What is Free Speech ?

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It is oft explained you cannot shout FIRE in a crowded theatre.

I believe it is 100% your Free Speech Right to do so.

But then you might be indicted for causing a riot. But you should not be prosecuted for any "Free Speech" violation.

I also believe you can say vile, racist rants.

Or state quite clearly your desire to harm someone.

These are unacceptable things to say, but if they are prosecuted it should not be because they violate Free Speech.

Are contracts with "Hit Men" a violation of Free Speech ? They are not.

There are many verbal statements that are criminal. But none violate Free Speech.

And this is the problem.

The right to Free Speech has been completely corrupted.

Society has criminalized much that it should not.
 
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CaseHardened said:
It is oft explained you cannot shout FIRE in a crowded theatre.

I believe it is 100% your Free Speech Right to do so.

But then you might be indicted for causing a riot. But you should not be prosecuted for any "Free Speech" violation.

I also believe you can say vile, racist rants.

Or state quite clearly your desire to harm someone.

These are unacceptable things to say, but if they are prosecuted it should not be because they violate Free Speech.

Are contracts with "Hit Men" a violation of Free Speech ? They are not.

There are many verbal statements that are criminal. But none violate Free Speech.

And this is the problem.

The right to Free Speech has been completely corrupted.

Society has criminalized much that it should not.
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No speech should be criminal. Some speech can be a tort, but not a crime. Only actions should be able to be a crime.
 
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All speech should be free. Even the speech that another does not agree with. There should never be speech that is considered hate speech. Made up terms to calm down those that have no control of their feelings and emotions.

There are times in which your Exercise of Free Speech can get you in trouble with the law; as it should.
 
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Cuomo may be gone but his Gun Squad remains.
The "gaslighting" left and their media butt buddies have corrupted just about everything they have touched. The term "free speech" is one of those things. They have convinced America that there is no difference between "free speech" and constitutionally protected speech, and we have let them do it.
Your free speech ends at the end of my fist. If you want to insult my wife, it is your right to do so emefer, but then be prepared for a punch in the nose. If you are some mamby pamby that honestly believes that violence is "never" acceptable, you are an idiot.
Now, if you want to curtail anti-government speech or criticism of anything government-related then you are entering a constitutionally protected area in which no law can be passed to restrict that speech. The "press" has even been given "Constitutional privilege" to print that speech and the Government can do nothing to regulte or punish them for doing so.
Now a private person or company can still try and punch you in the nose for your anti-government speech but then that violates other laws and ordinances.
BUT! and this is a HUGE BUT! If a private person or company is acting as an agent of the Government, they both are violating your civil rights and you have every right to resist up to and including violence.
The gaslighters have stolen this by creating several butt hurt hyphenated gender-confused generations of children that don't seem to reach maturity until after they are 40 or so if ever.
Here is a hint. When reading all the current "free speech" stories, replace free speech with censorship the gaslighting changes.

Musk never says he will end the censorship, he just says he will make it transparent. But the gaslighters gloss over that with their own narrative to serve their own agenda.
 
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If you shout fire in a crowded theater, contract with a hit man, or threaten people you are not charged with a first amendment violation. It’s harassment, or attempted murder, and probably disorderly conduct for the theater incident.
 
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Understanding that the biggest offense of all is that humans might restrain themselves from expressing their opinions and true thoughts due to fear of repercussions or lack of acceptance from others.
Listening to things we might not like is not only encouraged but necessary.
We can let them know our disagreement but we always must let them talk.
That is more important than anything else, including and specially our own feelings.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
If you shout fire in a crowded theater, contract with a hit man, or threaten people you are not charged with a first amendment violation. It’s harassment, or attempted murder, and probably disorderly conduct for the theater incident.
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You can be responsible for the results of your speech.

If yelling fire in a theater results in a panic and people get hurt, then you are responsible.

If the only result is people telling you to shut up and sit down, then no harm no foul.

Same with the hit man. You can talk to him all day. Until you hand over money or sign a contract, again, no harm no foul.

Threatening people is a bit less clear cut, but again, if they call your bluff there's no harm. If you react to the threat (leave the area, etc...), then you've been harmed and it's criminal.
 
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I believe in free speech and the First Amendment so much that I genuinely believe that anyone who accepted a job at, came up with the idea for,or participates in the NHS's new "Disinformation Governance Board" should at least be publicly hanged, but I would prefer impalement and would settle for a firing squad.

www.theblaze.com

DHS creates 'disinformation governance board,' appoints leader who peddled disinformation about Hunter Biden laptop, Trump dossier | Blaze Media

The Department of Homeland Security was criticized Thursday over the creation of a new department whose mission is to combat the spread of "disinformation."What are the details?According to Politico, the DHS has established the Disinformation Governance Board, which will "coordinate countering...
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New Disinformation Governance Board better suited for dictatorships: Gabbard​


New Disinformation Governance Board better suited for dictatorships: Gabbard

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This lady is simply amazing.

