I've heard the triggers sucked and that there may be a few issues with reliability. I think at a price below the standard P01 or the above mention custom shop version at a price above, is the better option.
USP / P226 ; USP compact/P2000/P229?
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Everything I've seen the $400 P07 (kriss clone) has a better stock trigger
The Sphinx SDP (not to be confused with CZ's in house custom version of the P01 which they also dubbed the SDP) is based of the CZ75 design and is more similar to the competing P01. The Sphinx SDP has an alloy frame to which a polymer grip housing is attached in a similar fashion to the STI 2011 grips. The P07 has an entirely polymer frame while the P01 is an all alloy frame.
By way of further clarification for the OP's benefit, in CZ parlance the "P" series is the compact (Glock 19 size) line while the "SP" series is the full size line. Very full size, I belive the SP01 has a 5" barrel? Both of these are updated versions of the venerable CZ75.
Yes, the sphinx was a clone of the 75 design, which then cz turned around and cloned the sphinx with making the p07, as for the p designation that isnt 100% as the P-09 is far from compact G19 size lol, that might be for the metal guns but not all their guns (the p10 will come in all 3 sizes by the end of the year)
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Excellent info here guys, thank you. I am thinking of one of the CZ compacts, either the P01 or the PCR. You think I would kick myself down the road if I get the PCR instead of the P01? Cheaper and I don't (currently) want a compact with a rail.
Personally I saw P01 but I prefer full dust covers and rails but you really cant go wrong with the PCR. And just think as with many brands CZ also has a sickness, so I'm sure if you get the PCR you will end up with a P01 or the other way around
If you don't want or need the rail then I belive the PCR has a few small additional refinements over the standard P01, so I'd go with the former in your case. However do you already have a carry gun? If so why not opt for a big honkin' pistol? Better for the range and no hindrance in HD scenarios.
Agreed... like the only .40sw i would ever recommend ......
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Ah. Because I DO NOT! I am waiting on delivery of a Sig P227 (10 round .45), hence my gravitating toward the compact CZ's.
hell if you even want a baby gun (not really all that small but its a baby gun to me because G19 size or FTW) have you looked at the CZ 75 RAMI?
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I am not a good enough shot to run a gun that small!
im not a fan of sub compacts. i almost bought one of these bad boys, 2+ years ago, when i got a new (big boy job, well 2nd after the Navy) to celebrate.
A few weeks prior i asked my LGS about getting me a RAMI and they couldnt find any at the time, i show up later pumped about getting this new job and saw a RAMI sitting in the case, i pull the CC out and say yup lets do it. it was a friday the PP office was closed i wouldnt be able to pick it up until tuesday, i got home started thinking a bit and realize that was not something i should have charged at that moment in time, called the store up say hey is there anyway we can just 86 this transaction since its tech. not completed, they were cool and refunded my card and acted like nothing happened..... i stop in a week later and the owners son is like yea i bought the RAMI its amazing
PCR is your baby then.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I think yer probably right, Pod. One advantage seems to be that the Kadet (.22 conversion kit) allegedly works a bit better on the PCR than the P01 (lockback on last). And if I do decide to get unrestricted, I don't think I'd want to mount light or laser for a carry rig. Plus the slight advantage of the more rounded front end. And, purely subjective - I think it looks better and distinctive.
Sucks that they make neither all in steel but I can live with aluminum to get the decocker instead of manual safety.
Sucks that they make neither all in steel but I can live with aluminum to get the decocker instead of manual safety.
Oh you prefer the decocker too? I was thinking I was the only one around here that saw no point whatsoever in having a manual safety on a DA/SA action.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
How else am I going to get my +1 in this shithole state without a bunch of bullshit I don't consider as safe as a decocker?
My manual safeties are my brain, my index finger, and practice.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
So. Huh. Heart versus hands versus brains versus wants.
I don't know why I see people in Google reviews, etc, that don't like Collector's in Hopewell. Guessing like all things human "personality goes a long way." Always had zero problems with good folks there; Scott don't know me from Adam but such a good dude every time me and the wife've been in. Anyways.
I got over there yesterday and hit a bunch of metal guns, to include CZ's I never handled before side by side with SIG's I had held/shot in different profiles. Very helpful.
I havent held Legion SIG's (226 and 229) until yesterday and admit I don't know what the big deal is. Finish is different for sure. They may be worth the extra but I aint got it. Some point I will need to get a 226 Navy, no doubt.
Onto what I'm zero'ing on.
The CZ compacts were a bit smaller than I expected. Digging the PCR but smaller than I expected. P01 about the same but chunky as expected with the rail. Out of the box, the PCR trigger/decocker was much smoother than the P01. Leaning toward a PCR and tossing on some larger grips.
Point for point- if I had no other gun in the house, I would go P226 in a heartbeat. If I didn't have a P227 on the way, I would go P229. The SIG's, as always, felt great- but pricey.
