TonyRossi
9mm
Anyone else seen this ?
New gun laws start Sept. 1 but still no guidance from NYS on implementation
New gun laws start Sept. 1 but still no guidance from NYS on implementation
Upstate NY exempt from training requirements ?
- Thread starter TonyRossi
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Slacker43
.40 S&W
It is linked in another thread. No one knows what is going on as usual with this state.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
In a filing with 10 pages devoted to challenge standing, the AG office indicated that an upstate gun owner would not have to follow expectations from the new requirements, maybe they are stupid but most believe the office was just lying or playing word games e.g. recertification vs renewal vs re-issued etc
“Plaintiff Antonyuk will not be required to have his license re-issued or renewed, and therefore will never be subject to any of these application requirements (the interview, social media disclosure, and training provisions).”
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US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
That's all I could find. No, I don't live in Monroe County.
ronstar
.357 mag
It only makes sense that someone with a concealed carry permit has to take a class on the legal use of a firearm in crowded public spaces.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Good to see you agree with your governor.
ronstar
.357 mag
I never said I agree with the new law. I don't like most of it.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
I took plenty of training 40 years ago when I was a young man and I was issued a license. It was the responsible thing to do. Along the way I have taken tons of other training as well. Some official, some privately.
However;
Requiring anything other than a brief safety familiarization and intro to the appropriate laws is in violation of rights. By brief I mean brief, like a class that is done by lunchtime and is free to attend.
ronstar
.357 mag
I have no problem with 7 hours of class training, to be repeated every 10 years.
And a field exam, repeated every 10 years.
If we are going to let people shoot guns in public we better make sure they know what they're doing.
It's called "common sense" and "public safety".
Imagine going to hearing to speak about why you think a law is unconstitutional and against a recent Supreme Court Ruling, and then the people who wrote the law, tell the judge that the new legislation doesn’t apply to you because they forgot what they legislated…………W..T..F
And I suppose you would agree with doing something similar when it comes to voting too, right?
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
No, just..... no.
And stop with the 'common sense' and 'public safety' crap. Weasel leftist words.
ronstar
.357 mag
Apples & Oranges, my friend.
ronstar
.357 mag
There is zero chance the Supreme Court will ever rule that requiring safety classes and field test is unconstitutional for a concealed carry permit.
But go ahead and contest it.
mark60
.40 S&W
Feel free to take all that training yourself. Maybe do the same for your driver's license too, it is after all, good common sense. Hell, I wasn't even aware that we "let" people shoot guns in public.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
At least he's consistent.
ronstar
.357 mag
New York state driver's license requires a class and a driver's test.
No reason a concealed carry permit should be any different.
mark60
.40 S&W
You're probably not aware of the difference between a right and a privilege.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Just curious. What is their justification for upstate not needing the training? Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset if that is the case. It's just the inconsistency is stunning and really shows the BS they are spewing.
That_FNG
6.5 Creedmoor
Not surprising. From what I have learned about monroe they are an extremely liberal county. So even if upstate doesn’t not have too monroe probably would still make it a requirement just because they can.
Monroe doesn’t consider a revolver to be pistol so I’m not surprised by anything they do.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Did he get his permit in the last three years? They may not be lying. If I remember correctly they said you’re subject to these training requirements if you recieved your permit over three years ago and currently have a permit. I could be wrong but I think that’s what I remember.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Who is shooting guns in public? That’s illegal. Also it’s not 7 hours of training every ten years. It’s 16 hours seat time and two hours range time. Is this range time per pistol? Now that you need a rifle license will this transfer to licenses? Good to know you’re ok with it because that makes it all better now.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I think at some point it certainly becomes a burden. You’re a leftist doesn’t this become cost prohibitive to the lower class and poor minorities? Isn’t this racist?There is zero chance the Supreme Court will ever rule that requiring safety classes and field test is unconstitutional for a concealed carry permit.
But go ahead and contest it.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
And driving is a privilege not a right. Do you have to take a training to vote, free speech, right to a lawyer?
That's exactly what I referred to in a post I wrote this AM, as I received it in my email.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
Just as soon as they take classes in civics and the constitution. Who's already more responsible, us or the nys gov? Their job is to serve us not the other way around.