War in israel?

[holdover]

You do realize that they purchased land from the Ottoman Empire which was uninhabited and were legally given additional land be the League of Nations and afterwards took over many of those cities you listed above after the War of 1948.

Do some more Google. You need it.

Mind showing me a link to the retarded history story your telling?

1095 – 1099
Pope Urban Calls for 1st Crusade
The Crusaders captured Palestine just after the turn of the first millennium. The Crusades were a series of religious wars between the 11th and the 15th centuries fought by the Roman Church. Many were expeditions by Christians attempting to capture the Holy Lands from the Muslims:

1187
Saladin’s Campaign
The First Crusade was followed by the Second to the Ninth. They were not always what the Church desired. Crusaders often pillaged and they often retained control of lands they captured rather than returning it to the Byzantines. The Fourth Crusade (1202-4) was requested by Pope Innocent 3rd to recapture Jerusalem from the Muslims via Egypt. It ended in the sacking of Constantinople (now called Istanbul) and the beginning of the end for the Byzantine Empire.
The population of Palestine was mostly Christian until 1187 when Saladin, a Sunni Muslim of Kurdish origin, led a military campaign against the Crusaders. He became Sultan of Egypt and Syria, and his conquests included Egypt, Syria, Upper Mesopotamia (north Iraq, northeastern Syria and southwestern Turkey), Hejaz, Yemen and into North Africa. Saladin took Palestine (and Jerusalem) from the Crusaders at the Battle of Hattin in 1187.

Pope Urban 2nd called the first Crusade in 1095. It started as a pilgrimage and ended as a military expedition. Urban was hoping to unite the Christian Church that had fractured into the East-West Schism.

1250 – 1517
The Mamluk Sultanate
The Mamluk Sultanate continued the Islamic control of Palestine until they were overthrown by the Ottomans in 1516.

The Mamluk Sultanate (1250 – 1517) was created following France’s attempt to conquer Egypt in the Seventh Crusade. At its zenith, it spanned Egypt, the Levant and Hejaz. It overthrew the Ayyubid Dynasty and lasted until 1517 when the Ottomans conquered Egypt.

The Ottoman Empire, also known as the Turkish Empire, was founded 1299 by Osman 1st of the Oghuz Turks in Anatolia. The Ottomans conquered Constantinople and ended the Byzantine Empire in 1453. They went on to control much of Southeast Europe, Western Asia, the Caucasus, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. There was a majority of Muslims in the Ottoman Empire, but non-Muslim communities were protected under the law. They were defeated after six centuries at the end of the First World War.

In 1600 the population of Palestine consisted (approximately) of 219,000 Muslims, 11,000 Christians, and 2,000 Jews.

1882 – 1903
Jewish Migration
From 1882 to 1903 25,000-35,000 Jews migrated to Ottoman Syria (which included Palestine).
By the end of the 19th century Zionism had arisen and the Zionist migration started. Zionism was defined as the creation of a home for the Jewish people in Palestine. The aim seemed reasonable but for the fact that Palestine was already inhabited. That fact was carefully ignored, though not by all Jewish leaders – Ahad Ha’am, when visiting, observed that it was hard to find land that was not cultivated. There was an indigenous people, predominantly Muslim, living in that area who had to be displaced if Israel was to be created. Their rights were not considered.


1915
Britain’s Promise of Independence
In the years leading up to the First World War there was growing Arab hostility against the Ottomans. One of the leaders was Sherif Hussein, Emir of Mecca, and he was negotiating with the British. Hussein wanted a British guarantee of an independent Arab state including the Hejaz, Syria and Mesopotamia in return for rising against the Ottomans. The Ottoman sultan had called to all Muslims for a jihad against the British Empire, especially in India. Britain was worried about this and saw Hussein as a buffer.


1917
The Balfour Declaration
In 1917, the British Secretary of State, Arthur Balfour wrote to Lord Rothschild (a member of the British Jewish community) promising British support for a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. Britain considered that the Jewish need was of greater importance than the rights of the Palestinians already living there.


