Why does no one actually read the Second Amendment ?

[CaseHardened]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ok.

So can we report even ONE "well regulated Militia" in this Country ?

Historically, did we ever have one ?

Does the reasoning that "Militia" = "Army" hold water ?

Personally, I am thinking the National Guard was originally created to be controlled by each State Governor, and was to be largrely independent of the Federal Goverment.

But the 2A is so unclear.

What do you think it means ?

 

[m1a_scoutguy]

The Militia back then was "anyone" but mostly able-body males 18 and above! And it's obvious to ME that The Right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed. Very basic & very clear in my eyes. There's NO reading between the lines on this.

 

[GOYABEAN]

You are the Militia a individual and in one their are many

 

[repete]

And the "well regulated" part refers to being well supplied with a weapon and the ammo for it.

 

[tirwin1]

What I would give for a time machine to go back and tell those guys to drop the whole militia part.

 

[Celt]

There is the organized, and unorganized militias. Organized is part time soldiers who get paid, the unorganized is the common man.

 

[subsonic]

The New York Guard (not national guard) is NY's state militia. They are volunteers and commanded by only the governor. Not sure if they ever get paid when they are activated but they are not paid to train and drill.

DeSantis got ripped for reactivating the state guard in Florida last December but few "journalists" including New York based ones bothered to note that New York already has the New York Guard, California has the California State Guard, etc.

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[Cooolone]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ok.

So can we report even ONE "well regulated Militia" in this Country ?

Historically, did we ever have one ?

Does the reasoning that "Militia" = "Army" hold water ?

Personally, I am thinking the National Guard was originally created to be controlled by each State Governor, and was to be largrely independent of the Federal Goverment.

But the 2A is so unclear.

What do you think it means ?

Nothing unclear about it... And SCOTUS answered the question as well.

The PEOPLE are the MILITIA...

No need for formalities, or an assembly recognized by the Federal Gov't, or their approval either.

The PEOPLE ... "WE" are the people, "WE" are the MILITIA. In the street walking to our car, playing in the park, etc. Done!

 

[dsdmmat]

Well regulated means trained. When called to defend your town, state or country you were required to show up with your own gun, powder, bullets and know how to use it.

 

[Darth]

The 2A says nothing of the rights of the militia, so the rest on that end is irrelevant really.

"I just repainted the siding on my house, therefor we shall not drop infants into woodchippers too close to my house."

By the anti nutter arguments, if I did not just repaint my house, we wouldn't have reason to not drop infants into woodchippers near my house.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

only with muskets

 

[ManualF150]

Well regulated means trained. When called to defend your town, state or country you were required to show up with your own gun, powder, bullets and know how to use it.

That is why I've invested the time to learn how to make my own powder (22lr for now), learn to reload and most importantly know how to safely operate a variety of guns in case that time ever arises.

Next steps are casting my own bullets, figure out how to make my own primers, and eventually make my own guns (not for resale) for personal use. It's all doable, just time...

I really love shooting the ammo I manufacture. Something about it is very enjoyable.

Even in 2022, folks think the government can protect them from invading forces. Wrong. Dead wrong. Nothing has changed, other than people's mindsets and views because of laziness and what they see/interpret on the media.

 

[Jmac00]

Good news, my wife gave me permission to be the general in my mailitia, so all you motherfuckers better salute me next time we have a meeting

 

[Darth]

Good news, my wife gave me permission to be the general in my mailitia, so all you motherfuckers better salute me next time we have a meeting

Yes daddy.

 

[spat]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ok.

So can we report even ONE "well regulated Militia" in this Country ?

Historically, did we ever have one ?

Does the reasoning that "Militia" = "Army" hold water ?

Personally, I am thinking the National Guard was originally created to be controlled by each State Governor, and was to be largrely independent of the Federal Goverment.

But the 2A is so unclear.

What do you think it means ?

"Here is George Mason's quote in full, as recorded in the transcripts of the Virginia Ratifying Convention: “I ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day."

 

[Acer-m14]

Well regulated means you have a gun and powder and balls and can load and shoot the gun .. who the hell trained all the 15yr olds or younger who fought how to shoot .. wasn't the States Government . was papa and grand pa ..

 

[Acer-m14]

anyone read the founders papers ??

 

[Bananabandit]

Got my mobile copy for on-the-go reminders.

 

[dsdmmat]

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Got my mobile copy for on-the-go reminders.

I see you have your carry permit.

 

[Bananabandit]

I see you have your carry permit.

Cant be taken from me now.

 

[Paxal]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Ok.

So can we report even ONE "well regulated Militia" in this Country ?

Historically, did we ever have one ?

Does the reasoning that "Militia" = "Army" hold water ?

Personally, I am thinking the National Guard was originally created to be controlled by each State Governor, and was to be largrely independent of the Federal Goverment.

But the 2A is so unclear.

What do you think it means ?

Militias were and are comprised of “the people”. Therefore the people need to have weapons of war in their possesion in order to be able to create “a well regulated militia.

 

[diggs223]

Major problem today, people read in today's English and context. 1700 English is almost a foreign language. If people took the time to actually uderstand what was said maybe they'd get it.

 

[wizrd]

The key word here - is the word "SHALL" -- in legal terms, 'shall' denotes something that is mandatory, carved in stone, forever. 'SHALL NOT be infringed' - live by it.

 

[GOPerfect]

I have news for ya'll///

Most Americans have no clue of any of their Rights. No clue our basic foundations, no idea what the Rights mean for all people.

They are far more concerned about their feelings, emotions and sociall media.

 

[spat]

I have news for ya'll///

Most Americans have no clue of any of their Rights. No clue our basic foundations, no idea what the Rights mean for all people.

They are far more concerned about their feelings, emotions and sociall media.

And then they believe in all sorts of imaginary rights that not only don't exist, but *can't* exist.

 

[CaseHardened]

Too many cannot look between their legs and recoginze their sex.

 

[CaseHardened]

A Nation that worships Imbeciles and Perverts.

 

[cgrutt]

I see you have your carry permit.

Yeah but only good for small arms.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

If you want to know what a militia is, simply look at your rural volunteer firehouse.
Remove all of the State and Federal mandates (OSHA, etc), and it's what a militia was. Franklin based the concept on a militia.

Anyone can make a fire department in NYS.

Anyone.

You can belong to as many fire departments as you can get into (modern LOSAP caveats notwithstanding).

Each fire department has internally developed policies, pre-plans, and procedures that are (hopefully) well rehearsed. The result of that is "well regulated".


Richard Henry Lee's experience during the French and Indian War pretty much sums up the essence of a militia.

West Virginia was a warzone. Lee wanted his local militia in Virginia to go help out, but the leadership refused.

Lee started his own militia, recruiting a bunch of guys from various existing ones.

They grabbed their kit, marched their asses to WV, and reported to the local militia leaders there.

The WV militias said, "Thanks for coming, it's good to know you've got our back. Go home."

Lee's crew marched back to VA, disbanded their militia, and simply returned to whatever militia they were already in before they left.

That is the nature of a Well Regulated Militia, right down to unilaterally making your own.

The War of 1812 drives the 2A home. The Brits would land anywhere they wanted and raid for supplies with impunity. NO government has the authority to compel citizenry to cede ANY advantage to those Royal Marines. NO government has the authority to compel citizenry to even give those Royal Marines a fair fight. Every person, every village and township has the natural right to absolutely wipe those heavily armed, well equipped and highly motivated Royal Marines off the map by every means possible, without limits.