War in israel?

[Marine Cpl]

I disagree. Would we be guilty if Mexico attacked us repeatedly? What should our recourse be if that happened?

No one wants to answer that question. How would we be guilty if we sent commandos after their leaders?

 

[GOPerfect]

Gaze and Israel is like no other place in the World, at least none that I am aware of.

Comparing other Countries to this fight? Absolutely nothing to compare.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Gaze and Israel is like no other place in the World, at least none that I am aware of.

Comparing other Countries to this fight? Absolutely nothing to compare.

Yes there is. What makes it different?

 

[GOPerfect]

I just wanted to post the chicken again

 

[Marine Cpl]

See no one can answer that question. What makes over there different? If Mexico did that to us, what would be our recourse?

Nobody wants to answer that truthfully because it would destroy their argument.

 

[holdover]

Accept defeat. Not target civilians. Rebuild their country in it's current state just like Mexico did. Come on dude. Really?

And I provided already examples of different countries using Mexico and the USA as an example which you refuse to acknowledge.

What should we do if Mexico behaved like the Palestinians? Just take it? Give them back their land? Or would you be okay with sending commando units to take out their leaders that lob mortars into Arizona homes?

You are justifying their terrorism because you have a personal distaste for the Israelis. It's sickening.

Ok Will just except defeat . Great answer. I don't have any personal dislike of the Israeli people whatsoever. My problem lies with the Israeli government . They are out of control. they have the protection of the US and act like a bully knowing nothing is going to happen to them .

Mexico would act like the Palestinians If we blockaded them , and bombed their leaders every few months. Do you think they just would just give up? DO you think are taking their lands killing their leaders they will just comply with what we say? What fucking world do you live in?

I don't give 2 fucks about their religions , but what I do give a shit about is the hypocrisy of the US and the respect of the law. You don't blockade a country, kill its leaders, then cry about a suicide bomber , and how you were acting in self defense against peasants. Get fucking real dude.

 

[GOPerfect]

See no one can answer that question. What makes over there different? If Mexico did that to us, what would be our recourse?

Nobody wants to answer that truthfully because it would destroy their argument.

No place in the world are their two "Countries" that are fighting the fight that these two are.

And I will repeat, I am not taking sides at all. I care little for either side. I really care nothing about this fight.

 

[holdover]

Unlawful Killings & War Crimes
Israeli troops killed well over 2,000 Palestinian civilians in the last three Gaza conflicts (2008-09, 2012, 2014) alone. Many of these attacks amount to violations of international humanitarian law due to a failure to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians. Some amount to war crimes, including the targeting of apparent civilian structures.

In the West Bank, Israeli security forces have routinely used excessive force in policing situations, killing or grievously wounding thousands of demonstrators, rock-throwers, suspected assailants, and others with live ammunition when lesser means could have averted a threat or maintained order.

Armed Palestinian groups also committed war crimes during these conflicts and at other times, including rocket attacks targeting Israeli population centers. Between the start of the first Intifada in December 1987 and the end of February 2017, attacks by Palestinians killed at least 1,079 Israeli civilians, according to the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem. (30 years)

Forced Displacement
Israeli authorities have expropriated thousands of acres of Palestinian land for settlements and their supporting infrastructure. Discriminatory burdens, including making it nearly impossible for Palestinians to obtain building permits in East Jerusalem and in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), have effectively forced Palestinians to leave their homes or to build at the risk of seeing their “unauthorized” structures bulldozed. For decades, Israeli authorities have demolished homes on the grounds that they lacked permits, even though the law of occupation prohibits destruction of property except for military necessity, or punitively as collective punishment against families of Palestinians suspected of attacking Israelis.


Abusive Detention
Israeli authorities have incarcerated hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967, the majority after trials in military courts, which have a near-100 percent conviction rate. In addition, on average, hundreds every year have been placed in administrative detention based on secret evidence without charge or trial. Some were detained or imprisoned for engaging in nonviolent activism. Israel also jails West Bank and Gaza Palestinian detainees inside Israel, creating onerous restrictions on family visits and violating international law requiring that they be held within the occupied territory

The Palestinian Authority, since its creation in 1994, and Hamas, since becoming the de facto authority in Gaza in 2007, have arbitrarily detained dissidents, tortured and mistreated detainees, and, according to the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, executed 41 people pursuant to death sentences after flawed trials.

