Raserspeed1976
.177 BB
S1192 will make us get a safety certificate every 2 years . It will be a 4 hour class and a 2 hour range qualification. It will also make it illegal to possess a firearm in any place where there are more then 15 people !
We need to stop Bill S1192
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ManualF150
.308 Win
Here's a link to it: NY State Senate Bill S1192B
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
And how will we stop it? They have a supermajority so unless you plan to change the entire landscape of nys we can’t do it. Also they have that supermajority until at least November.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Many of the typical asshat sponsors you would expect this from.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
if we had the majority do we have any smart Republican's in office that would attach this to a bill like that ..
"It will also make it illegal to possess a firearm in any place where there are more then 15 people"
any one shot in a place of more then 15 people and being in illegal possession of a Firearm or Pistol ..
all writers , sponsors and voters that passed this bill shall be charged with no less them Murder in the 1st Degree ..
spat
.950 JDJ
Get some free states to propose identical bills, but replace "guns" with "voter registration" or "abortion" and watch the left clog up the courts with all the arguments on how unconstitutional it is.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Sure. Whats yet another email to a Democrat state senator, assemblyman and governor, except a waste of 15 minutes to draft, check and send. lol Sure I'll send a check as well to those entities fighting the good fight.
As an independent voter for the past 35 years and being down state in Westchester, my state senator Cousins or assemblyman doen't give a crap about me or my concerns. It's a heavily democrat area so my email doesn't even get a response. Hell, Republicans don't respond either. lol With redistricting getting rammed through, the state will lose Republican representation in the House in DC and Democrats gain seats at about 2 to 1 ratio for the upcoming mid-terms. Look at the numbers and the redistricting map now. Its insane.
It's over in NY. Sorry if that is a hard pill to swallow but it's a fact. The only thing to stop such a law would be the courts and it's taken over 35 years to get ONE case to the supreme court concerning issuance of a pistol permit. ONE! Never mind the SAFE ACT. lol
Plan your exit or get to the range practice and fall in line. If the qualifications standards are what they put forth many years ago, it will be tougher than any police qualification course then and now. I'm sure many here will easily pass but there will be many disenfranchised folks who won't.
As an independent voter for the past 35 years and being down state in Westchester, my state senator Cousins or assemblyman doen't give a crap about me or my concerns. It's a heavily democrat area so my email doesn't even get a response. Hell, Republicans don't respond either. lol With redistricting getting rammed through, the state will lose Republican representation in the House in DC and Democrats gain seats at about 2 to 1 ratio for the upcoming mid-terms. Look at the numbers and the redistricting map now. Its insane.
It's over in NY. Sorry if that is a hard pill to swallow but it's a fact. The only thing to stop such a law would be the courts and it's taken over 35 years to get ONE case to the supreme court concerning issuance of a pistol permit. ONE! Never mind the SAFE ACT. lol
Plan your exit or get to the range practice and fall in line. If the qualifications standards are what they put forth many years ago, it will be tougher than any police qualification course then and now. I'm sure many here will easily pass but there will be many disenfranchised folks who won't.
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That takes more than two or three Republican governors with balls and we don’t have more than that.
"Senator Maziarz,
I an writing to you in regards to Senate Bill S1192B.
This Bill would require that people petition the government for permission to exercise a Right through the onerous requirement of a "firearms safety certificate". To acquire this "certificate" a person must demonstrate live-fire proficiency with any firearm the person seeks to posses, itself a violation of State Law when the person seeks to purchase a pistol, as well as demonstrating knowledge and understanding of applicable Federal and State Laws regarding firearms purchases, which in and of themselves are hopelessly vague.
This "certificate" must be acquired every two years.
Sir, this is an onerous and egregious infringement on a fundamental Right. We would not, as an example, expect a person who seeks to vote to demonstrate knowledge and understanding of voting laws, nor demand they demonstrate proficiency in the platforms the candidate they chose represents. Nor would we require a person to obtain the government's permission, through the use of "permits" or "certificates", before stating their opinions or attending a church service.
The purpose of this legislation, contrary to their stated intention, is not to increase "gun safety" but rather to place undo burdens on the People's ability to exercise their Right to keep and bear arms in their own defense.
Additionally by placing a limit on the number of people allowed to gather while bearing arms, whether concealed or not, they blatantly infringe on the People's Second Amendment Right.
I respectfully request you oppose this Bill.
But I am also realistic enough to know that common sense and understanding of the Constitution is in short supply in Albany, so I also request that you officially state, for the record, that the People of Orleans County will no longer abide by these infringements. Essentially, sir, I ask you to state to the New York Senate, "do as you want, we will not comply".
I an writing to you in regards to Senate Bill S1192B.
