Virginia AG Declares Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities Have ‘No Force Of Law’

[meketrefe]

This is great. The further they push on those counties the further they give them proof what the 2A is really for.
Imagine if instead the 2A the freedome of speech, or religion or civil rights were under exception as dictated by draconian laws drafted in big cities?
Many americans are sick about their constitutional rights being raped all the time.
This is not about public saftey that everyone sane wants to improve.
This is purely about control.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Or you could refuse to follow an illegal law , march to downtown Richmond armed in open defiance of the governor and dare him to take your arms , and make him give the order kill his own citizens and declare war on the people . if not, then the people retain their arms because the Governor is powerless to stop them . what do you think he will do?

A march in open defiance of the gov and law will make him back down , hes faceing an army outside his window and his soldiers are not real happy about the position they're in . what do you think will happen? I think he will attempt to save face and cut some kind of deal . or stand down. He pissed in his own bed and now hes going to have to lay in it.

The people of Virginia are breath away from open rebellion , the police cant stop them and the National guard wont do jack shit because they are the same people hes depriving of rights . You have to look at it from His eyes too.

In my opinion, the people of Virginia are ready for a fight, If they march on Richmond the governor is going to blink. or start a fucking war , I dont think he is going to do that. Its up to the people to go to Richmond and call his bluff, show the country that the emporer has no clothes and this heavy handed tactics wont work there or anywhere else. I see that as a victory. But its risky.

Now picture the alternative, Police begin to arrest protestors , shots are exchanged heavy police and civilian casualties the nation guard does show up and begins isolating pockets of rebels and killing them and arresting them People are rounded up and sent somewhere . and hit and run tactics begin on the police and guard . You really think that pussy of a governor is going to go that far? No way . Hes going to back down because he doesn't have a hair on his ass.

Isn’t that what I said?

 

[holdover]

That's not what I interpreted , What I understood you said was that resistance was futile unless you decide to gun people down. ""individual feel good resistance with no results."" What I advocated was a an armed protest in defiance of the law which places the Governor on the horns of a dilemma whereby no matter which way he chooses he louse's, He may apply force and cross his fingers that his illegal's orders are obeyed and begin arresting and killing his own citizens which would spark an uncontrolable outrage in the entire country , and pray to whatever deity he belives in that he himself isn't arrested and hung or shot for crimes against the United States which he is most likely not going to do , or he can have the people emasculate him on national television in open defiance of a law that he cannot enforce , emboldening every state in the country to do the same. he loses either way. So when you say that a non violent resistance is a waste of time, I disagree. This is an open rebellion by the people daring the Govonor to enforce his illegal law. The way I see it, His only option is to ensure the bill doesn't pass , that's his "'out"" or he can delay it for a few months until things calm down and he can re-assess his situation.What this ass of a man never realized is that people would be ready willing and able to fight and die if need be. Its not political posing, These people are pissed the fuck off and want this nonsense to end now. How it ends will be entirely up to this fucked up baby killing dick sucking individual , he doesn't have any good choices. Scare tactics are not going to work , Its go time, I know he is going to blink first. So yes, I think that nonviolent resistance is a positive step for the people especially against cowards like this. In addition , the sheriffs of different county's are stating that they are willing to deputize their county's , giving them the same protections as law enforcement , making their law null and void. That itself is a nonviolent protest to an illegal law. I cant see the governor winning this. So yes , I think non violent resistance can get results , I would at least hope so .

holdover said:
So your saying just lay down and take it?

That’s all you can do unless you decide to gun down politicians and responding police who are trying to kill you.

Everything else is just individual feel good resistance with no results. Once these laws go into effect, FFL’s aren’t going to risk their freedoms and businesses to sell fully featured AR’s. They aren’t going to keep 30 rd magazines on shelves.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@holdover

Virginians are planning a rally before gun control has been passed while everything is still legal. Why would that sway the governor? If they do another rally after the law is passed with the banned weapons, the governor doesn’t have to do or feel anything. The law is already passed. Mission accomplished. It will be enforced. FFL’s will stop selling.

If we here in NY took up an armed rally with full featured AR’s, is the law going to go away? Will FFL’s begin to start selling everything again?

No. The law won’t go away. No. FFL’s won’t start selling again. The damage is already done. They may not be able to arrest all that day but they will one by one as a person is caught individually.

