Zelensky Tries to Lecture Trump and Vance, Gets his Arse Handed to him.

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Dr. Evil said:
Saw this just now:

Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.
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Eh, our NATO obligation isn't any stronger than our obligation to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum was, and you see how that went.

The only reason we need to care about what goes on over there is because they dragged us into their bullshit twice already and we decided no more.

It's worked pretty well for 75 years, so while getting out of babysitting duty sounds real nice, it will end up with a bigger mess for us to clean up in the long run.
 
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On Friday, Ukrainian President Zelensky met with a bipartisan group of US Senators and warmongers before his meeting with President Trump.
The meeting was held at the Hay Adams Hotel across from the White House and took place before Zelensky went to the White House.
Our discussions focused on the continued military assistance for Ukraine, relevant legislative initiatives, my meeting with President Trump, efforts to achieve a just and lasting peace, our vision for ending the war, and the importance of robust security guarantees.



  • Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
  • Jacky Rosen (D-NV)
  • Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
  • “Danang Dick” (Richard Blumenthal) (D-CT)
  • Roger Wicker (R-MS)
  • Charles Grassley (R-IA)
  • Chris Murphy (D-CT)
  • Peter Welch (D-VT)
  • Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
  • Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
This was a disgrace and undermined President Trump’s historic peace talks. Remember this when the primary season comes around!

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Bipartisan Group of RINOs and Democrat Senators Met with Zelensky and Blew Smoke Up His A$$ Before He Met with Trump - Zelensky Releases Video where You Can See Clearly Who Participated | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

A recent meeting between Ukrainian President Zelensky and a bipartisan group of U.S. Senators raises questions about priorities in American foreign policy. The subsequent events highlight tensions surrounding ongoing military support for Ukraine.
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UKRAINE: Obama’s team including Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Alexander Vindman advised Zelensky to reject Trump’s deal in violation of the Logan Act. h/t @MatthewNichol5
 
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Funny AI video trump Zalensky fist fighting

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Geo News English on Instagram: "An AI-generated video circulating online depicts US President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a heated physical altercation. In the viral footage, Zelensky appears

1,377 likes, 75 comments - geonewsdottv on March 1, 2025: "An AI-generated video circulating online depicts US President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a heated physical altercation. In the viral footage, Zelensky appears to grab Trump’s...
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And the UK has given Ukraine $ as a loan!

Every dollar given past this point must be represented as a loan with repayment obligations acknowledged and agreed to by Ukraine!

What's good for one is good for all! No more gifts, grants or other handouts! Want to play?

Ukraine made a mistake when the surrendered their 1,900 nuclear warheads. Yes, the U.S. and Russia were part of that deal and the U.S. giving guarantees then... But this is different. Zelensky isn't a statesman, he's a fucking comedian that isn't funny!

Is funny how the news media is so quick to dismiss the previous 30+ minutes of the meeting between those 3! Where Trump committed to providing security and continued arms to Ukraine. Then Zelensky cries about guarantees... What a fucking moron! Definitely thought he would pull something on live TV but it didn't work. Too bad shithead!

Next time, wear a fucking suit, and beg...
 
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Dr. Evil said:
Saw this just now:

Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.
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Who wrote that?

I'd be interested in their views on other things.
 
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rushmore said:
… but Elon Musk is allowed to Prance around the WH in a ball cap and tshirt? Seems like a double standard to me.
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Elon isn’t ahead of state.
Beerman said:
Can someone tell me when the US became great friends with Russia? I don’t remember growing up in this country with love and trust in my heart where the USSR (now Russia) was concerned, yet here we are in 2025 with a suddenly much different outlook on Putin than one might expect. I’ve heard that over 80% of Americans polled do not trust Putin. That tells me that we, THE PEOPLE, do not find an ally, friend, or partner in Russia, but our administration trusts Putin to keep a deal. WTF?
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willing to work with someone and being pals are far from the same. This kind of one dimensional thinking is what gets us dragged in shit in the first place.
 
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Robin said:
I am all for finding common ground and working with Russia. We were well on our way to having just such an alliance with them till the democrats chose them as the scape goat for every dirty deed one world government they ere performing.
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Explainable with 1 word - fucking Neo-Cons...OK, that's 2 words.

Victoria Nuland, Blinken, etc. Fucking war mongers and war profiteers.

Look into their family members. A who's who of Neo-Con bottom feeders.

They started this BS in Ukraine by direct intervention in 2014. The CIA has been there for decades.

Now if the fUSA is OUT, they have to put up or shut up.

Trump has to stick to his guns on this.
 
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