This Bill would require that people petition the government for permission to exercise a Right through the onerous requirement of a "firearms safety certificate". To acquire this "certificate" a person must demonstrate live-fire proficiency with any firearm the person seeks to posses, itself a violation of State Law when the person seeks to purchase a pistol, as well as demonstrating knowledge and understanding of applicable Federal and State Laws regarding firearms purchases, which in and of themselves are hopelessly vague.
This "certificate" must be acquired every two years.
Sir, this is an onerous and egregious infringement on a fundamental Right. We would not, as an example, expect a person who seeks to vote to demonstrate knowledge and understanding of voting laws, nor demand they demonstrate proficiency in the platforms the candidate they chose represents. Nor would we require a person to obtain the government's permission, through the use of "permits" or "certificates", before stating their opinions or attending a church service.
The purpose of this legislation, contrary to their stated intention, is not to increase "gun safety" but rather to place undo burdens on the People's ability to exercise their Right to keep and bear arms in their own defense.
Additionally by placing a limit on the number of people allowed to gather while bearing arms, whether concealed or not, they blatantly infringe on the People's Second Amendment Right.
I respectfully request you oppose this Bill.
But I am also realistic enough to know that common sense and understanding of the Constitution is in short supply in Albany, so I also request that you officially state, for the record, that the People of Orleans County will no longer abide by these infringements. Essentially, sir, I ask you to state to the New York Senate, "do as you want, we will not comply".
Bustedknees
.308 Win
I will get a note from @dsdmmat that I spent two hours on a range.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
If you can't beat them join them, change them from within or run to a free state and wait for this bullshit there. It ain't about the general elections it's about the primaries. 
CHANGE OF ENROLLMENT (N.Y. Election Law Section 5-304(3))
An application to change one’s party enrollment for any primary election in 2022 must be received by the board of elections no later than February 14, 2022.
CHANGE OF ENROLLMENT (N.Y. Election Law Section 5-304(3))
An application to change one’s party enrollment for any primary election in 2022 must be received by the board of elections no later than February 14, 2022.
We can all bitch and moan about it but they don't care what we say or how loudly we protest.
By all means complain to your local reps. Let them know how angry you are. You have to at least try.
Just like the safe act. Lots of hate for that and lawmakers talked a good game of repealing it but it's going nowhere unless SCOTUS strikes it down (insert joke here)
I'm trying to be pragmatic here.
You have 3 realistic options.
1- comply
2- non compliance. Just flat out ignore it. And if you get jammed up from a jackbooted gestapo agent keep fighting it to get it to circuit courts or SCOTUS. odds are the DA will drop it because they won't want the law being tested.
3- move to a deep red free state where they will straight up rebel against this bullshit. (Off top of my head states like TN, WV, KY, AR, OK, TX, SD, ID, WY, MT should all be safe from this crap and their citizens will stand a very real chance of actually armed conflict if their politicians try that crap there
By all means complain to your local reps. Let them know how angry you are. You have to at least try.
Just like the safe act. Lots of hate for that and lawmakers talked a good game of repealing it but it's going nowhere unless SCOTUS strikes it down (insert joke here)
I'm trying to be pragmatic here.
You have 3 realistic options.
1- comply
2- non compliance. Just flat out ignore it. And if you get jammed up from a jackbooted gestapo agent keep fighting it to get it to circuit courts or SCOTUS. odds are the DA will drop it because they won't want the law being tested.
3- move to a deep red free state where they will straight up rebel against this bullshit. (Off top of my head states like TN, WV, KY, AR, OK, TX, SD, ID, WY, MT should all be safe from this crap and their citizens will stand a very real chance of actually armed conflict if their politicians try that crap there
ManualF150
.308 Win
There are times driving around in NY, especially in my local area that the amount of anti-NY-SAFE ACT signs makes me wonder how in the heck is it still in place.
If anything, the recent events with the scamdemic really hit home as to how people are willing to go with the flow of big politico. Anyone that doesn't vote or doesn't at least try to do something about it, even if it's 1 letter to a congressman/women, or putting up a sign in the yard, isn't doing their fair share. Sorry, that's just how I feel. I see and hear too many people whine and they don't do anything. All bark no bite.
If anything, the recent events with the scamdemic really hit home as to how people are willing to go with the flow of big politico. Anyone that doesn't vote or doesn't at least try to do something about it, even if it's 1 letter to a congressman/women, or putting up a sign in the yard, isn't doing their fair share. Sorry, that's just how I feel. I see and hear too many people whine and they don't do anything. All bark no bite.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Here's a crazy idea! Let's get all the gun owners along with their spouses and voting-age children to vote against the Nut jobs in Albany!
Well, except for the ones that vote the way their union tells them, of the ones that are too lazy, of the ones that watch CNN or NBC for their news or the intellectual ones and the really really smart ones or the ones that think they are racist because they are called racist by racists, the ones who are too high and mighty or too old to read an email or own a smartphone. Maybe that's how we stop it.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
YUP, That is exactly what I did. So, I got to vote against Hillary twice! And I can honestly say that I felt the Bern too! You can do it online.If you can't beat them join them, change them from within or run to a free state and wait for this bullshit there. It ain't about the general elections it's about the primaries.