1917 – 1918
Britain Secures Jerusalem & Defeats Ottomans
The British secured Jerusalem by 1917 and completed the victory over the Ottomans in 1918.

Unfortunately, Britain had made three different promises to three different parties – the Arabs, the French and the Zionists. The aims of these three were at odds as the Arabs wanted an independent state, the French wanted colonies, and the Zionists wanted to establish Israel. So Britain and France excluded the Arabs and signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement that divided up the area between them. Britain would control Palestine, Jordan, south Iraq, Haifa and Acre; France would control Turkey, north Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

1920
The League of Nations Palestine Population report
In 1920 a League of Nations report suggested that the population of Palestine was about 700,000 of whom 80% were Muslims. .

The Crusades - Welcome To Palestine

 

[holdover]

Region of Palestine was conqueredby the Islamic Empire following the 636 CE Battle of Yarmouk during the Muslim conquest of Syria, and the Muslims gave relief from burdensome Roman taxes and religious persecution of Christian heretics.[citation needed] The country was incorporated into Bilad al-Sham Province as military districts of Urdunn and Filastin. In 661 CE, with the assassination of Ali, Muawiyah I became the uncontested Caliph of the Islamic World after being crowned in Jerusalem. In 691, the Dome of the Rock became the world's first great work of Islamic architecture. The Umayyads were replaced by the Abbasids in 750. From 878 Palestine was ruled from Egypt by semi-autonomous rulers for almost a century, beginning with Ahmad ibn Tulun and ending with the Ikhshidid rulers who were both buried in Jerusalem. The Fatimids conquered the region in 969. In 1073, Palestine was captured by the Great Seljuq Empire, only to be recaptured by the Fatimids in 1098, who then lost the region to the Crusaders in 1099. Crusader control of Jerusalem and most of Palestine as the Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted almost a century until defeat by Saladin's forces in 1187, after which most of Palestine became controlled by the Ayyubids. A rump Crusader state in the northern coastal cities survived for another century, but despite seven further Crusades, the Crusaders were no longer a significant power in the region. The Mamluk Sultanate was indirectly created in Egypt as a result of the Seventh Crusade. The Mongol Empire reached Palestine for the first time in 1260, beginning with the raids into the Levant under Nestorian Christian general Kitbuqa and reaching an apex at the pivotal Battle of Ain Jalut. In 1486, hostilities broke out between the Mamluks and the Ottoman Turks and the Ottomans captured Mamluk Palestine and Syria in 1516.

The Ottoman rule of the country lasted for four centuries, administratively included in the provinces of Ottoman Syria. In 1832, the region was conquered by Muhammad Ali's Egypt, but, in 1840, Britain intervened and returned control of the Levant to the Ottomans in return for further capitulations.[citation needed] The turbulent period of Egyptian rule experienced two major revolts (the 1834 Arab Peasants revolt and 1838 Druze revolt) and a significant demographic change in coastal areas, repopulated by Egyptian Arab peasants and former soldiers of Muhammad Ali. Late 19th century was the timing for regional migrations of Druze, Circassians and Bedouin tribes and also the spike of Jewish immigration and the revival of the Hebrew language. Increasing Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries added considerably to the Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias and Jaffa.[8]

During World War I the British government issued the Balfour Declaration of 1917, stating that the British Government favors the establishment of national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. The British captured Jerusalem a month later. The League of Nations formally awarded Britain a mandate over Palestine in 1922. The land west of the Jordan River was under direct British administration until 1948, while the land east of the Jordan was a semi-autonomous region known as Transjordan Emirate, under the rule of the Hashemite family from the Hijaz, and gained independence in 1946. The 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine was a nationalist uprising by Palestinian Arabs against British colonial rule and mass Jewish immigration. After the Nazi Holocaust, pressure grew for the international recognition of a Jewish state in Palestine. In 1947, the British Government announced its intention to terminate the Mandate. The United Nations General Assembly voted to partition British Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish states, with a special international regime for Jerusalem. The Arabs rejected the partition of Palestine and civil war erupted in the immediate aftermath.