 

[holdover]

@holdover

Virginians are planning a rally before gun control has been passed while everything is still legal. Why would that sway the governor? If they do another rally after the law is passed with the banned weapons, the governor doesn’t have to do or feel anything. The law is already passed. Mission accomplished. It will be enforced. FFL’s will stop selling.

If we here in NY took up an armed rally with full featured AR’s, is the law going to go away? Will FFL’s begin to start selling everything again?

No. The law won’t go away. No. FFL’s won’t start selling again. The damage is already done. They may not be able to arrest all that day but they will one by one as a person is caught individually.

I suppose it wouldn't sway the governor at all. The rally is set for Jan 20th , My understanding is that it will be signed into law shortly after the new year when the democrats are sworn in. Otherwise your right, it would serve no purpose.

Well theres where your wrong . How would the governor enforce his law that was already passed? Assumeing its passed before the rally. Mission is not accomplished if they cannot arrest 15000 armed men in the capital.

If we took up an armed march on the capital the law wont go away , but can it be enforced ? 7000 state troopers are going to arrest 15000 armed men? Is that what you think? No, it demonstrates that the people hold the real power as long as they are armed. Just Having 15000 men with Ars demonstrates that his laws are not being enforced because they cant .

One by one? really? No. They haven't arrested gun owners en mass or there would be 15000 men in the capital with Ars.

So your advocating a full blown assault on the government because nothing else will work. Am I correct? Or are you saying its an unwinnable problem so we may as well comply? Whats your solution?

 

[holdover]

By the way do you really think The National Guard would follow his illegal orders? the ones the police refuse to enforce? Really?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I suppose it wouldn't sway the governor at all. The rally is set for Jan 20th , My understanding is that it will be signed into law shortly after the new year when the democrats are sworn in. Otherwise your right, it would serve no purpose.

Well theres where your wrong . How would the governor enforce his law that was already passed? Assumeing its passed before the rally. Mission is not accomplished if they cannot arrest 15000 armed men in the capital.

If we took up an armed march on the capital the law wont go away , but can it be enforced ? 7000 state troopers are going to arrest 15000 armed men? Is that what you think? No, it demonstrates that the people hold the real power as long as they are armed. Just Having 15000 men with Ars demonstrates that his laws are not being enforced because they cant .

One by one? really? No. They haven't arrested gun owners en mass or there would be 15000 men in the capital with Ars.

So your advocating a full blown assault on the government because nothing else will work. Am I correct? Or are you saying its an unwinnable problem so we may as well comply? Whats your solution?

How is the mission not accomplished if it is passed? He doesn’t have to arrest everyone at the rally. But individually he can in the future because no one will go out alone with them in public by themselves unless it’s another mass rally. Mission Accomplished because they aren’t sold anymore to new shooters anymore and eventually those that didn’t register will die. The law will still be there after they died. The law isn’t going away unless they flat out take over the government by force and institute another one like I said.

An armed rally where one doesn’t take over the government is useless like I said. The law is still there.

 

[Marine Cpl]

By the way do you really think The National Guard would follow his illegal orders? the ones the police refuse to enforce? Really?

We already went through this. That’s far fetched. All talk. Does the NY National Guard need to confiscate guns in closets? No. No one really takes them out in public. Mission accomplished.

 

[holdover]

How is the mission not accomplished if it is passed?

Pretty simple , #1 passing a law doesn't accomplish jack shit if you cant enforce it. The police dont have the man power time or desire to enforce it. How you are saying mission accomplished is beyond me. Did cuomo get rid of the Ars in NY by passing his bullshit law? was the mission accomplished when nobody registered under penalty of law? Did Cuomos laws stop people from buying arms out of state? Mission accomplished? I think not. the goal wasnt to pass a law but to disarm the public, He failed. He disarmed nobody . So you can pass all the laws you want and then claim victory , but the reality is different. The police arnt going house to house, the National guard isnt going house to house, the laws cannot be enforced and you think thats a win? Do you know how many laws are on the books that are not enforced?

 

[Acer-m14]

hopefully the VANG knows of the kent state shooting in the 70's and don't want to be the ones to fire the first shot . ..

