NYC bill lowering speed limits again - would be 5-20 MPH on most streets

[Cooolone]

NY Shitty is a joke! Right to travel doesn't mean being able to travel in a reasonable amount of time from place of origin to destination!

It's all about "Safety"...

And unbelievable extended use of this arbitrary all encompassing word used to describe and unreasonably seizure upon powers by the ruling elite ... Remember, it's all for the children after all!!!

Bottom line is the Shitty wants to do away with cars at all. Fuck NY Shitty!

 

[Acer-m14]

NYC to chicken to just ban all autos .. cars , trucks , AND MTA busses ..

 

[spat]

We are talking about speed cameras and ridiculous speed limits combination.

LOL, so communist china is fine, because despite their concentration camps, modern slavery, and totalitarian regime, their speed limits are reasonable ?

Is that seriously the argument you're going for ?

 

[Mosinitis]

LOL, so communist china is fine, because despite their concentration camps, modern slavery, and totalitarian regime, their speed limits are reasonable ?

Is that seriously the argument you're going for ?

Communist(?) China could be the right balance between the two systems, certainly its success can't be denied. This is what scares ideologs in this country. Washington think tanks and "Democracy/Freedom BS" institutions shit themselves watching China's success.

Tiananmen Square revolution pushed on China by the West was suppressed and spared China from plunging into chaos and civil wars. China slowly adopted market economy and kept what worked under communist rule.

Soviet Union failed to act under similar circumstances and was swallowed by the West. It only brought chaos, deaths and misery that took decades to recover from. Russia's territorial integrity may never be recovered.

 

[ManualF150]

Dave is a very interesting guy.

 

[spat]

Communist(?) China could be the right balance between the two systems, certainly its success can't be denied. This is what scares ideologs in this country. Washington think tanks and "Democracy/Freedom BS" institutions shit themselves watching China's success.

Tiananmen Square revolution pushed on China by the West was suppressed and spared China from plunging into chaos and civil wars. China slowly adopted market economy and kept what worked under communist rule.

Soviet Union failed to act under similar circumstances and was swallowed by the West. It only brought chaos, deaths and misery that took decades to recover from. Russia's territorial integrity may never be recovered.

China was a backwater disaster for decades under communism.

They allowed a hint of capitalism to creep in and did very well.

If they opened up more they would dominate the world at this point. Good for us they won't.

Socalism and communism have a parasitic relationship with capitalism. They offer nothing but a drain on the hosts resources and they cannot survive on their own.

You can live a long life with a tape worm, but it's better not to.

 

[Jmac00]

Im sure taxi drivers all over The Shit Hole, are thoroughly delighted with a 20 mph limit. Especially when someone has to make it from JFK to LaGuardia in 30 minutes to make a flight.

almost all of those cameras are rented. everyone just has to behave themselves for 2 months and the cost of the cameras will outweigh there worth.

or, no one pays the fine, and I mean no one. what are they going to do, revoke everyones license

 

[FRANKIE]

“NYC bill lowering speed limits again - would be 5-20 MPH on most streets”​

Won’t make one hell of a difference.
Everyone and Everything in that city is already crawling

 

[Toecutter]

Waze has most the speed cameras on it. Residents don't seem to care they speed all over.

 

[Honda CTR]

Everyone had jobs and roof over their heads. No billioners, no homeless and no rampant mental illness. No corrupt government setting up revenue traps.

I've been here a while, but this garbage post made me register for an account.

I don't know if you are trolling or if you truly believe this nonsense, but I am leaning towards the latter. So let's break this down. Yes, everyone had a job. Everyone also made roughly the same. Unless of course you were part of the elite (party members). A doctor, and engineer, and a janitor made around 70 to 100 rubles per month. The doctor on the higher end. The roof over your head generally implied the same roof that your parents had. A woman would get married and move into the apartment the husband lived in...with his parents and often his grandparents. Wanted a bigger place? You would have to persuade your local party commissar, and of course wait in line. Wanted a telephone line? You needed a good reason, and a decade-long wait.

