White House Says CDC Will Halt Evictions Using Quarantine Rules

[Blimey]

I guess the CDC gets some new de facto authority.

This is a terrible idea now, it was a terrible idea before. The impact to the rental market is not known, but it will be significant. I was always against this. The government has seized the use of property with no legal recourse for landlords, around half of whom are small-time operators and rely on rentals not as their business but potentially as their livelihood or nest egg. They are still expected to pay property taxes, maintenance, repairs, and mortgages.

The only way this was ever an acceptable approach is if renters could directly appeal to government to cover their rent payments. This has put the onus on landlords to foot the bill.

Hilariously + idiotically, proponents of this are keen to point out it is not without rent. it's just "deferred". The reality of course is that many of these deferred renters will never be able to pay pack thousands in rent. They will be evicted, and the landlord will have a judgement in court, which will amount to nothing as they try to pull blood from a stone.

The move is an unprecedented use of executive authority, and may face legal challenges from landlords who have seen rental income evaporate during the crisis.

White House Says CDC Will Halt Evictions Using Quarantine Rules

The Trump administration said it will use its quarantine authority to keep renters in their homes during the coronavirus pandemic as a way to prevent an eviction crisis that could worsen economic strains.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[tirwin1]

Welcome to the administrative state where the president and more importantly congress refuses to act and instead allows an agency to make a sweeping change by fiat. This is a terrible precedent to set. Sooner or later the democrats will be in power and they are drooling at the ability to use this power. All in the name of doing good.

How about we let everyone go back to work so they can pay their rent?

 

[BDinPutnam]

Welcome to the administrative state where the president and more importantly congress refuses to act and instead allows an agency to make a sweeping change by fiat. This is a terrible precedent to set. Sooner or later the democrats will be in power and they are drooling at the ability to use this power. All in the name of doing good.

How about we let everyone go back to work so they can pay their rent?

I would replace "allows" with "directs" in regard to the executive branch part of your statement.

 

[Criticalt]

Dang, I wish I paid rent so I wouldnt have to.

 

[tirwin1]

I would replace "allows" with "directs" in regard to the executive branch part of your statement.

You are right but Trump is still hiding somewhat behind the CDC. The feckless cowards in congress won't do anything about this. What a terrible precedent.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Dang, I wish I paid rent so I wouldnt have to.

Remember the good ole days when your mother told you to go to your room?

Now the government grounds us......................

 

[Cooolone]

Welcome to the administrative state where the president and more importantly congress refuses to act and instead allows an agency to make a sweeping change by fiat. This is a terrible precedent to set. Sooner or later the democrats will be in power and they are drooling at the ability to use this power. All in the name of doing good.

How about we let everyone go back to work so they can pay their rent?

They already used this... The Obama administration empowered agencies to get crazy... The IRS, the EPA, etc ...

Welcome to the new normal where legislators do nothing but bitch, and the govt mid level employees dictate policy and edicts absent law... And yes, the Executive is watching it happen! Who the fuck is the Center for Disease Control to determine the legalities of rental properties? Simply amazing!

And it only works if banks cannot foreclose for failure to pay mortgages... It's a vicious cycle!

I have a friend that works in the courts (L.I.) and handles foreclosures, they're only handling like 10 cases per day, I'm sure evictions won't be much different though. And this is before this edict!

I wonder when we will be able to just go take food from the supermarket because we need to eat? No money... Same for gas at the pump, etc!

Mentalities like this can contribute to hastening the collapse... Wait for it!

 

[Blimey]

I have a friend that works in the courts (L.I.) and handles foreclosures, they're only handling like 10 cases per day, I'm sure evictions won't be much different though. And this is before this edict!

Timeline on evictions differs by state. NY is--big surprise--one of the slower ones. With the huge backlog building they could allow evictions tomorrow and it would be many, many months before new cases get adjudicated. You're going to have landlords going 6-12 months if not more, IMO, before getting some of the more tenacious deadbeats evicted.

Imagine taking out a mortgage on a $150k property, you're out $5500 in property taxes anyway, another $6k in mortgage payments, plus $1500 in maintenance/repairs and only grossing $17-18k to begin with. You get one of these shit tenants, plus damages when they move out you could be years recovering.

