Wayne county permit: Go for unrestricted?

[Blimey]

Wayne County is now handling all pistol permits through Judge Healy. He's pretty new as a judge, but I've heard he's not quite as cordial to unrestricted carry. My understanding is that he wants to see "good cause" before issuing an unrestricted permit.

I'm finally applying for a permit and have everything ready to go. I have a spotless record, so I'm sure I'll get at least the restricted. I can come up with a couple of honest reasons to get the unrestricted, but they are not terribly compelling; I don't carry cash for work or have a stalker who skipped bail chasing me.

Viewpoint 1: Apply for unrestricted, and worst case is I get a restricted.
Viewpoint 2: Apply for restricted and attempt to have it taken off in a year or two.

Viewpoint 2 is supported by somebody with a lot of experience in NY permits and they indicated that if I am denied unrestricted, it would be a black mark (albeit small) on my name, so could make getting unrestricted harder later.

I'm not in any particular hurry, so could certainly wait for an unrestricted, but if it's a waste of time trying the tiered approach I'd love some input, particularly from anybody familiar with the current Wayne process (it changed recently, BTW, now for example we had to partake in a safety course run by the Sheriff dept).

Thanks!

 

[Robin]

Its a new york shame that you even have to make a choice, go for the unrestricted 'permit'. You get denied, its no black mark on you, it would be on the judge, and you can just reapply, with a lawyer on board.
Robin

 

[Deplorable Me]

Its a new york shame that you even have to make a choice, go for the unrestricted 'permit'. You get denied, its no black mark on you, it would be on the judge, and you can just reapply, with a lawyer on board.
Robin

Technically it's a county by county clusterflock.

 

[kev74]

Apply for unrestricted. Include a letter to the judge explaining your reasons. If you get denied, wait a year and ask for unrestricted again.

When I got my permit, the judge was an asshole with a reputation for denying retired cops unrestricted. I got restricted, so I tried to get the restrictions removed after a year. I got called into a hearing and got grilled like a criminal - then was turned down. I waited another year and tried again and was shot down again - this time without having to take a day off to go to court. That repeated a couple of times. Finally the a-hole judge retired and the new judge gave me unrestricted on the first try.

Put in for what's yours. And don't make it easy for them to deny you your rights.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I say go for unrestricted. All you can do is ask. If you wait and don't ask now there is still no guarantee you would get it in the future either.


IMO
Its your right. You deserve it. Don't "not ask". Make them deny you If it comes to it. But at least then you tried and they're the assholes.

Think it through and have a good reason, good character references, full out the application properly etc..

 

[Blimey]

You are all an inspiration.

I dropped it with the letter asking for unrestricted. My justification may be a bit weak because I was honest about it, but the letter was well put together imo, and my record is flawless.

And given my age it isn’t like I have not proven I can behave as an adult so if he doesn’t grant unrestricted I will just conclude he hates it in general.