Wanted to buy food? Clothes? Store shelves were empty. Lines formed the night before in the hopes that the morning shipment would bring something you needed. It was a little bit easier in the big cities. Out in the country, a delivery maybe happened once a week if you were lucky. You repaired your clothes, and wore them out until they were beyond repair.

No rampant mental illness? How about rampant alcoholism?

Think people were all the same? The Soviet socialist system still divided people by class. Except the class was the person who could afford butter vs the person who had to use margarine. The person who could drink tea with sugar.

Wanted to buy a car? Remember when I said your salary was in the 70-100 ruble range? The most basic soviet car, the ZAZ 968 was around 5k rubles. Credit didn't exist. Finally saved up enough to buy it? You went to the local commissar to ask for permission to buy it. After several years, it may have been granted, and you went on a waiting list. Average wait time was 10 years. Your ticket came up and you didn't have the cash? Back of the line for you. And once you did get a car, you needed a garage. Otherwise your car would be picked clean overnight. Why? No parts. So they were stolen from other cars. No repair shops either. At the height of the Soviet Union, there were 40 cars per 1000 people. The US at the same time had over 500 cars per 1000 people.

No corrupt government? Government officials didn't wait in line. They had special supermarkets. They had drivers, they had mechanics. Everything was based on who you know. Your local store got a shipment of meat? The best cuts went to the cashier and her family and friends under the table? You got a kilo of bones that you boiled the meat off of. Everything was about who you know.

Let's touch on healthcare. When my mother was giving birth to me and her water broke, the hospital staff gave her a mop and bucket to clean it up.

In case it isn't clear, I was born in the Soviet Union. So please, spare me the virtues of socialism. You know nothing of it. There are millions of people alive today, in the US, that you can talk to. And you will be hard pressed to find a more patriotic group of Americans than us.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I've been here a while, but this garbage post made me register for an account.

I don't know if you are trolling or if you truly believe this nonsense, but I am leaning towards the latter. So let's break this down. Yes, everyone had a job. Everyone also made roughly the same. Unless of course you were part of the elite (party members). A doctor, and engineer, and a janitor made around 70 to 100 rubles per month. The doctor on the higher end. The roof over your head generally implied the same roof that your parents had. A woman would get married and move into the apartment the husband lived in...with his parents and often his grandparents. Wanted a bigger place? You would have to persuade your local party commissar, and of course wait in line. Wanted a telephone line? You needed a good reason, and a decade-long wait.

Wanted to buy food? Clothes? Store shelves were empty. Lines formed the night before in the hopes that the morning shipment would bring something you needed. It was a little bit easier in the big cities. Out in the country, a delivery maybe happened once a week if you were lucky. You repaired your clothes, and wore them out until they were beyond repair.

No rampant mental illness? How about rampant alcoholism?

Think people were all the same? The Soviet socialist system still divided people by class. Except the class was the person who could afford butter vs the person who had to use margarine. The person who could drink tea with sugar.

Wanted to buy a car? Remember when I said your salary was in the 70-100 ruble range? The most basic soviet car, the ZAZ 968 was around 5k rubles. Credit didn't exist. Finally saved up enough to buy it? You went to the local commissar to ask for permission to buy it. After several years, it may have been granted, and you went on a waiting list. Average wait time was 10 years. Your ticket came up and you didn't have the cash? Back of the line for you. And once you did get a car, you needed a garage. Otherwise your car would be picked clean overnight. Why? No parts. So they were stolen from other cars. No repair shops either. At the height of the Soviet Union, there were 40 cars per 1000 people. The US at the same time had over 500 cars per 1000 people.

No corrupt government? Government officials didn't wait in line. They had special supermarkets. They had drivers, they had mechanics. Everything was based on who you know. Your local store got a shipment of meat? The best cuts went to the cashier and her family and friends under the table? You got a kilo of bones that you boiled the meat off of. Everything was about who you know.

Let's touch on healthcare. When my mother was giving birth to me and her water broke, the hospital staff gave her a mop and bucket to clean it up.

In case it isn't clear, I was born in the Soviet Union. So please, spare me the virtues of socialism. You know nothing of it. There are millions of people alive today, in the US, that you can talk to. And you will be hard pressed to find a more patriotic group of Americans than us.