Israel: 50 Years of Occupation Abuses

 

[GOPerfect]

BOTH SIDES SUCK! NONE ARE INNOCENT!!

 

[Marine Cpl]

No place in the world are their two "Countries" that are fighting the fight that these two are.

And I will repeat, I am not taking sides at all. I care little for either side. I really care nothing about this fight.

Because other's that have been beat in wars accepted defeat. Again, what should we do if the Mexicans didn't accept defeat and behaved like the Palestinians?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ok Will just except defeat . Great answer. I don't have any personal dislike of the Israeli people whatsoever. My problem lies with the Israeli government . They are out of control. they have the protection of the US and act like a bully knowing nothing is going to happen to them .

Mexico would act like the Palestinians If we blockaded them , and bombed their leaders every few months. Do you think they just would just give up? DO you think are taking their lands killing their leaders they will just comply with what we say? What fucking world do you live in?

I don't give 2 fucks about their religions , but what I do give a shit about is the hypocrisy of the US and the respect of the law. You don't blockade a country, kill its leaders, then cry about a suicide bomber , and how you were acting in self defense against peasants. Get fucking real dude.

What would your solution be for Israel? Be specific? Should they just give up their lands?

You can keep posting all your bullshit but the fact of the matter is that the Palestinian leaders set up shop in civilian centers for protection. They attack soldiers with children in their ranks. They lob munitions from schools and mosques.

 

[holdover]

I guess wiping them off the face of the earth is the only solution left right Will? or maybe we stop the blockade give them their lands back and negotiate a peace treaty.

 

[Marine Cpl]

BOTH SIDES SUCK! NONE ARE INNOCENT!!

You're just saying that because you don't have an answer to what Israel should do.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I guess wiping them off the face of the earth is the only solution left right Will? or maybe we stop the blockade give them their lands back and negotiate a peace treaty.

Are you really that dense? And afterwards you think the Palestinians will just peacefully live their lives right? What was happening before they took over the Gaza strip?

 

[holdover]

What would your solution be for Israel? Be specific? Should they just give up their lands?

You can keep posting all your bullshit but the fact of the matter is that the Palestinian leaders set up shop in civilian centers for protection. They attack soldiers with children in their ranks. They lob munitions from schools and mosques.

Whos lands? the lands they stole? Yeah maybe it could be a start , I don't have the answers to the isreali problems because they are so deep seated in the history , cultures and religions of the area. they have to figure it out . and right now Israel holds ALL the cards . Its for Israel to decide how it could be resolved. and their point of view is that the Palestinians can go fuck themselves with a stick, they have no intentions of giving up a fucking thing.

My bullshit happens to be more factual than your moronic opinions .

Palestinian leaders set up shop in civilian centers for protection? No fucking shit? where the fuck are they going to go? the woods? lol, common fucking sense should tell you that that gaza is 25 miles wide and 6 miles long, crammed with over one million people where should they go? the garbage dump? Pull your head out of your ass for once.

 

[holdover]

Are you really that dense? And afterwards you think the Palestinians will just peacefully live their lives right? What was happening before they took over the Gaza strip?

Yes Im dense enough to think that given their lands back dropping the blockades on condition of any attacks against the Israeli people will result in default of the treaty and the permanent forfeit of their lands . Yes I believe that tough negotiations are possible.

 

[GOPerfect]

You're just saying that because you don't have an answer to what Israel should do.

No, I do not care what they do. Kill all in Gaza. Stop killing them. I do not care
I cannot say it enough.

 

[GOPerfect]

What would your solution be for Israel? Be specific? Should they just give up their lands?

You can keep posting all your bullshit but the fact of the matter is that the Palestinian leaders set up shop in civilian centers for protection. They attack soldiers with children in their ranks. They lob munitions from schools and mosques.

Didn't they already give up some of their land?

 

[holdover]

Nope.Not one step back.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This thread just proves there will never be peace there in the middle East until one side dominates the other in total war. They aren't compatible to coexist, they both have very strong long held beliefs on the reality and cause of the current situation.

In not taking sides, I'm probably more sympathetic to Israel since they seem capable of having a civilized country but there are no angels over there, all sides have blood on their hands and there is plenty of blame to go around.