 

[holdover]

We already went through this. That’s far fetched. All talk. Does the NY National Guard need to confiscate guns in closets? No. No one really takes them out in public. Mission accomplished.

You have a very strange idea of mission accomplished. the law didn't disarm anyone. People shoot their illegal Ars everyday in NY and the police do nothing.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is getting interesting... Possibly scary interesting.

Laws mean very little to so many of our elected elite.

The Constitution seems to mean even less.

Court orders and decisions mean very little as well.


Some of us were talking the other day about Coup's, bad times are definitely ahead of us!

 

[holdover]

hopefully the VANG knows of the kent state shooting in the 70's and don't want to be the ones to fire the first shot . ..

The difference between then and now was a country split on the war in Vietnam , the people who spit on the soldiers , the hippes hated the military , and the military hated the hippies . there clashes of violence throughout the whole war . That doesn't exist today, many of the protestors are vets and former military, they have no hatetred for the guard . and the guard has no hatetred for the protestors

 

[Acer-m14]

@holdover yeah .. but now you have 2 groups of armed people ..

That doesn't exist today, many of the protestors are vets and former military, they have no hatetred for the guard . and the guard has no hatetred for the protestors

true ... but if not ( and it only take one in the group) .. its not going to come out well

 

[holdover]

An armed rally where one doesn’t take over the government is useless like I said. The law is still there.

if people dont follow the law, what use is the law? if the government cant enforce the laws it makes, what use is the law?

 

[holdover]

@holdover yeah .. but now you have 2 groups of armed people ..



true ... but if not ( and it only take one in the group) .. its not going to come out well

Well maybe not, But the Guard isn't going to deploy anyway.

 

[holdover]

Just this past Tuesday, on December 10th, the Board of Supervisors from Tazewell County passed two different resolutions in light of controversy circling those who are pro-gun. The first resolution declared the county to be a second amendment sanctuary. This is not at all surprising to see, as 76 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 13 towns have adopted second amendment sanctuary resolutions.


The second item on the agenda was the proposition of establishing a militia in the county. When both of the resolutions passed, the crowd cheered loudly in support of the decisions. Also, the resolutions didn’t exactly pass by a small margin; the votes were unanimous, with more than 200 citizens standing by in support. (source)

“Our position is that Article I, Section 13, of the Constitution of Virginia reserves the right to ‘order’ militia to the localities. Therefore, counties, not the state, determine what types of arms may be carried in their territory and by whom. So, we are ‘ordering’ the militia by making sure everyone can own a weapon.”

Thus, if anyone from the state tries to remove the Sheriff from their elected office because they refuse to enforce unjust laws, those state officials will be faced with a lawful militia composed of citizens within the state.

county is taking their militia element very seriously as the new ordinance calls for concealed weapons training for any resident of the county that can lawfully own a gun.

They’ve also called for schools to adopt firearms safety training programs.
SB64, the bill, according to Self Defense Company, would “instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons.” They also claim that it would criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.

Tazewell County Virginia Forms Militia To Protect Its Sheriffs Who Will Not Confiscate – Investment Watch Blog

So you explain to me how the state is going to enforce their law against sworn deputy's since the law doesn't apply to LE?

Mission accomplished? NO. a dead law with no way of enforcement.

 

[Marine Cpl]

if people dont follow the law, what use is the law? if the government cant enforce the laws it makes, what use is the law?

@holdover

Yes. The mission was accomplished and the law is working as designed. Can you go to the store to buy 30 rd magazines? How about a Tavor bull pup? Can you buy that if you want it now? Can you buy a new AK or a new Scorpion Evo? How about your grandson? Will he be able to buy any of those weapons? That’s the point of passing these laws. They don’t care about what you have in your closet. It will get turned in eventually.

They don’t need to go house to house for the law to be enforced and pick up what you have hidden in your closet. You can’t buy shit here in NY and soon to be in Virginia and soon federally and soon AR’s will be banned by receiver so that you cannot build one and when you die, your gun will die with you and the law will still be there preventing new people from buying that new and improved semi auto with a pistol grip. That gun in your closet will be turned in after your funeral and if not right away, in a few years when whoever is left dies in your family and the house is sold. Just like grandpa’s full auto M14 he brought back from the war. Where is that gun? Where is his dad’s Tommy gun? Where you able to get it transferred to you?