Welcome to the forum. A hell of a first post! And the answer is yes. He whole heartedly believes the nonsense he spews. Just a bit of advice though. Don't waste your breath. Even after that elegantly written post and giving 1st hand knowledge on the subject he will come back with a nonsensical rebuttal. Again welcome.

 

[Honda CTR]

Welcome to the forum. A hell of a first post! And the answer is yes. He whole heartedly believes the nonsense he spews. Just a bit of advice though. Don't waste your breath. Even after that elegantly written post and giving 1st hand knowledge on the subject he will come back with a nonsensical rebuttal. Again welcome.

Thank you, I really appreciate it. I figured it would fall on deaf ears with that guy, but his post was so asinine that I just had to respond. I find people like him are usually beyond saving, but at least this way others can get a glimpse of life in the Soviet Union. I was somewhat lucky actually. I never went hungry. My parents had some land where they grew vegetables and fruits, and my dad would help offload trucks at grocery stores. Not because it paid anything, but because they could skim a little off the shipment and divide amongst the crew. I ate a lot of potatoes and cream of wheat. Still can't look at cream of wheat to this day.

 

[spat]

Spray paint on a pole tree trimmer?

paintball gun is easier.

 

[turbobike]

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[Mosinitis]

I've been here a while, but this garbage post made me register for an account.

I don't know if you are trolling or if you truly believe this nonsense, but I am leaning towards the latter. So let's break this down. Yes, everyone had a job. Everyone also made roughly the same. Unless of course you were part of the elite (party members). A doctor, and engineer, and a janitor made around 70 to 100 rubles per month. The doctor on the higher end. The roof over your head generally implied the same roof that your parents had. A woman would get married and move into the apartment the husband lived in...with his parents and often his grandparents. Wanted a bigger place? You would have to persuade your local party commissar, and of course wait in line. Wanted a telephone line? You needed a good reason, and a decade-long wait.

Wanted to buy food? Clothes? Store shelves were empty. Lines formed the night before in the hopes that the morning shipment would bring something you needed. It was a little bit easier in the big cities. Out in the country, a delivery maybe happened once a week if you were lucky. You repaired your clothes, and wore them out until they were beyond repair.

No rampant mental illness? How about rampant alcoholism?

Think people were all the same? The Soviet socialist system still divided people by class. Except the class was the person who could afford butter vs the person who had to use margarine. The person who could drink tea with sugar.

Wanted to buy a car? Remember when I said your salary was in the 70-100 ruble range? The most basic soviet car, the ZAZ 968 was around 5k rubles. Credit didn't exist. Finally saved up enough to buy it? You went to the local commissar to ask for permission to buy it. After several years, it may have been granted, and you went on a waiting list. Average wait time was 10 years. Your ticket came up and you didn't have the cash? Back of the line for you. And once you did get a car, you needed a garage. Otherwise your car would be picked clean overnight. Why? No parts. So they were stolen from other cars. No repair shops either. At the height of the Soviet Union, there were 40 cars per 1000 people. The US at the same time had over 500 cars per 1000 people.

No corrupt government? Government officials didn't wait in line. They had special supermarkets. They had drivers, they had mechanics. Everything was based on who you know. Your local store got a shipment of meat? The best cuts went to the cashier and her family and friends under the table? You got a kilo of bones that you boiled the meat off of. Everything was about who you know.

Let's touch on healthcare. When my mother was giving birth to me and her water broke, the hospital staff gave her a mop and bucket to clean it up.

In case it isn't clear, I was born in the Soviet Union. So please, spare me the virtues of socialism. You know nothing of it. There are millions of people alive today, in the US, that you can talk to. And you will be hard pressed to find a more patriotic group of Americans than us.

There is an old Russian saying, "not by bread alone". Your whole argument is based on materialistic view of life. Having more is obviously better than having less, but is it all there is to life.

Being homeless and living on the street is not better than living with family members. Several generation households, where people take care of each other is still very common throughout Europe, it's not just a Soviet thing. Grandparents help with raising kids and get taken care of when they get old and frail as opposed to ending their life in a nursing home, neglected and abused.

