore)
I'm a bitter ex member. Go way back to Trumps first run in the primary election. He was highly entertaining front runner but there were many including me that questioned and spoke-out against his history. long time anti-gun support, pro Clinton backer and his general history as Democrat. King and his wife would have no discussion if it wasn't 100% pro Trump. His wife was a little Hitler deleting all comments against any other incumbent, then blocking and banning members having civil discussions. I'm over being civil with them.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
whooot whoot the NRA ..
www.reuters.com
New York fines NRA gun rights group, bans insurance sales for five years
The National Rifle Association agreed to a five-year suspension of its insurance business in New York state and will pay a $2.5 million civil fine to settle charges it offered insurance to members without a license and concealed how it routinely kept some premiums for itself...
www.reuters.com
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
where is the NRA and NYSRPA now with the CCIA ?
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Same place they were with the SafeAct.
ManualF150
.308 Win
At this point it's just a laughing joke on them -- egg on their face. By them poking the bear, they made it worse and they know it. You don't even need to read between the lines. The cat is out of the bag on this one. As it's been said all over the place, "Hochul double downed" on us in retaliation to stirring the pot. Referencing NYSRPA and even the NRA for the SafeAct.
A majority of the folks on this forum have done enough, but the problem is, we are only a few, and we need much, much more people to push how it's not right AND to do something about it.
I mean there's people I still run into that still think the 5 year renewal exists and they "still good", they never heard of the CCIA, they didn't know that you need to have an endorsement on your CC permit to even touch a semiauto 22LR rifle or any semiauto rifle, a lot still come into the gun shop and want to buy ammo then get all flustered about needing to hand over their life's history. Wait till a background check needs to be done on ammo next month. Fact is there are still a ton of people that don't even know these laws are put into place.
Maybe, just maybe the ammo background check will open people's eyes -- but I view it as a snowballs chance in hell. Ain't gonna happen.
Huh?
Last I knew you only need that to take possession of one. If you already own it, it doesn't matter.
ManualF150
.308 Win
To go to the store and hold one and purchase one is what I'm referring to.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
last i knew it is to actually buy one ..
not just hold it or take possession
so your saying i can't let my fiends 10yr old take hold of my ruger 10/22 and shoot it