The Jews of British Palestine declared the independence of the State of Israel in May 1948. During the 1948 Palestine War, Israel overran far more territory than was proposed by the Partition Plan; Jordan captured and annexed the West Bank, while in the Gaza Strip the All-Palestine Government was announced in September 1948. In what is known as the Nakba, or "Catastrophe", hundreds of Palestinian villages and over 70,000 Palestinian homes were ruined and destroyed.[9] 700,000 Palestinians fled or were driven out of their homes by the Israelis. The Palestinian refugees were unable to return following the Lausanne Conference, 1949.[citation needed] The question of the Palestinian right to return of the refugees and their descendants remains a source of dispute.[10] During and after the 1948 war, a wave of Jewish refugees from Arab countries arrived in the newly created state of Israel. The All-Palestine Government was shortly moved from Gaza to Cairo and eventually dissolved in 1959 by Egyptian President Nasser. Gaza was taken into Egyptian military administration until 1967.
The Palestinian national movement gradually regrouped in the West Bank and Gaza, and in refugee camps in neighbouring Arab states. The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) emerged as its leading umbrella group in 1965. During the Six-Day War in June 1967, Israel seized East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan and Gaza from Egypt, as well as the Golan Heights from Syria. Despite international objections and UN resolutions calling them illegal, Israel began a policy of establishing Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories.[11] The PLO under Yasser Arafat gradually won international recognition as the representative of the Palestinian people. From 1987 to 1993, the First Palestinian Intifada against Israel took place, ending with the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords. These accords established a Palestinian National Authority as an interim body to run parts of Gaza and the West Bank (but not East Jerusalem) pending an agreed solution to the conflict. During the Second Intifada (2000–2005), Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and began building the West Bank barrier. In 2006, Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections and took control of the Gaza Strip in 2007, triggering the Israeli and Egyptian Blockade of the Gaza Strip (2007-the present). In 2008–09 and again in 2014, Israel and Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip engaged in warfare. In November 2012, the State of Palestine was upgraded in the UN to non-member observer state status, a move that allows it to take part in General Assembly debates and improves its chances of joining other UN agencies.







Will please me the link where it said the land was uninhabited. What a bunch of bullshit . the history of that place goes back to Alexander the Great What the fuck Will? Empty land my ass , the only thing empty is your head. Now give me the fucking link that claims the land was uninhabited. I want to see this bullshit first hand.

 

[holdover]

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, generally defined as a geographic region in the Southern Levant between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today), and various adjoining lands. Situated at a strategic point between Europe, Asia, and Africa, and the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity,[1] the region has a long and tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. The Palestine region or parts of it have been controlled by numerous different peoples and regional powers, including the Canaanites, Amorites,[2] Ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Moabites, Ammonites, Tjeker, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, different dynasties of the Early Muslim period (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), Crusaders, Late Muslim dynasties (Ayyubids, Mamluks, Ottoman Turks), the British, Jordanians (1948–1967, on the "West Bank") and Egyptians (in Gaza), and modern Israelis and Palestinians. Other terms for approximate geographic area include Canaan, Zion, the Land of Israel, Southern Syria, Outremer and the Holy Land.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. During the Early and Middle Bronze Age, independent Canaanite city-states were established, and were influenced by the surrounding civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Minoan Crete, and Syria. During Late Bronze Age 1550–1400 BCE, the Canaanite cities became vassals to the Egyptian New Kingdom who held power until the 1178 BCE Battle of Djahy (Canaan) during the wider Bronze Age collapse. Modern archaeologists dispute parts of the Biblical tradition, the latest thinking being that the Israelites emerged from a dramatic social transformation that took place in the people of the central hill country of Canaan around 1200 BCE, with no signs of violent invasion or even of peaceful infiltration of a clearly defined ethnic group from elsewhere.[3] The Philistines, part of Sea Peoples of Southern Europe, arrived and mingled with the local Canaanite population, and according to Biblical tradition, the United Kingdom of Israel was established in 1020 BCE and split within a century to form the northern Kingdom of Israel, and the southern Kingdom of Judah. The region became part of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from c. 740 BCE, which was itself replaced by the Neo-Babylonian Empire in c. 627 BCE. A war of Baylonians with Judean Kingdom culminated in 586 BCE when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II and the local leaders were deported to Babylonia, only to be allowed to return under the rule of the Achaemenid Empire.