Yes, there was a privileged class in the Soviet Union, I doubt it is possible not to have one in any system, however financial split between classes was nothing compared to the split in this country. In the Soviet Union, members of the ruling class actually received a stiffer punishment for misconduct and corruption, in the U.S. elites rarely get prosecuted and almost never convicted.

Chronic shortages of consumer goods and inefficiency of centralized economy is what eventually led to the downfall of the system, but it is foolish to believe there was nothing great about it. It transformed a backwards agrarian country into a super power. Defeated brown plague that swept up Europe. Created first rate public education system. Led the world in space exploration, sports. Led the world in a fight against Colonialism. Championed women's rights and racial equality when it mattered, instead of trying to catch decades later by discrimination against white males.

The biggest mistake that was made by Gorbachev and other reformers was trusting the West and foolishly believing in its good intentions and genuine desire to improve the lives of Russian people. They simply didn't understand the concept of geopolitics. Yeltsin on the other hand was a sell out.

 

[C3D]

Thank you, I really appreciate it. I figured it would fall on deaf ears with that guy, but his post was so asinine that I just had to respond. I find people like him are usually beyond saving, but at least this way others can get a glimpse of life in the Soviet Union. I was somewhat lucky actually. I never went hungry. My parents had some land where they grew vegetables and fruits, and my dad would help offload trucks at grocery stores. Not because it paid anything, but because they could skim a little off the shipment and divide amongst the crew. I ate a lot of potatoes and cream of wheat. Still can't look at cream of wheat to this day.

Just hit the ignore button on losers like that and you won't have to see their crap again.

 

[Mosinitis]

Thank you, I really appreciate it. I figured it would fall on deaf ears with that guy, but his post was so asinine that I just had to respond. I find people like him are usually beyond saving, but at least this way others can get a glimpse of life in the Soviet Union. I was somewhat lucky actually. I never went hungry. My parents had some land where they grew vegetables and fruits, and my dad would help offload trucks at grocery stores. Not because it paid anything, but because they could skim a little off the shipment and divide amongst the crew. I ate a lot of potatoes and cream of wheat. Still can't look at cream of wheat to this day.

You are being a good immigrant and telling American people what they want to hear. One learns very fast to do that, stories that don't fit American narrative are not well received. I guess your childhood in the Soviet Union was awful, no summer camps, crappy education, no afterschool activities in arts, music, science or sports you wished to pursue. Growing up in a society where streets and parks are owned by gangs and drug dealers is so much better.

 

[BerettaGuy]

As long as they are doing it for "safety" and not just to get more of your disposable income.

 

[spat]

There is an old Russian saying, "not by bread alone". Your whole argument is based on materialistic view of life. Having more is obviously better than having less, but is all there is to life.

Being homeless and living on the street is not better than living with family members. Several generation households, where people take care of each other is still very common throughout Europe, it's not just a Soviet thing. Grandparents help with raising kids and get taken care of when they get old and frail as opposed to ending their life in a nursing home, neglected and abused.

Yes, there was a privileged class in the Soviet Union, I doubt it is possible not to have one in any system, however financial split between classes was nothing compared to the split in this country. In the Soviet Union, members of the ruling class actually received a stiffer punishment for misconduct and corruption, in the U.S. elites rarely get prosecuted and almost never convicted.

Chronic shortages of consumer goods and inefficiency of centralized economy is what eventually led to the downfall of the system, but it is foolish to believe there was nothing great about it. It transformed a backwards agrarian country into a super power. Defeated brown plague that swept up Europe. Created first rate public education system. Led the world in space exploration, sports. Led the world in a fight against Colonialism. Championed women's rights and racial equality when it mattered, instead of trying to catch decades later by discrimination against white males.

The biggest mistake that was made by Gorbachev and other reformers was trusting the West and foolishly believing in its good intentions and genuine desire to improve the lives of Russian people. They simply didn't understand the concept of geopolitics. Yeltsin on the other hand was a sell out.

Nothing stopping homeless people in the US from moving in with relatives.

The people who are chronically homeless in the US today would not survive long in Stalinist Russia. They would be dead, not shitting freely on the streets of San Francisco.

