spat
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Are you actually suggesting we would invade Canada or Mexico if they started getting suckered in on China's "belt and road" scam ?
Things are heating up in the Donbass
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In this thread, I just post for informational reasons - either for contrasting opinions or propaganda - I will take no position...
Not to put too fine a point on it, and not directed @spat ...
Posting facts, general information and sharing opinions has seemed to take on a level of General support for Russia.
So many are having a terribly difficult time maintaining their emotional control.
Steal2B
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I get it
Both governments are filthy swamps (as is ours) and Putin is a small dicked psycho thug
Ukraine: A new battle in the old war of the “New Normal”
"It’s a game the propagandists honed to perfection as they touted one fiction after another about the “killer virus” while ignoring the greatest civil rights crisis in modern history. Now the gloss on the COVID story is starting to fade. What better way to carry on the work of distraction than with war hysteria?"
"Recognizing the falsity of the American government’s account of the war in Ukraine isn’t the same thing as endorsing every action of Vladimir Putin. Nor is it irrational to notice that different cover stories can serve for the same sorts of political abuses."
"It’s a game the propagandists honed to perfection as they touted one fiction after another about the “killer virus” while ignoring the greatest civil rights crisis in modern history. Now the gloss on the COVID story is starting to fade. What better way to carry on the work of distraction than with war hysteria?"
"Recognizing the falsity of the American government’s account of the war in Ukraine isn’t the same thing as endorsing every action of Vladimir Putin. Nor is it irrational to notice that different cover stories can serve for the same sorts of political abuses."
Perhaps a little over the top but, nonetheless, presents some interesting points.
Nuclear War Is On The Horizon - PaulCraigRoberts.org
"Some readers have asked why Russia regards Finland’s membership in NATO as a provocation. For the same reason that Ukraine’s membership is a provocation: US missile bases on Russia’s border. The US does not currently have hypersonic missiles, but will sooner or later. Such missiles on Russia’s borders could reach Moscow in 3 or 4 minutes, clearly an existential threat. Along with Finland, Washington wants the bases in Sweden and the Baltic states, and already has missile bases in Poland and Romania."
Nuclear War Is On The Horizon - PaulCraigRoberts.org
"Some readers have asked why Russia regards Finland’s membership in NATO as a provocation. For the same reason that Ukraine’s membership is a provocation: US missile bases on Russia’s border. The US does not currently have hypersonic missiles, but will sooner or later. Such missiles on Russia’s borders could reach Moscow in 3 or 4 minutes, clearly an existential threat. Along with Finland, Washington wants the bases in Sweden and the Baltic states, and already has missile bases in Poland and Romania."
Some have been to a war zone but not left the wire. Have not seen the actions of men at war. Just to build on what you have stated.
Been telling my wife this for years.
holdover
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NATO is to Russia, as
hammer is to eggs. A hammer, the natural enemy of an egg.
NATO's purpose was ""defense of Europe against communist Russia"" But Communist Russia fell in 91. The soviet block broke up , what is the purpose of NATO now? NATO has since Gobbled up a lot of the soviet block nations, Whats the plan? Whats the point of NATO?
The West won the cold war.
And if NATO allowed Ukraine in. it would be great if that was the end of it and We can live happily ever after. Well who the hell wouldn't support that? Thats a great Idea, except it doesn't stop there and We don't live happily ever after unfortunately.
The lust for power of these monsters is unsatiable. They Cant just stop. They are incapable of it, same as a junkie. The war is about defeating Russia, Ukraine is just the tool to do it through.
True or not, that's the way the Russians see it , and they are going to respond accordingly which we saw, when they invaded. The war wasn't to conquer Ukraine as much as it was to prevent NATO from entering.
And who's arming and training the Ukrainians to fight Russia? let me see, not Guatemala, not Iceland, ummmmmmmm, Oh yes! NATO! why is NATO arming the Ukraine to fight Russia? Im going to hazard a guess is because Russia is a major pain in the ass in regards to the new order.
Russia must die so that the new order can live.
Andddddd........................once again..................Nazis!!!!
Outrage as Azov Nazi Addresses Greek Parliament
Outrage as Azov Nazi Addresses Greek Parliament
Blimey
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So why did you ask?
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Because you'd have to be retarded to support russia. They just, for example, bombed a train station killing dozens. I've seen those pics (the so-called evidence you presume to ask for but don't actually want). They are all over reddit if you want to see some more murdered civilians.
And yes, anybody who supports russia here is retarded and or simply morally bankrupt.
Again: most on this forum are not that way. The ukraine/russia poll showed it, but we have a small handful of people who actually hate american values, and anything they stand for (e.g. freedom of speech/press), and will instead side with hitler 2.0. Disgusting behavior. Thank God bipartisan support among mature americans is as strong on this as any issue in recent memory.
This thread has gone retarded like all the political threads here do once those few prominent goofs we have here just start shitting their telegram indoctrination all over the place.
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ArmedCorgi
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Because Russia is the only former/current enemy of NATO that has NATO on it's border.
holdover
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If they put troops on the border??? LOL, so fast it would make your head spin. in fact its our stated policy ,No communism in the Western hemisphere. been like that since Johnson.
The Johnson Doctrine reinforced the United States government's existing doctrines against socialist expansion. In his May 2 address, Johnson specifically states that the American countries, will not permit the establishment of another "Communist government" in the Western Hemisphere.[2] The Johnson Doctrine builds off of the Kennedy and Eisenhower doctrines in that it opposes communism in the Western Hemisphere. It also parallels the Monroe Doctrine, with an emphasis on denouncing non-US (in this case socialist) interference in the Americas.
Yeah , We would go to war in a new york minute
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holdover
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This has to be one of your best posts, insulting everyone that disagrees with you while adding nothing of substance. You are no longer having a discussion . I dont mind being insulted sometimes , were all big kids, but this is some real trolling bullshit. Everything you post from the main stream is factual, everyone else's is garbage. