When does everyone think Ammo will be back to acceptable levels

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Celt said:
Tough to say. For me, if i only wanted enough for a shtf scenario and i wasnt planning on wasting any id say at least 2500 per primary caliber, although id feel better with 5k each. Even though if I ever had to bug out on foot i couldnt carry it all.

If it wasnt shtf, and it was just times like this where ammo is unseasonably priced, but i still wanted to train id say anywhere from 5k -7500k. If i could affoid it id like to have no less than 10k of each primary caliber, and id still buy more if it were on sale.

I suppose if i had 20k of 9mm and 556 each i wouldnt feel the need to spend more on ammo.

Im not dry, and i can afford to train with live ammo to some extent, but Id feel alot better with more before i did too much live fire training.
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That's about exactly my feeling and position. I could typically go through 5 to 6 thousand rounds per year of 9mm practicing, training and competing. I'd like to have at least two years' worth in reserve. So, anywhere between 15 and 18 thousand would be a comfortable number for that caliber.
 
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GOPerfect said:
This has occurred in the past and it will happen again. Ammo will come back to the stores. Ammo prices will drop. The vast majority of people will not learn from this.

The vast majority will NOT stock up when all of this ends and ammo goes back to normal.
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You can bet your Nordic white ass I'm going to stock up bigly!
At this point I'm down to defensive stock for my .40, hunting stock for my AR and shotgun. Right now I'm about ready to swallow my pride and slum it to buy from Dickheads.
 
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I was going to buy 250 shells of 12 Ga for $1 a shell, but then I thought.

What are the odds that I could actually get off 250 Shells before being killed myself ?

I figure mebe 100, then the remaining 150 would be a bonus for the thugs.

So no.
 
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A lot depends on what the ammo is for, hunting, recreation, SHTF, or something else.
If it is SHTF, then you have to take the sum of the factors you believe will come to play and plan accordingly. If you plan is 'bug out', How much can you carry, on foot, by car, by bike, what's you plan(?), hunker down(?), totally different. Having ammo on hand is one thing for you shooting pleasure is one thing, having a strategic reserve is another and shouldn't be touched, it should be magged up and really accessible, in the most common caliber's, .223, 9mm, .308, 45ACP, and of course you have tool's to use that fodder.
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Robin said:
A lot depends on what the ammo is for, hunting, recreation, SHTF, or something else.
If it is SHTF, then you have to take the sum of the factors you believe will come to play and plan accordingly. If you plan is 'bug out', How much can you carry, on foot, by car, by bike, what's you plan(?), hunker down(?), totally different. Having ammo on hand is one thing for you shooting pleasure is one thing, having a strategic reserve is another and shouldn't be touched, it should be magged up and really accessible, in the most common caliber's, .223, 9mm, .308, 45ACP, and of course you have tool's to use that fodder.
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I agree. I have 14 mags stuffed with self defense rounds of .45, I have 15 mags of .223 stuffed and ready, I have 8 mags of 9mm stuffed with self defense and I have 4 mags of .389 stuffed with self defense. I also have 2 shotguns with lots of buckshot and turkey loads for the wife.
My plan is to bug in if at all possible. I do live in a small city so I would have to defend my castle for sure. Others around me would not make it long since none of them except one guy down the street are prepared. I’m judging his preparedness by a black riffles matter sticker on his truck so that’s debatable. Lots of small game around and I’m sure no one has 25-30,000 rounds of 22 to harvest them like I do. I have good tactical advantages and wonderful sight lines. I have a pond for water and lots of materials and supplies.
 
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spat said:
To be fair, this is the 3rd massive year long shortage in a decade. Maybe they *should* add capacity. Seems like you could predict another one coming pretty easily.

Add some capacity, and build a warehouse. Spend a couple years filling the warehouse with the extra capacity then cash in when the next shortage hits.
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"Lean" and "just in time" manufacturing put the breaks on planning ahead and preparing.
 
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I listened to a gun shop owner on the radio this morning and he said he sees no end in sight. His distributor will only sell boxes when he can, no cases, and he can't get guns either, pretty much has to take the one or two offered to him.
This whole thing just doesn't add up to my way of thinking, I just can't put a logical cause and effect to it.
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Robin said:
I listened to a gun shop owner on the radio this morning and he said he sees no end in sight. His distributor will only sell boxes when he can, no cases, and he can't get guns either, pretty much has to take the one or two offered to him.
This whole thing just doesn't add up to my way of thinking, I just can't put a logical cause and effect to it.
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When your lean supply chain was running at 98% capacity, a 3% increase in demand can cause widespread outages.

If those outages cause a further increase in demand, you have entered the death spiral. It will last until people get sick of stockpiling, or the supply chain decides it's going to last long enough that it's worth capital expenditures to increase capacity.
 
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spat said:
When your lean supply chain was running at 98% capacity, a 3% increase in demand can cause widespread outages.

If those outages cause a further increase in demand, you have entered the death spiral. It will last until people get sick of stockpiling, or the supply chain decides it's going to last long enough that it's worth capital expenditures to increase capacity.
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Apparently eddy gets it, I do not, especially when coupled with reloading components,
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Modean said:
Wow. I was paying $140/1000 for Blazer just a year ago. Glad I bought a bunch.
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$0.14 / Rd for 9mm? I don't recall it ever being that low are you sure that wasn't for 500 (or even 250) rounds?
 
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I wonder where all the ammo is going? Production has not been cut all that much, at least from what I have read.

Who is buying all of the ammo? Where is it going?

I wonder why the County, State and Federal Government entities have ordered upwards of TEN times the ammo they ordered last year????
 
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