 

[spat]

You are being a good immigrant and telling American people what they want to hear. One learns very fast to do that, stories that don't fit American narrative are not well received. I guess your childhood in the Soviet Union was awful, no summer camps, crappy education, no afterschool activities in arts, music, science or sports you wished to pursue. Growing up in a society where streets and parks are owned by gangs and drug dealers is so much better.

He felt so strongly about what you were saying that he created an account here just so he could post to refute it.

If he was just looking for approval he could have just said with "FUKH".

 

[Blimey]

Communist(?) China could be the right balance between the two systems, certainly its success can't be denied. This is what scares ideologs in this country. Washington think tanks and "Democracy/Freedom BS" institutions shit themselves watching China's success.

Tiananmen Square revolution pushed on China by the West was suppressed and spared China from plunging into chaos and civil wars. China slowly adopted market economy and kept what worked under communist rule.

Soviet Union failed to act under similar circumstances and was swallowed by the West. It only brought chaos, deaths and misery that took decades to recover from. Russia's territorial integrity may never be recovered.

Soviet union grocery store:


American grocery store:

When Boris Yeltsin went grocery shopping in Clear Lake

In 1989 Russian president Boris Yeltsin's wide-eyed trip to a Clear Lake grocery store...

www.chron.com

Enjoy, comrade.

 

[Blimey]

You are being a good immigrant and telling American people what they want to hear. One learns very fast to do that, stories that don't fit American narrative are not well received. I guess your childhood in the Soviet Union was awful, no summer camps, crappy education, no afterschool activities in arts, music, science or sports you wished to pursue. Growing up in a society where streets and parks are owned by gangs and drug dealers is so much better.

Well, heck, if you don't like it you can leave--leaving the soviet union was illegal.

#1 mark of a shithole country: they won't let you leave. Just like north korea.

Now is the part where you argue that leaving was possible, but won't mention that it required sucking off some bureaucrats first.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[Mosinitis]

He felt so strongly about what you were saying that he created an account here just so he could post to refute it.

If he was just looking for approval he could have just said with "FUKH".

He didn't refute what I said, he cherry picked the negatives. He also didn't mention those who left this heaven and went back to Soviet hell.

 

[Mosinitis]

Well, heck, if you don't like it you can leave--leaving the soviet union was illegal.

#1 mark of a shithole country: they won't let you leave. Just like north korea.

Now is the part where you argue that leaving was possible, but won't mention that it required sucking off some bureaucrats first.

They weren't too enthusiastic to provide the West with people who could be used against them and in fact were used against them in various ways. There was a limited immigration, especially from 1970's and on. Your last statement is false, weather it was meant literally or figuratively.

 

[FP1201]

In most vehicles the only way to do 5mph is pull it down into 1st. gear and ride the Brakes....FNYC

 

[Blimey]

They weren't too enthusiastic to provide the West with people who could be used against them and in fact were used against them in various ways. There was a limited immigration, especially from 1970's and on. Your last statement is false, weather it was meant literally or figuratively.

That must be why north korea doesn't let its citizens leave then. Definitely not because it's a shithole country.

 

[meketrefe]

just vehicles or fast runners too?

 

[Mosinitis]

That must be why north korea doesn't let its citizens leave then. Definitely not because it's a shithole country.

North Korea is North Korea. Soviet Union was Soviet Union. Each country follows its own path. Who appointed U.S. as policeman of the world? To us some of them are shitholes, to some of them we are pervert's paradise.

 

[spat]

They weren't too enthusiastic to provide the West with people who could be used against them and in fact were used against them in various ways. There was a limited immigration, especially from 1970's and on. Your last statement is false, weather it was meant literally or figuratively.

So, why wasn't the west worried about our best and brightest going the other way ?

We were always technologically superior, certainly an American scientist defecting to Russia would have been a far more valuable catch than the other way ?

But anyone who wanted could have walked up to the gate in berlin and said "take me to your leader" anytime they wanted.

People only got shot trying to cross that wall in one direction. The other way was open.

Just like Cuba.

Any American who wanted could get in their privately owned boat or plane and head down. No need to try crossing the open ocean in an old Studebaker, and risk getting shot for trying.