CHANGE OF ENROLLMENT (N.Y. Election Law Section 5-304(3))
An application to change one’s party enrollment for any primary election in 2022 must be received by the board of elections no later than February 14, 2022.
WARNING! You will start getting emails from Chuckie and Nancy asking for mo money and you will receive phone calls from pollsters. I love that part because when they call, I lie my ass off.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
I always send their envelopes back empty so the postage will be due.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Just chill out - NY has a different definition for the word firearm.
Straight from the 265 definitions:
"Firearm" means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having
one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle
having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d)
any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or
otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e)
an assault weapon.
Having a CCW in NY takes (A) right off the table.
End result = you need a safety cert for guns you can't legally own anyways.
Straight from the 265 definitions:
"Firearm" means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having
one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle
having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d)
any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or
otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e)
an assault weapon.
Having a CCW in NY takes (A) right off the table.
End result = you need a safety cert for guns you can't legally own anyways.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
There will be legal challenges but the safety certificate might pass a court challenge. The other restrictions like “ 15 people” or public transportation probably won’t pass a court challenge.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
I agree. But also the qualification portion would likely be struck down as well. But these court challenges would take over 30 years. The SAFE act is still grinding away. Life is too short as it is.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
My representatives are all communist douche bags. Who am I supposed to contact?
I'm the poster child for taxation without representation.
I'm the poster child for taxation without representation.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I think it will come down to the wording of the decision that SCOTUS is about to hand down, but a safety certificate, I can see the courts allowing that. Just as I see that they will not mandate constitutional carry either.
And unless the justices shoot, I don’t think they understand the restriction of a certificate renew would be.
I have to qualify for LEOSA once a year. It is a pain to schedule.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
And how will that work out? There are way more democrats in NYS than there are republicans. The democrats have a supermajority in NYS. I don’t think getting people out to vote is enough since there aren’t enough of us that vote that way here. Look how many on this gun board have left in the last 2-3 years. There’s a good portion on here that no longer live in NYS and many more fixing to go.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Problem is with non-compliance of pistols is they know what you have so they will revoke your permit. What then?
I’m just hoping it won’t pass and it likely won’t. My reps don’t care they are liberal.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
How do you figure? You mean I can’t legally own a pistol or a revolver? Why does having a CCW take A off the table? I never was required to take a live fire training or certify every two years? Why does having a CCW exempt you from this? I understand the SBR and what not being illegal.
I really wish these people would either s*** or get off the pot.
Seriously stop just introducing these bills. Put them all up for a vote and just vote on them. If these elected elite are so positive that these bills will pass and that the people want them just do it.
Shit or remove yourself from the pot.
Seriously stop just introducing these bills. Put them all up for a vote and just vote on them. If these elected elite are so positive that these bills will pass and that the people want them just do it.
Shit or remove yourself from the pot.
@thewheels
.308 Win
If you have a pistol permit in NY, your handgun is not considered a firearm per 265 definitions.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Creative option #4. Know a "trainer"; have a play date at the range and issue certificates. Anyone and their cousin can become a NRA certified instructor. People in Albany are morons.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
When it comes to NY pistol permit SCOTUS will stay as narrow as possible in it's ruling. It should find that NY is in violation of 2A simply because the state requires a person demostrate cause or forced restrictions. That said, the state knows this ruling will likely not be in their favor and will have the above legislation in place to restrict immediately anyone that files for an amendment. Which in IMHO wouldn't be unnecessary since the restriction is found by the court to be unconstitutional. At that point all carry permits are valid without restrictions. But of course the state will try to say otherwise and try to put in effect new policies for renewal. Yet another court challenge. See how it works? Perpetual court battles. lol
With the passage of this Bill, Any pass/fail qualification for a constitutional right for a citizen to exercise, is a bridge too far even for a liberal court. It's the proverbial slippery slope. Apply the logic of pass/fail to most of the Bill of Rights and have a citizen demonstrate cause and understanding and it would create serious legal issues.
LEOSA is required probably for your job or to continue LEO status for insurance liability reasons. That's not the same as a constitutional right. A citizen doesn't have to demonstrate knowledge, understanding or proficiency to exercise a god given right or any of their constitutional rights when acting as a citizen. Acting as LEO and working for an organization is a different animal and one can understand the necessity, legally, for such qualifications.
I agree that the courts would not change any safety certification a state may put in place and those fees associated with it unless of course states decide to make is so expensive that exercising your right becomes cost prohibited and therefor marginalizes a income class of citizens.
All this of course in my opinion which counts for nothing. lol
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
It won't I was being sarcastic. NY Gunowners are too old and lazy to make any changes as a group. They are like Elmer Fudd.