Locking in on the PCR with another set of grips.
Appreciate all the feedback.
I don't know why I see people in Google reviews, etc, that don't like Collector's in Hopewell. Guessing like all things human "personality goes a long way." Always had zero problems with good folks there; Scott don't know me from Adam but such a good dude every time me and the wife've been in. Anyways.
I got over there yesterday and hit a bunch of metal guns, to include CZ's I never handled before side by side with SIG's I had held/shot in different profiles. Very helpful.
I havent held Legion SIG's (226 and 229) until yesterday and admit I don't know what the big deal is. Finish is different for sure. They may be worth the extra but I aint got it. Some point I will need to get a 226 Navy, no doubt.
Onto what I'm zero'ing on.
The CZ compacts were a bit smaller than I expected. Digging the PCR but smaller than I expected. P01 about the same but chunky as expected with the rail. Out of the box, the PCR trigger/decocker was much smoother than the P01. Leaning toward a PCR and tossing on some larger grips.
Point for point- if I had no other gun in the house, I would go P226 in a heartbeat. If I didn't have a P227 on the way, I would go P229. The SIG's, as always, felt great- but pricey.
Locking in on the PCR with another set of grips.
Appreciate all the feedback.
I had a Legion P226. Actually I thought it was an excellent pistol, trigger, sights, grips and additional checkering and contouring all really enhanced the already excellent handling of the design. I could not stand, however, the reduced controls. The decocker was harder to get to and the little nub of a slide release was downright painful to use. In the end after I got my License to Carry Firearms I opted to trade it in for a Walther PPQ and S&W Shield. I figured it didn't make much sense to have a big ol range queen gun and nothing else when I could trade it in for to much more practical guns. Even now that U have the carry guns well covered and I have a hankering for a large size metal framed DA/SA I think I would just rather have that Beretta
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
@Podmonkey "I could not stand, however, the reduced controls. The decocker was harder to get to and the little nub of a slide release was downright painful to use."
This.
Good lord you nailed it brother. I (literally) couldn't put my finger on it at the shop but. The legion finish is really nice but... give me a Navy someday. If it weren't for that damn ass DAK trigger I would be chasing a Gen 1 SAS P229.
I could not figure out whyI didn't just jump into bed with the 226 or 229 Legion (other than price). Controls were very sharp and smooth but fucked if I could actually get to and manipulate them (especially slide release) as easily as the old school.
This.
Good lord you nailed it brother. I (literally) couldn't put my finger on it at the shop but. The legion finish is really nice but... give me a Navy someday. If it weren't for that damn ass DAK trigger I would be chasing a Gen 1 SAS P229.
I could not figure out whyI didn't just jump into bed with the 226 or 229 Legion (other than price). Controls were very sharp and smooth but fucked if I could actually get to and manipulate them (especially slide release) as easily as the old school.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I just put 250 more down the pipe if my p30sk. I love it. The p30l used to be around 1000 now you can get them for under 600. I’m ordering one soon. Might get a .40 and convert it to .357 dog.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Any recommendations for replacement grips for the PCR? Most I've seen are either the same, or less wide than factory. Looking for something slightly beefier. My hands are not huge by any stretch but the factory grip size is I think the only thing stopping me from ordering one today.
Have you looked at VZ?
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah although I will check again. I was thinking wood but not married to the idea.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Looking at the LOK palm swells. Seems like they are basically same as factory but grippier with the G10.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
PCR will be ordered end of the week. All going well I should have it I guess early/mid September (Putnam; it's going to my FiL's shop in MI so he can package with a couple he's giving me, to my FFL here in one shot for transfers and amendments).
Thank you all for the counsel here, hugely helpful. Already thinking about getting the slide matte stainlessed- anyone have any thoughts on cerakote, NP3, etc? I was looking today at Robar NP3 treatment for slide, barrel, etc. I'm thinking it would look awesome in three tone with a set of the Czech Police wood grips, if I can find a set.
Many thanks again guys.
Thank you all for the counsel here, hugely helpful. Already thinking about getting the slide matte stainlessed- anyone have any thoughts on cerakote, NP3, etc? I was looking today at Robar NP3 treatment for slide, barrel, etc. I'm thinking it would look awesome in three tone with a set of the Czech Police wood grips, if I can find a set.
Many thanks again guys.
Another vote for VZ grips. The red ones look especially good against the black CZ finish and the are thinner and therfore better for carry. Speaking of the finish, leave it as is. CZs are bling enough on their own.
@BDinPutnam:
That is money right there! Those are the VZ red grips in G10. Kinda has the look of rosewood to me.
That is money right there! Those are the VZ red grips in G10. Kinda has the look of rosewood to me.
Screw you! You suck! You're gonna cost me some money! That's gonna hafta go on the list too! Now knock that shit off!!