The real mission of these laws is to stop new ownership. Do you honestly think that 25 years from now after your death, people will be running around with full featured AR’s here?

Please. As it stands, most don’t take them out in public. Sure some do but the majority don’t. That’s a fact. Every time I go to the public range, I see featureless and fixed mags. Hunters out in the woods tote the same complaint rifles. And those that registered theirs will lose them at their death too.

You are arguing just to argue or you really cannot see the big picture. Once a law is passed, it is over no matter how many people think they are getting over by hiding something in their closet.

Long game. No offense but you have to think further than just where you are standing.

 

[Marine Cpl]

My ideal gun would be a Tavor with 13 inch barrel and 20 rd magazines. I cannot buy it. And if the law gets passed federally before I retire and move away, I’ll never be able to buy it.

 

[meketrefe]

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[holdover]

@holdover

Do you honestly think that 25 years from now after your death,

Hey, What are you trying to say!

@holdover

You are arguing just to argue or you really cannot see the big picture. Once a law is passed, it is over no matter how many people think they are getting over by hiding something in their closet.

How's that drug war going? How many homicides and robberies and rapes happened last year? Passing a law means jack squat . Enforcing the law is everything. Just throwing your arms up in the air and quitting and going along with an illegal law is basically giving up.

@holdover

Will he be able to buy any of those weapons? That’s the point of passing these laws. They don’t care about what you have in your closet. It will get turned in eventually.
The real mission of these laws is to stop new ownership. Do you honestly think that 25 years from now after your death, people will be running around with full featured AR’s here?

If the sheriffs resist, and legally deputize gun owners ,as they say they will do How in the fuck can the law be enforced? They have become legal law enforcement officers . How is the government going to disarm them? Pass another law? and they can still buy guns and mags legally.
resistance to these laws are your duty as a citizen , soldier or law enforcement. Guns will still be available to them .

Theres a massive legal loophole in the law That you wont address , the law in impotent because it cannot be enforced. They can still do everything you said they cant, and your claiming its all over , I don't see it that way. Quitting is not an option.

Im not arguing with you because I dont understand your point , I just dont agree with it.

 

[livingston]

This is getting interesting... Possibly scary interesting.

Laws mean very little to so many of our elected elite.

The Constitution seems to mean even less.

Court orders and decisions mean very little as well.


Some of us were talking the other day about Coup's, bad times are definitely ahead of us!

 

[Paxal]

Virginia AG Declares Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities Have ‘No Force Of Law’
JUST IN: @AGMarkHerring issues legal opinion declaring gun-rights decrees adopted by more than 100 Virginia localities have no force of law – that they represent a groundless effort to void firearms restrictions.

— Jeff E. Schapiro (@RTDSchapiro) December 20, 2019
Herring wrote in the opinion. “Neither the Federal Constitution nor Virginia law recognizes any “anti-commandeering” principle that allows localities or local constitutional officers to refuse to participate in the enforcement of state law.”
Three Virginia counties — Arlington, Chesterfield, and Fairfax — are currently sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants, flaunting federal immigration law.

Virginia AG Declares Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities Have ‘No Force Of Law’

Virginia AG Mark Herring issued a legal opinion declaring that the second Amendment sanctuary city decrees of more than 100 localities have

dailycaller.com

AT least as much force in law as ‘sanctary city’ laws, with the addaed advantage of having the full force of the Constitution behind them.

 

[spat]

lets not forget in reality these types of gun laws are enforced already here in states across the country. There's always been and will be a start of a new beginning, for better or worse. Is the confiscation talk really even the important picture or more of a feared distraction? People can avoid confiscation in numerous ways like every other state did anyways. The after math is more important once people calm down. If this ends up happening, police WILL enforce these laws at traffic stops, at your local range trip etc. FFL's on the internet and local gun stores will no longer carry or sell these common life and liberty firearms anymore to virginians. That's when it really starts hurting everyone. You avoided confiscation, but now you can't take those rifles or pistols out anywhere, and you sure as hell won't find them for sale locally because FFL holders don't want to go to prison either. Kinda like the safe act in NY...

