Judging by the amount here not killing people in the streets, again, yes.
uuum? Can Muslims be good American's....
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That changes nothing of the fact that polls are useless. They don't just become useful because you like the outcome.
Well, no arguing that.
If you stop believing in the laws of physics, do they stop existing?
No.
It doesn't work that way.
That's a pretty weak standard for being a good american.
"Hey at least most haven't killed anyone"
That is hardly a glowing endorsement of their willingness to put the Constitution and our legal system above Sharia and the koran
Blimey
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Your response makes no sense as a response to what I posted about how muslims in the US see violence in defense of islam.
Justincase
.308 Win
What he's getting at is you have "faith" in God (believe without seeing), but "know" that science explains things we see, because well, it does
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Huh? Any reasonable person "believes in" science. Are you saying it doesn't exist or that the things it demonstrates are untrue? Don't you believe in the velocity of bullets in relation to barrel length, shape, weight etc? What about what bullets do after hitting various mediums aka terminal ballistics? How about calculating trajectory of a bullet over varying distances? Yeah that's science.
No argument there, but the "they'd kill people for not supporting Sharia" crowd isn't one I'm a part of.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
Not exactly, 33% of the worlds population is Christian, 24% is Muslim, thats a sizable margin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It isn't just killing. Look at at what's happening in Europe. I'm sure you'll say they are assimilating nicely there. Look over here at Dearborn Michigan. Really nice place.
Blimey
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And now look at terror stats per capita, by motivation/religion. Then look at other stats such as economic strength, freedom of the press, etc. and tie that to islamist nations. These nations are nothing like the West. While some Christians will push conversion therapy on gays, islam's version is to simply throw them off buildings or hang them from cranes.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Of course we believe in factual renderings brought forth by science. When I can, I try to understand and adopt them but I put no faith in their eternality. With any science the real scientist must have an open mind, otherwise Einstein would have accepted Newton and moved on. Genetics is the latest and greatest science that explains everything about everything, but it seems everyday there are new discoveries in that science that disprove these acclaimed facts of yesterday. Why, because real scientists keep an open mind in their quest for truth.
Understanding ballistics is an evolving science as well, you can put your faith in what you know and down the road you will be disappointed.
I don't see any real disagreement in what we are trying to get to, just a disagreement caused perhaps by our own interpretation of certain words.
Robin
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Thanks for clarifying. And I don't think anyone thinks what's true today may not be tomorrow. But the truth today is just the best working model we have of whatever we're investigated. Like you said you have to have an open mind to be able to look further into it. When you start saying "ok that's all we can possibly know" or "this is the cause" without any evidence, that's where problems begin.
45USA
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What’s good for our beautiful country is bad for the democrats (fascists) and what’s good for the democrats is bad for our country.. so muzzies are bad.
It is very difficult for people to understand this point if they have never spent time in these countries. The TV only shows so much.
Blimey
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It's certainly hard for those who get their news from huffingtonpost and rachel madow. It really should not take a great deal of research (because it doesn't), to see that highly islamic countries are exceptionally behind the west in every meaningful measure. islam is anti science anti capitalism anti freedom of speech anti basically everything that has made the west the leading source of countries that are winning in terms of economy, education, health care, social freedoms, etc. It's an ideology that leads to severely lagging outcomes.
Here's Forbes' take, and it's certainly no right-wing rag:
Why Have The Islamic Countries Failed To Develop Even With Resources Like Oil, While Countries With No Resources Like Switzerland Have Flourished?
SCIENCE relies on Data.
When the Data is Crap, the Science is Crap.
I could supply you with Data that every Frog is Blue:
Yes, I did observe and document a Blue Frog.
And if you were a Scientist who was funded by the Government to prove all Frogs are Blue, it would be time to publish and cash that check.
Much like the "proof" that an AR-15 is an Assault Weapon because A=Assault and R=Rifle.
Cleck
.308 Win
A Call to the Muslims of the World | Center for Inquiry
If someone wants a good read, check this out. He seems to be calling out the Quran for what it literally is, and clarifies what "good" Muslims or Islamic practicing folks should be saying or doing. He seems to admit that it's some heinous shit, but for the most part, they are and can be good people. I'd say that would cover a lot of folks in a lot of religions. There's assholes in every group. People can read something and take it a completely different way than how it was intended, or they can act completely out of line instead of just saying "I don't agree with you based on my beliefs, but it's your life/right to do that."
It took me a while to read, but it gave me a better understanding of what I thought I knew. It isn't pretty, but I like how he addresses it. I'm sure he's not alone in his thinking.
If someone wants a good read, check this out. He seems to be calling out the Quran for what it literally is, and clarifies what "good" Muslims or Islamic practicing folks should be saying or doing. He seems to admit that it's some heinous shit, but for the most part, they are and can be good people. I'd say that would cover a lot of folks in a lot of religions. There's assholes in every group. People can read something and take it a completely different way than how it was intended, or they can act completely out of line instead of just saying "I don't agree with you based on my beliefs, but it's your life/right to do that."
It took me a while to read, but it gave me a better understanding of what I thought I knew. It isn't pretty, but I like how he addresses it. I'm sure he's not alone in his thinking.