In the 330s BCE, Alexander the Great conquered the coastline of the region of Palestine, and it changed hands numerous times during the wars of the Diadochi, ultimately joining the Seleucid Empire between 219 and 200 BCE. In 116 BCE, a Seleucid civil war resulted in the independence of certain regions including the minor Hasmonean principality in the Judean Mountains. From 110 BCE, the Hasmoneans extended their authority over much of the area, creating a Judean–Samaritan–Idumaean–Ituraean–Galilean alliance.[4] The Judean (Jewish, see Ioudaioi) control over the wider region resulted in it also becoming known as Hasmonean Judaea, a term that had previously only referred to the smaller region of the Judean Mountains. During 73–63 BCE, the Roman Republic extended its influence into the region in the Third Mithridatic War, making Judea a vassal kingdom in 63 BCE, and splitting the Hasmonean Kingdom into five districts. After several decades as vassal of the Roman Empire, the Herodian kingdom and tetrarchy was gradually absorbed into Roman Empire as the Roman Judea. Between 66 and 135 CE massive Judean revolts troubled the province, resulting in sack of Jerusalem and extensive depopulation of the country. Jews were prohibited from living in the vicinity of Jerusalem,[5] and in 132 Jerusalem was renamed "Aelia Capitolina". As a result, many Jewish landowners converted to the Ebionim to maintain their properties.[6] After the Bar Kokhba revolt Hadrian joined the province of Judaea with Syria to form a new province and renamed it Syria Palaestina. During 259–272, the region briefly fell under the rule of Odaenathus as King of the Palmyrene Empire. Following the victory of Christian emperor Constantine in the Civil Wars of the Tetrarchy (306–324), the Christianization of the Roman Empire began, and in 326, Constantine's mother Saint Helena visited Jerusalem and began the construction of churches and shrines. Byzantine Palestine became a center of Christianity, attracting numerous monks and religious scholars. Persecution of Ebionites led to their dispersion to Arabia and the Parthian Empire.[7] The Christians gradually gained dominance demographically, especially after the Samaritan Revolts during late Byzantine period, which had caused the near extinction of Samaritans. In early 7th century the region briefly fell under the Sasanian Empire and Jewish rebels, until the return of Byzantines in 625-9.

 

[holdover]

 

[Marine Cpl]

Will please me the link where it said the land was uninhabited. What a bunch of bullshit . the history of that place goes back to Alexander the Great What the fuck Will? Empty land my ass , the only thing empty is your head. Now give me the fucking link that claims the land was uninhabited. I want to see this bullshit first hand.

Mind showing me a link to the retarded history story your telling?

You don't really think all of Palestine was inhabited now do you? You think there were metropolitan cities that spanned hundreds of miles across the whole desert? Really. Holdover.

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

Is it true that Israel stole Palestinian land?

Israel bought the land first - Conservative News and Views

 

[Marine Cpl]

And you do realize that your cut and paste shows multiple rules in Palestine. Every one of those rulers took possession of the land from someone else. The Jews bought a lot of the land from the Ottoman Empire who got it from someone else. And guess what? They had the land before the Arab conquest not that any of that shit matters.

I don't know what your beef is. It's their land now and they have every right to protect themselves against attack on their civilians with brute non politically correct force if need be.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It goes like this Holdover. Do you recognize that Israel owns that land?

Do you recognize that the US owns the land it now occupies?

Do you recognize Russia and the land it now owns?

Do those countries have a duty to protect it's citizens?

I can't believe this has to be explained to you. Don't let your hate cloud your intellect. The Indians and Mongolians... Ahh. Nevermind. You are smart enough to get the point.