The moral of the story is, you can have an outstanding initial resistance, but in the end it didn't solve anything. I do not believe that a sanctuary county has any real strength from these laws being enforced. I say this because if Joe Shmoe wants to take a trip with his buddy to the indoor range in town to test out his new AR pistol he never fired yet, the FFL isn't going to want them shooting there with "that thing" anymore because it's illegal to posses. Where there are gun stores, there are also officers hanging out, or asshole FUDDs that support this type of legislation. Any implication that could end badly for an FFL or anyone in anyway, no matter how minor, is not something worth loosing businesses over or getting prison time.

So they can avoid confiscation, but that's really just the proverbial tip of the iceberg if the laws pass. I only mention it because everywhere in the united states that have these gun laws are enforced this way. Why on earth would another democrat controlled state be any different? Also another important reality is that, there are already many thousands of people living in Virginia that will comply with these laws even if they don't agree with it. Many that will also comply that DO agree with them. The pissed off gun owners don't unfortunately represent the whole state. My

Depends how frisky the resistance gets.

If the governor gets dragged out of his house in the middle of the night by an angry mob for signing this thing I think there will be no going back.

 

[holdover]

The conundrum begins if the sheriffs deputize the people in their county's like they say they will . The law is not applicable to LEOS. So how can they be disarmed when the law no longer applies to them? The system has various checks and balances on tyranny if the people in charge choose to do it.

I remember Sherriff Howard telling the governor to stick it in his ass when he was threated with being arrested or removed . He said he would deputize the whole county .

 

[Marine Cpl]

The conundrum begins if the sheriffs deputize the people in their county's like they say they will . The law is not applicable to LEOS. So how can they be disarmed when the law no longer applies to them? The system has various checks and balances on tyranny if the people in charge choose to do it.

I remember Sherriff Howard telling the governor to stick it in his ass when he was threated with being arrested or removed . He said he would deputize the whole county .

I believe that’s all talk and rhetoric . Is he going to deputize everyone? A 21 year old kid? How about good inner city youth? What would be the criteria for him to deem you good enough to deputize you? Would a new resident that recently moved from New Jersey get deputized so that he can keep his guns? Will newly deputized citizens that now have qualified immunity bring lawsuits to the county if a shooting goes wrong instead?

 

[Marine Cpl]

How's that drug war going? How many homicides and robberies and rapes happened last year? Passing a law means jack squat . Enforcing the law is everything. Just throwing your arms up in the air and quitting and going along with an illegal law is basically giving up.

I already explained what the law does. Can I buy the Tavor SBR or the new Scorpion Evo?

Will drug dealers now carry those weapons to sell and will the police now work with them and look the other way?

Will the federal government look the other way because I bought from a drug dealer without a NICS check or will drug dealers be performing NICS checks to look out for their customers?

 

[spat]

I already explained what the law does. Can I buy the Tavor SBR or the new Scorpion Evo?

Will drug dealers now carry those weapons to sell and will the police now work with them and look the other way?

Will the federal government look the other way because I bought from a drug dealer without a NICS check or will drug dealers be performing NICS checks to look out for their customers?

Any new law they pass can be no more effective than the drug laws.

What they will do is make hundreds of thousands of people into felons. People who have less respect for the law and a strong incentive to resist with significant force any attempt to enforce it.

It also means that all existing gun laws will be no more effective than the existing drug laws. Right now, nobody defends their house with anti personnel mines, because it's illegal and you can use a shotgun.

If the claymore is just as illegal as the shotgun, it's a lot more effective.

Want to serve a warrant on a home defended by mines ?

 

[holdover]

Marine Cpl, post:
I believe that’s all talk and rhetoric .

I believe in the Easter bunny.

Is he going to deputize everyone? A 21 year old kid? How about good inner city youth?

why the hell not?

What would be the criteria for him to deem you good enough to deputize you?

Ask the Sherriff .

Would a new resident that recently moved from New Jersey get deputized so that he can keep his guns?

Why not? as long as they reside there.

Will newly deputized citizens that now have qualified immunity bring lawsuits to the county if a shooting goes wrong instead?

Dont understand the question.[/QUOTE]

 

[GOPerfect]

We, as Americans cannot and will not win. Ever. I am not saying lay down and hide though. Our republic is in serious trouble. It is getting worse by the day. As individuals and small groups, nothing can alter what we are facing. Nothing.

Prepare for the day of serious insurrection. That day will be upon us before you know it.