 

[repete]

Timeline on evictions differs by state. NY is--big surprise--one of the slower ones. With the huge backlog building they could allow evictions tomorrow and it would be many, many months before new cases get adjudicated. You're going to have landlords going 6-12 months if not more, IMO, before getting some of the more tenacious deadbeats evicted.

Imagine taking out a mortgage on a $150k property, you're out $5500 in property taxes anyway, another $6k in mortgage payments, plus $1500 in maintenance/repairs and only grossing $17-18k to begin with. You get one of these shit tenants, plus damages when they move out you could be years recovering. If they ever recover!

There I fixed it for you.
This is wrong on sooo many levels. I understand the concern about the economy and homelessness but what about responsibility? What happened to the $1200 stimulus? What happened to peoples unemployment checks? what happened to the extra $600 a week in Fed unemployment money? What did they do with their savings (if any)?Did they even attempt to pay their bills?
Does this mean the Feds are going to bail out landlords? If they do that does that mean the dead beats will have that amount added to their tax bill? YEAH LIKE THAT'LL HAPPEN!

 

[tirwin1]

Where does it end? Will landlords get bailed out when they start defaulting? Probably not since it is more politically palatable to bail out renters than landlords.

Just open up the economy already.

 

[Defilade]

Maybe BLM and Antifa has it right. Burn everything down and reset! The craziness is off the charts.

 

[drowhawk]

This has really put a damper on our living situation. We live in a camper 6 months out of the year and then find a lake rental for the winter months. We do this because it's super cheap, we don't have kids, and we love having our house on wheels whenever we vacation in the summer.

Normally this is the time of year we start putting our feelers out for a lake rental and they are very few and far between. Quite a few folks we have talked to are not renting this year because they are worried they'll end up with squatters that won't pay rent and won't leave.

Wanna buy a house right now outside of the city? Good luck. Sellers won't even CONSIDER anything but a cash offer. We are very close to telling our last rental that we are coming back, come hell or high water, and we are going to pay them rent. I hate to do something like that but we have established residency there and might literally have nowhere else to go. And then we'll be contributing to the problem....

Fun stuff.

 

[Saltwater60]

Just keep expanding the government and soon I’ll have to call the CDC when I wipe my ass to find out if I’m doing it properly.
Honestly my grandmothers house was for sale and I thought about buying it as rental property. I heard the corona virus bullshit and how you can’t evict anyone for any reason and I told my mom forget it just sell it to some one else. Not worth it.

 

[Cooolone]

That's what all this is certainly about, an unprecedented expansion of Gov't powers and intrusion into provide lives and enterprise! In one fell swoop, they've managed to grab onto power their forebearers could only dream of! Even down to academia deciding what you can wear in your home, what you may do or not do in your home, etc. Employers are soon to follow with all the remote business going on, just wait for it. The indoctrination of forced vaccination in regard to Covid-19 has begun, and I'm sure you'll need this certification for access to a great many things, like travel, education and even yes, employment!

One fucking fell swoop... Just wow!

Powers seized are never relaxed! 9-11 has shown us the way, and they're just supersizing it!

 

[SonOfSun]

Where does it end? Will landlords get bailed out when they start defaulting? Probably not since it is more politically palatable to bail out renters than landlords.

Just open up the economy already.

Not that I agree with bailing out renters in general.... But if you bail out renters then you are bailing out the landlords as well. IE. Renters take bail money and pay landlords with it, at least if the bail plan is even remotely thought out. It's not money for H&B, it's to pay necessary bills.

Only reason I'm even remotely ok with bailout in this case is the govt. made workplaces shutdown. Lots of people wanted to work but the govt. said no. Can't do that and then say go starve.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Not that I agree with bailing out renters in general.... But if you bail out renters then you are bailing out the landlords as well. IE. Renters take bail money and pay landlords with it, at least if the bail plan is even remotely thought out. It's not money for H&B, it's to pay necessary bills.

Only reason I'm even remotely ok with bailout in this case is the govt. made workplaces shutdown. Lots of people wanted to work but the govt. said no. Can't do that and then say go starve.

What "bailout"? They are halting evictions. Period. Full stop. It says nothing about archaic ideas like "payments" to anyone.

 

[SonOfSun]

K

What "bailout"? They are halting evictions. Period. Full stop. It says nothing about archaic ideas like "payments" to anyone.