And please no more cut and pastes. It shows you are learning as you go along. You can see such if you read your posts from the beginning and it shows that your hatred and bias was based on not knowing the facts.

 

[Robin]

Maybe China should get out of Tibet.
Robin

 

[tirwin1]

The history is interesting but only up to a point. Both sides have valid claims. Both sides can point to atrocities committed by the other side last week, last month, last year....a thousand years ago. None of that is really relevant. If the two sides wanted peace they could achieve it. The hardcore arab groups backed by Iran will continue to call for Israel's destruction and kill the jews. The Israelis will do anything they feel is necessary to defend themselves, no matter how many civilians they kill - including proactive, unprovoked attacks in Iraq, Syria and Gaza. The cycle goes on - wash, rinse, repeat.

The only good thing about this mess is that for the first time the US now produces as much oil as it needs on a daily basis. We are now energy independent and no longer subject to the blackmail of OPEC. We can get out of that part of the world and let the wolves sort it out on their own. The proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia may at some point turn into outright war between those two. That's when things will get interesting. But once again - we won't care, nor should we.

 

[holdover]

It goes like this Holdover. Do you recognize that Israel owns that land? YES

Do you recognize that the US owns the land it now occupies? Yes

Do you recognize Russia and the land it now owns? Yes

Do those countries have a duty to protect it's citizens? Yes



And please no more cut and pastes. It shows you are learning as you go along. You can see such if you read your posts from the beginning and it shows that your hatred and bias was based on not knowing the facts.

The cut and pastes, are sources to demonstrate the fact that people lived there and it wasn't empty land .

My hatred is toward stupidity and injustice. Its nothing like your hatred of the Muslims. I don't give a flying fuck where the finger of guilt points , I call it like I see it. No favoritism , no special treatment, ally or no ally. If I were talking about the French , You dont call me anti French, when I criticize US policy's you don't call me Anti American . when I criticize Mexico's policy you don't call me anti Mexican .Yet when I criticize Israel, Im anti Semitic . The problem there isn't race or even religion, its a land dispute. Who is right or wrong and how to solve it is beyond my pay grade. But it is solvable.

Your assertion that nobody lived there when the Jewish people were given the land is an absolute fabrication, Your assertion that Im an anti Semite, because I don't agree with Israel's policy's is absolute bullshit.

Heres some more cut and paste that prove people were living there.

During the British Mandate period the area experienced the ascent of two major nationalist movements, one among the Jews and the other among the Arabs. The competing national interests of the Arab and Jewish populations of Palestine against each other and against the governing British authorities matured into the Arab Revolt of 1936–1939 and the Jewish insurgency in Palestine before culminating in the Civil War of 1947–1948. The aftermath of the Civil War and the consequent 1948 Arab–Israeli War led to the establishment of the 1949 cease-fire agreement, with partition of the former Mandatory Palestine between the newborn state of Israel with a Jewish majority, the Arab West Bank annexed by the Jordanian Kingdom and the Arab All-Palestine Government in the Gaza Strip under the protectorate of Egypt.
History of Palestine under the British Mandate
1920s
Following its occupation by British troops in 1917–1918, Palestine was governed by the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration. In July 1920 a civilian administration headed by a High Commissioner replaced the military administration.[5] The first High Commissioner, Herbert Samuel, a Zionist and a recent British cabinet minister, arrived in Palestine on 20 June 1920 to take up his appointment from 1 July.

Following the arrival of the British, the inhabitants established Muslim-Christian Associations in all the major towns.[6] In 1919 they joined to hold the first Palestine Arab Congress in Jerusalem.[7] Its aimed primarily at representative government and opposition to the Balfour Declaration.[8]

Did the Jewish people buy the land from the Turks before or after British took control of Palestine? The British owned the land by conquest .The same way the US took it or the Israelis took it.

Saying nobody lived there is nonsense , its a provable fact that they did, for a long time. Just drop that bullshit argument already.

 

[Pale Rider]

Sooooo,

Should the Israelis be able to reek complete destruction of the Gaza strip because they shoot rockets across the boarder?