Her and Ron DeSantis would be my dream ticket.
 
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spat said:
You can be responsible for the results of your speech.

If yelling fire in a theater results in a panic and people get hurt, then you are responsible.

If the only result is people telling you to shut up and sit down, then no harm no foul.

Same with the hit man. You can talk to him all day. Until you hand over money or sign a contract, again, no harm no foul.

Threatening people is a bit less clear cut, but again, if they call your bluff there's no harm. If you react to the threat (leave the area, etc...), then you've been harmed and it's criminal.
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You’re correct and that’s why the police wait to arrest until when money has changed hands in nearly all hitman situations and drug deals. No money no contract.
 
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I believe you can use the most disgraceful racist talk, all day long, and it is 100% legal.

If your boss decides it is disruptive - you are gone. As you would be with any disruptive speech. Even if you are just yakking about Sports all day.

If you get into a fight with someone - that's a criminal matter. But the Police have no right to knock on your door just because you say awful things.

I also do not believe your Employer has any business in what you say or do off the clock.

Belong to the KKK; do drugs - no one's business if it's on your own time.

It needs to be illegal for an employer to discipline employees for ANYTHING they do privately.

If the employee is breaking some law, that's a matter for the police and the courts.

This shit about subjecting employees to drug tests must end.

BTW, I don't smoke pot. So no skin in the game.
 
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Xae289 said:
I believe in free speech and the First Amendment so much that I genuinely believe that anyone who accepted a job at, came up with the idea for,or participates in the NHS's new "Disinformation Governance Board" should at least be publicly hanged, but I would prefer impalement and would settle for a firing squad.

www.theblaze.com

DHS creates 'disinformation governance board,' appoints leader who peddled disinformation about Hunter Biden laptop, Trump dossier | Blaze Media

The Department of Homeland Security was criticized Thursday over the creation of a new department whose mission is to combat the spread of "disinformation."What are the details?According to Politico, the DHS has established the Disinformation Governance Board, which will "coordinate countering...
www.theblaze.com www.theblaze.com
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Xae289 said:
When Biden and the Dems lose power, the Republicans have exactly one shot left to really roll up and take out the trash. There need to be serious consequences for this spiral into tyranny. If they don't do it legally, this country won't be able to stay together.
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The "Republicans", as a party, are a joke, led by pompous fools like McConnell, Sasse and Romney.

These aren't conservatives, they're "decepticons"...a word coined by Sundance at CTH, IIRC.

They controlled everything for the first 2 years of Trump's administration, and they did nothing.

They're just Maoists of a different color.

They won't "fix" anything, at least not what "we" would like to see fixed.

They've become powerful and wealthy by being "professional losers", and it appears they're OK with that role.

The game is rigged, and they're in on the fix.
 
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Fire in a crowded theater is neither law, nor case law.

Speech should not infringed.

Note, that means the government may not limit it in any way.
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Many will argue and say the exact opposite. They will state that there is in fact case law. I got into a discussion about this over in the Twitter world.

So many like to bring up Schenck V United States in 1919, and Brandenburg V Ohio in 1969.

Many like to bring up Espionage of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. And, of course they are wrong. They love to Quote Justice Holmes and use only a few words of his statements. They never seem to look deeper nor do they seem willing to read words spoken by him a short time after his decisions. The following is a decent little read on the issue.



abovethelaw.com

Why Falsely Claiming It's Illegal To Shout Fire In A Crowded Theater Distorts Any Conversation About Online Speech - Above the Law

Don't give this a free pass.
abovethelaw.com abovethelaw.com
 
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That's what you get when you pack your administration full of affirmative action hires.

When Trump appointed a minority you can rest assured he did it because that person was the best choice for the job.

When Biden's handlers do it, you know it's largely due to superficial reasons like skin color, or mental disorder.
 
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CaseHardened said:
It is oft explained you cannot shout FIRE in a crowded theatre.

I believe it is 100% your Free Speech Right to do so.

But then you might be indicted for causing a riot. But you should not be prosecuted for any "Free Speech" violation.

I also believe you can say vile, racist rants.

Or state quite clearly your desire to harm someone.

These are unacceptable things to say, but if they are prosecuted it should not be because they violate Free Speech.

Are contracts with "Hit Men" a violation of Free Speech ? They are not.

There are many verbal statements that are criminal. But none violate Free Speech.

And this is the problem.

The right to Free Speech has been completely corrupted.

Society has criminalized much that it should not.
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Say what you want, and be prepared to bear responsibility for your words and actions. Call that guys wife a fat skanky whore if you want to, but be prepared to have your ass kicked and don’t complain when it happens.
 
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