I was discussing the idea of renters being bailed out perthe post I quoted.

 

[spat]

KI was discussing the idea of renters being bailed out perthe post I quoted.

The simple solution is to follow the 5th amendment.

If the government is going to "take" your ability to work by executive fiat, then it needs to provide fair compensation.

So, if there really is a public need for hairdressers, etc to stay home, then the public (i.e. the government) needs to compensate them for taking their right to earn a living.

If the cost of the shutdown came out of government coffers instead of being forced on private individuals against their will, I bet they would find a lot less stuff that needed to be shut down.

 

[Catskillkid]

Earlier this year the (pre-COVID) the biggest thing I did in court was summary proceedings (basically landlord-tenant disputes and not-so-shockingly the majority of them end up as evictions). When COVID happened that all stopped until August 30. I told everyone from the beginning that NYS would extend that and guess what? I was right. No evictions can proceed in NY until at least October 30 and I bet they'll extend that too. We can take filings but no action can be taken on them.

There are lots of landlords who haven't received any rent since March and they can't do a thing about their tenants. Contrary to popular belief not every landlord is a scumbag slumlord (though there are more of those than I care to admit if I'm being honest). Many are regular folks who have one or two rentals to either live on or supplement their income. They're not rich people, they're getting no bailouts, and no relief is in sight. And the tax man sure as hell won't be giving them a deferment.

 

[Blimey]

This has really put a damper on our living situation. We live in a camper 6 months out of the year and then find a lake rental for the winter months. We do this because it's super cheap, we don't have kids, and we love having our house on wheels whenever we vacation in the summer.

Normally this is the time of year we start putting our feelers out for a lake rental and they are very few and far between. Quite a few folks we have talked to are not renting this year because they are worried they'll end up with squatters that won't pay rent and won't leave.

Wanna buy a house right now outside of the city? Good luck. Sellers won't even CONSIDER anything but a cash offer. We are very close to telling our last rental that we are coming back, come hell or high water, and we are going to pay them rent. I hate to do something like that but we have established residency there and might literally have nowhere else to go. And then we'll be contributing to the problem....

Fun stuff.

They can only legally ask for a certain amount of money, e.g. first month and deposit. But you may be able to simply pay them more to help assuage fears of not paying and an eviction nightmare. You also sound like a very safe demographic to have as a renter.

Just keep expanding the government and soon I’ll have to call the CDC when I wipe my ass to find out if I’m doing it properly.
Honestly my grandmothers house was for sale and I thought about buying it as rental property. I heard the corona virus bullshit and how you can’t evict anyone for any reason and I told my mom forget it just sell it to some one else. Not worth it.

There is a house next to mine that is kind of a dump, but slightly out of sight. It has some land. The current owner is just off to a nursing home so I'm sure it will hit the market. Strongly considered picking it up as a rental to ensure I have control over its property, but I also cannot risk it. I don't have the money, nor most importantly the lack of homicidal tendencies, to drive past a dead beat day after day if they decide to stop paying.

 

[Blimey]

Earlier this year the (pre-COVID) the biggest thing I did in court was summary proceedings (basically landlord-tenant disputes and not-so-shockingly the majority of them end up as evictions). When COVID happened that all stopped until August 30. I told everyone from the beginning that NYS would extend that and guess what? I was right. No evictions can proceed in NY until at least October 30 and I bet they'll extend that too. We can take filings but no action can be taken on them.

There are lots of landlords who haven't received any rent since March and they can't do a thing about their tenants. Contrary to popular belief not every landlord is a scumbag slumlord (though there are more of those than I care to admit if I'm being honest). Many are regular folks who have one or two rentals to either live on or supplement their income. They're not rich people, they're getting no bailouts, and no relief is in sight. And the tax man sure as hell won't be giving them a deferment.

They have been robbed. This is akin to the government saying I am building a road on your property and as for compensation? Fuck you. Tough shit. But, I'm not actually taking your property, I'm just building a road on it. You still get to pay property taxes on it, because fuck you. Also, now you're on the books for that road maintenance as well, and no we're not compensating you for that, either.

As a practical matter, is this truly much different than seizing vacant homes? E.g. I have a second home at the lake, and now the government just takes that and drops somebody in it? These landlords are still having to pay for everything, but get nothing. If I was a landlord this would drive me to a place I wouldn't want to go.