kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
It isn't.
Why is Re-certification Even Needed?
- Thread starter zogger
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It isn't.
"To make sure the system is currently wedded out of the crazies and old days."
Yeah, how do the other states even survive without it.
Don't enforce the laws on the books. In fact, with the massive opposition to SAFE, I'm not sure all that many people in NY even say "just enforce the laws on the books." I certainly don't. Burn the books.
Yeah, how do the other states even survive without it.
Don't enforce the laws on the books. In fact, with the massive opposition to SAFE, I'm not sure all that many people in NY even say "just enforce the laws on the books." I certainly don't. Burn the books.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
NY is redundant on everything but freedom.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic, funny, or serious.
If not sarcastic or funny, please provide me with a scenario where the governor of NY will commit mass confiscations door to door utilizing thousands of cops to get to millions of gun owners in this state while the rest of the country watches.
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Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
"Free" for the moment, there's always free cheese in the trap.
zogger
22lr
1. Revoke permits of people who have moved out of state without notifying county.
If a person moves out of state, their permit is automatically no good. So if they try to use it in NY, they will be caught. If they are stopped by a LEO and show their driver's license/ID it will show they do not live in NY and hence their permit is not valid.
2. Get a correct address for people that have moved within a county and not updated their address.
How does it do that? Re-certification is every 5 years.
3. Run the name of people who haven't purchased a gun in 30+ against all available databases that would disqualify you from firearm ownership.
So if they run a BC and you fail, they will note in NICS that you can't buy a gun. OK, but who verifies the BC was correct before they update NICS?
IMHO, I am not sure any of the above issues are so important than we need this process.
If a person moves out of state, their permit is automatically no good. So if they try to use it in NY, they will be caught. If they are stopped by a LEO and show their driver's license/ID it will show they do not live in NY and hence their permit is not valid.
2. Get a correct address for people that have moved within a county and not updated their address.
How does it do that? Re-certification is every 5 years.
3. Run the name of people who haven't purchased a gun in 30+ against all available databases that would disqualify you from firearm ownership.
So if they run a BC and you fail, they will note in NICS that you can't buy a gun. OK, but who verifies the BC was correct before they update NICS?
IMHO, I am not sure any of the above issues are so important than we need this process.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
Not sure about the not having a NY DL/ID card. There was a court ruling that you can live in another state(domicile)with their DL, and still maintain a residence in NY while keeping your PP.
Buying more guns in NY? No matter to me as I could buy all I want in FL for instance. I have enough NY neutered guns already.
Buying more guns in NY? No matter to me as I could buy all I want in FL for instance. I have enough NY neutered guns already.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They aren't but that is their reasoning.
1. I just moved officer.
2. Every 5 years is more than never.
3. I don't know. Chances are if you fall a BGC, you'll also fail NICS.
Again. I'm not defending them.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm not going to do that, it's a facetious scenario with no real world beginning or end. I have been around awhile and have seen the incremental loss of our constitutionally assured rights taken bit by bit. It's not all about guns, but the second can sometimes be used as a story pole. Even so, somethings cannot be measured, like rights, if you never had them you don't miss them. This is not the same country I grew up in, not even close. Willis you are a good man, I think you are naive, like many here. I don't mean that as an insult or any thing that might be mistaken as demeaning, its just that you cannot know what you never had, and I cannot explain properly just what a loss of freedom has occurred in the last fifty, sixty years, and just how close we have been to loosing our republic in the last eight years, we are no where near out of the woods yet. I can only apologize for my lacking the ability to articulate in such a manner as you could clearly see what I see, and have seen.
Robin
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
The sole purpose of this bad legislation was to infringe, I have High hope for our New President to get the correct people back in the courts to get this piece of shit over turned
The sole purpose of this bad legislation was to infringe, I have High hope for our New President to get the correct people back in the courts to get this piece of shit over turned
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No sir. No naivity here. I'm aware that years ago you could have bought a gun at your local hardware store or had a car on the road that was pure muscle.
What I'm saying is that NYS on its own is not going to go door to door to on a massive total gun confiscation mission on the whim of a governor.
Who will do these door to door operations? There aren't enough State Police to do that. Something of that magnitude requires hundreds of thousands of men willing to do it.
I'm not saying that under some National Catastrophe is cannot happen nationally. What I'm saying is this state cannot do it alone on their own and only to the citizens of this state and get away with it.
Things would have to be so bad that there was poverty and hunger on a national scale.
What they can do is what they are doing. That is chipping away little by little until the only thing you are left with is a class of guns that you cannot fight with.
thegatman
.308 Win
What better way of keeping track of you state wide. You have to put down your license and all your pistols. I wonder who has access to that new database?
wirehairfan
.40 S&W
Some of you really want to believe in the good intentions and worthwhile motives of NYS on recertification ?? even with all the other outrageous nonsense in the safe act ?? I'm not buying it.
Reasons for recertification:
1. create a state police (ie Cuomo's) database of all permit holders that includes all your handgun information and is linked to your driver license.
2. revoke the permit of anyone who forgets to recertify or is unaware of the requirement.
3. give the journal news access to another source of pistol permit holder information.
Reasons for recertification:
1. create a state police (ie Cuomo's) database of all permit holders that includes all your handgun information and is linked to your driver license.
2. revoke the permit of anyone who forgets to recertify or is unaware of the requirement.
3. give the journal news access to another source of pistol permit holder information.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Could it be that and what was detailed in post 3?
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
You sir will be hearing from my attorney.NY hates firearms and firearms owners. Can you imagine if driver's licenses and car registration was handled in an equivalent manner? Politicians bring little value to the state while the people who bust their asses and get their hands dirty bringing value to the state get their balls busted.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Yup. And many many more sneaky secretive reasons that us peasants will never know..as with any black ops and government wastefulness that we never hear about, this has zero..ZERO do do with any benefit to the citizens at all! This will only benefit the sneaks and scum for their agendas, not one thing will come from this a benefit to the permit holder. By asking us to dance through more hoops, it will cost us time and money to renew and fight an error when this non-existing statewide system screws up something minor and it all falls on the poor nice law abiding gun owner to be smeared and tangled in it's web of bullshit..
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They absolutely want to take guns from everyone who shouldn't have them, the problem is their definition of "people who shouldn't have them". Their idea of "people who shouldn't have them" includes everyone not employed by the government.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If it cost hundreds of dollars to get a license that could easily denied for any arbitrary reason, If you needed to get 4 references to vouch for you and had to provide a reason why you need a car, and if the license was suspended they confiscated all the cars you own ?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Correct. I'll add they are checking you against medical database and tying your permit to your driver license. Other than that I think they are hoping people will not recertify or you'll make a mistake and give up. It's all a game. I just can't believe it's free.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I can't believe in a free country this is even a topic.
robin
robin
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Best way to do it..the material object trained sheep run to things that are "free"..
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Yay, I just got "the letter" from the state police in the mail today. I guess I'll deal with it January 31, 2018. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
That's it, I'm moving to the State of Jefferson
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Busting balls ^2