I ask, just out of ignorance, kind of.

Well, considering that the Palestinians just sent 500 more rockets across the border, it's obvious that Israel hasn't 'reeked" enough destruction over there yet.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It goes like this Holdover. Do you recognize that Israel owns that land? YES

Do you recognize that the US owns the land it now occupies? Yes

Do you recognize Russia and the land it now owns? Yes

Do those countries have a duty to protect it's citizens? Yes



And please no more cut and pastes. It shows you are learning as you go along. You can see such if you read your posts from the beginning and it shows that your hatred and bias was based on not knowing the facts.

The cut and pastes, are sources to demonstrate the fact that people lived there and it wasn't empty land .

My hatred is toward stupidity and injustice. Its nothing like your hatred of the Muslims. I don't give a flying fuck where the finger of guilt points , I call it like I see it. No favoritism , no special treatment, ally or no ally. If I were talking about the French , You dont call me anti French, when I criticize US policy's you don't call me Anti American . when I criticize Mexico's policy you don't call me anti Mexican .Yet when I criticize Israel, Im anti Semitic . The problem there isn't race or even religion, its a land dispute. Who is right or wrong and how to solve it is beyond my pay grade. But it is solvable.

Your assertion that nobody lived there when the Jewish people were given the land is an absolute fabrication, Your assertion that Im an anti Semite, because I don't agree with Israel's policy's is absolute bullshit.

Heres some more cut and paste that prove people were living there.

During the British Mandate period the area experienced the ascent of two major nationalist movements, one among the Jews and the other among the Arabs. The competing national interests of the Arab and Jewish populations of Palestine against each other and against the governing British authorities matured into the Arab Revolt of 1936–1939 and the Jewish insurgency in Palestine before culminating in the Civil War of 1947–1948. The aftermath of the Civil War and the consequent 1948 Arab–Israeli War led to the establishment of the 1949 cease-fire agreement, with partition of the former Mandatory Palestine between the newborn state of Israel with a Jewish majority, the Arab West Bank annexed by the Jordanian Kingdom and the Arab All-Palestine Government in the Gaza Strip under the protectorate of Egypt.
History of Palestine under the British Mandate
1920s
Following its occupation by British troops in 1917–1918, Palestine was governed by the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration. In July 1920 a civilian administration headed by a High Commissioner replaced the military administration.[5] The first High Commissioner, Herbert Samuel, a Zionist and a recent British cabinet minister, arrived in Palestine on 20 June 1920 to take up his appointment from 1 July.

Following the arrival of the British, the inhabitants established Muslim-Christian Associations in all the major towns.[6] In 1919 they joined to hold the first Palestine Arab Congress in Jerusalem.[7] Its aimed primarily at representative government and opposition to the Balfour Declaration.[8]

Did the Jewish people buy the land from the Turks before or after British took control of Palestine? The British owned the land by conquest .The same way the US took it or the Israelis took it.

Saying nobody lived there is nonsense , its a provable fact that they did, for a long time. Just drop that bullshit argument already.

@holdover. They bought land. Farm land. Empty desert. Not metropolitan cities. Come on dude. It doesn't matter who they bought it from. They bought it and now own it just like the land you bought from someone else. They were also given land that some conquerer owned as well just like we were given land that someone else owned. That isn't the issue. It's theirs now and they have a right to protect it and their citizens that now live on it.

If your issue is that the US are allied with Israel, then your issue is that the US has them as allies. Find reasons for that. Find reasons for other allies like Germany for example or Turkey that shouldn't be our allies.

But you are saying that Israel shouldn't protect their land and citizenry from constant attack. Where does that stem from if it isn't from hatred? Why can't they take out leaders who order these attacks? Why can't they level buildings to the ground that are used as platforms for rocket and mortar attacks that are deliberately filled with human shields? You equate those actions with terror attacks.

And as far as hatred goes. Yes. I will admit that I hate Muslim savages that have a sole purpose to destroy rather than build. The Jews in Israel turned that infertile desert into productive farm land. They built metropolitan cities from nothing. That land is in better hands with them on it and in charge than with any dirty Palestinian instead. I hate Muslim savages that strap bombs to children and young adults. I hate Muslim savages that deliberately place innocents around them in harm's way to launch attacks. I hate Muslim savages that treat women like property. I hate Muslim savages that want to destroy my way of life. I hate Muslim savages that only permit the wealthy to be educated to keep the rest of the population at bay to be used as puppets for their barbaric ways.

I will take the side of Western civilization any day. I will admit as such that I detest Muslims in general and am man enough to say so. Will you admit as such to whoever you hate?

 

[holdover]

""They bought land. Farm land. Empty desert Not metropolitan cities""

The citys have been around since biblical times , people lived in Palestine since recorded history The notion that nobody lived there is bullshit.

The fact that you hate Muslims prejudices your opinions. How can someone so prejudiced be fair ?

You cant, You come up with fairy tales of an empty land that was gifted to them , then offer no explanation to when or why they bought land that was given to them already

According to the Turks , after the first world war Palestine was 80% muslim which makes perfect sense since the Turks are Muslims and ruled it since the 1600's . Even though you insist it was empty land, History says you're full of shit. Its documented and recorded.

If your trying to say that Jewish settlers who came from Europe and Asia bought some property in Palestine when it was rumored to become the new homeland , I can accept that.

If your saying they bought the property from nobody and nobody lived there , your crazy .

No, I don't hate the Jews or the Muslims. But I do not like the Israeli government or the Saudi government for that matter. Jews and Muslims have done nothing to me personally and Im not a Supremist .

DO you hate the Mexican people, or do you hate the fact they are coming here illegally?

DO you hate all new Yorkers because of the gun laws here, or do you just hate the ones who wrote the law?

 

[Marine Cpl]

""They bought land. Farm land. Empty desert Not metropolitan cities""

The citys have been around since biblical times , people lived in Palestine since recorded history The notion that nobody lived there is bullshit.

The fact that you hate Muslims prejudices your opinions. How can someone so prejudiced be fair ?

You cant, You come up with fairy tales of an empty land that was gifted to them , then offer no explanation to when or why they bought land that was given to them already

According to the Turks , after the first world war Palestine was 80% muslim which makes perfect sense since the Turks are Muslims and ruled it since the 1600's . Even though you insist it was empty land, History says you're full of shit. Its documented and recorded.

If your trying to say that Jewish settlers who came from Europe and Asia bought some property in Palestine when it was rumored to become the new homeland , I can accept that.

If your saying they bought the property from nobody and nobody lived there , your crazy .

No, I don't hate the Jews or the Muslims. But I do not like the Israeli government or the Saudi government for that matter. Jews and Muslims have done nothing to me personally and Im not a Supremist .

DO you hate the Mexican people, or do you hate the fact they are coming here illegally?

DO you hate all new Yorkers because of the gun laws here, or do you just hate the ones who wrote the law?

The answer is Yes to all your questions.

 

[96coal449]

unsubscribing .......

 

[Marine Cpl]

You cant, You come up with fairy tales of an empty land that was gifted to them , then offer no explanation to when or why they bought land that was given to them already

According to the Turks , after the first world war Palestine was 80% muslim which makes perfect sense since the Turks are Muslims and ruled it since the 1600's . Even though you insist it was empty land, History says you're full of shit. Its documented and recorded.

Holdover. I provided links that shows that they bought plots of farmland and not cities. No one can buy a city. Stop being ridiculous. Even the King of Jordan said as such in his memoirs. They didn't buy towns and cities. They bought empty land. You sound more foolish with every post you make.

And besides, none of that matters anyway. What about the Arabs that conquested the area in the 600's. Do they have more of a claim than those before them? It doesn't matter. They own what they own now and have a right to protect it from attack. There are locals there that descended from Arab nomads from the 600's that lived in the area and they aren't blowing things up. They are productive members of Israeli society. It's the ones outside of Israel that are the animals.