I only care if it affects us, if America is somehow affected by this as a proxy or directly.

My initial concern for posting this thread was that I was concerned the situation was continuing to escalate and Israel was going to look to hit Hamas in syria, and Syria is currently protected by Russia. Which would clearly escalate.

 

[FrankenCub]

This thread just proves there will never be peace there in the middle East until one side dominates the other in total war. They aren't compatible to coexist, they both have very strong long held beliefs on the reality and cause of the current situation.

In not taking sides, I'm probably more sympathetic to Israel since they seem capable of having a civilized country but there are no angels over there, all sides have blood on their hands and there is plenty of blame to go around.

I only care if it affects us, if America is somehow affected by this as a proxy or directly.

My initial concern for posting this thread was that I was concerned the situation was continuing to escalate and Israel was going to look to hit Hamas in syria, and Syria is currently protected by Russia. Which would clearly escalate.

As long as the escalation doesn't drag us into it I really don't care what happens there. The relationship Israel has with the US sometimes makes me think of a bully with a big dog standing behind it. I believe they feel they can drag us into war if it got that big. After all, they have the our weapons and money backing them already. That area of the globe will never see peace. Even if Israel backed their attacks down, Islam will never coexist with any other religion or ideology. The facts don't lie.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Every forum has their own spell checker member.
@Uzi deserves the title hear.










Well come on now .......

@Carlos Hathcock retired from that position

 

[Jmac00]

I have a prediction about this conflict. It will turn into a world war 24 after I retire. So they have two years to slap each other around before the shit hits the fan and all hell breaks loose

carry on and good luck

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes Im dense enough to think that given their lands back dropping the blockades on condition of any attacks against the Israeli people will result in default of the treaty and the permanent forfeit of their lands . Yes I believe that tough negotiations are possible.

Oh. Really? So why did they get attacked before they took over the Gaza strip and all subsequent lands?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Didn't they already give up some of their land?

Who? The Palestinians? If so yes. They gave it up after attacking Israel in 1948. That action cost them.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Mexico would act like the Palestinians If we blockaded them , and bombed their leaders every few months. Do you think they just would just give up? DO you think are taking their lands killing their leaders they will just comply with what we say? What fucking world do you live in?

Do you realize that the land and blockades were a result of subsequent invasions?

What fucking world do you live in that you think if attacked you should just take it with no repercussions?

So I guess if we were ever attacked we should just take it. No sanctions. No blockades. No keeping of lands that are now under our control after the war.

Just sit there and take it in the ass like bitches. That's what you suggest?

And after we act like bitches and they continue bombing us, we shouldn't kill their leaders who are ordering such attacks on our civilians. Right?

 

[holdover]

Oh. Really? So why did they get attacked before they took over the Gaza strip and all subsequent lands?

There were obvious land disputes if you read the history of the conflict , the whole situation was fucked up beyond help due to the British and the United nations.

Why didn't the Palestinians kill all the Jews 200 years ago? They both lived in the same areas and didn't kill one another . The jewish people only made up about 3% of the population when the Ottoman empire finally fell

The issue between Isreal and the Arabs is NOT one of religion , its basically a land dispute. So when you preach your nonsense about how the ""animals"" cant live with the peaceful Jewish people , understand that they lived side by side for hundreds of years, and are both of the same race , of sematic people.

 

[holdover]

What fucking world do you live in that you think if attacked you should just take it with no repercussions?
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Yet that's exactly what you expect the Gazans to do. WTF? Your hypocrisy is beyond conception and you cant see it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

There were obvious land disputes if you read the history of the conflict , the whole situation was fucked up beyond help due to the British and the United nations.

Why didn't the Palestinians kill all the Jews 200 years ago? They both lived in the same areas and didn't kill one another . The jewish people only made up about 3% of the population when the Ottoman empire finally fell

The issue between Isreal and the Arabs is NOT one of religion , its basically a land dispute. So when you preach your nonsense about how the ""animals"" cant live with the peaceful Jewish people , understand that they lived side by side for hundreds of years, and are both of the same race , of sematic people.

Read your history. When the land was given to them, Arabs all over the world came there to work. They still live peacefully there to this day. It was a desert with roaming nomads prior.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You are fucking up the quotes again.