Your argument of who has claim to the land is fruitless and not of relevance. Those that live there now have claim to it just like we have claim to this land and it is their duty to protect it from harm on it's citizens. That's how things work in war and purchases.

 

[holdover]

""Your argument of who has claim to the land is fruitless and not of relevance."'

See ,this is where your gift for stupidity and bullshit and spin really shines.

I never said a dam thing about who has the rights to be there , Matter of fact ,I said the opposite.
I cant have a legitimate conversation with a liar. You have to go all the way to the top of the page to see my response to your answer

It goes like this Holdover. Do you recognize that Israel owns that land? YES

How much more fucking clear Can I make it?

Your a lying shit bag Will.

 

[holdover]

What don't you understand about that nobody lived there before? After it was given to them and the nation was created, they were attacked numerous times.

Let me break it down for you in simple terms.
Israel was a desert that no one owned. There were only nomadic herders there. The land was given to the Jews. They turned that desert into a paradise

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[Marine Cpl]

""Your argument of who has claim to the land is fruitless and not of relevance."'

See ,this is where your gift for stupidity and bullshit and spin really shines.

I never said a dam thing about who has the rights to be there , Matter of fact ,I said the opposite.
I cant have a legitimate conversation with a liar. You have to go all the way to the top of the page to see my response to your answer

It goes like this Holdover. Do you recognize that Israel owns that land? YES

How much more fucking clear Can I make it?

Your a lying shit bag Will.

Then why the numerous cut and pastes of who had the land before?

And what don't you understand about farmland bought legally that had no people there other than nomadic herders when the land was bought? It isn't my fault you cannot follow along.

And in response to your insults to me due to your frustrations because you cannot follow along and my calling you out for having a hatred towards a certain group of people, you can go fuck yourself cocksucker.

And just so you know, my frustrations for your ignorance ends here in this thread. In another future one if I agree with you like I mostly always do, we are all good as far as I'm concerned. So get bent cocksucker and you'll see my on another future thread standing by your side and backing you up if you go back to posting intelligent posts like normal.

 

[holdover]

Then why the numerous cut and pastes of who had the land before?

To demonstrate that you were lying when you said there was no one living there



And what don't you understand about farmland bought legally that had no people there other than nomadic herders? It isn't my fault you cannot follow along.

I don't have much of an issue with the farmland being bought. Jewish people In the US have farmland , it doesn't make it Israel's soil. I can buy farmland in Russia but it doesn't make it US soil . Jewish claim to the land by the league of nations and by conquest is legit. I never had any issue with that


And in response to your insults to me due to your frustrations because you cannot follow along and my calling you out for having a hatred towards a certain group of people, you can go fuck yourself cocksucker.

Welll, you should be struck with shoes.

And just so you know, my frustrations for your ignorance ends here in this thread. In another future one if I agree with you like I mostly always do, we are all good as far as I'm concerned. So get bent cocksucker and you'll see my on another future thread standing by your side and backing you up.

Ok

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[Marine Cpl]

Then why the numerous cut and pastes of who had the land before?

To demonstrate that you were lying when you said there was no one living there



And what don't you understand about farmland bought legally that had no people there other than nomadic herders? It isn't my fault you cannot follow along.

I don't have much of an issue with the farmland being bought. Jewish people In the US have farmland , it doesn't make it Israel's soil. I can buy farmland in Russia but it doesn't make it US soil . Jewish claim to the land by the league of nations and by conquest is legit. I never had any issue with that


And in response to your insults to me due to your frustrations because you cannot follow along and my calling you out for having a hatred towards a certain group of people, you can go fuck yourself cocksucker.

Welll, you should be struck with shoes.

And just so you know, my frustrations for your ignorance ends here in this thread. In another future one if I agree with you like I mostly always do, we are all good as far as I'm concerned. So get bent cocksucker and you'll see my on another future thread standing by your side and backing you up.

Ok

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You are messing up the quotes again.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[holdover]

You might want to check on who sent troops and bombs into whos country and killed its leaders first.

perspective is everything

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here we go again.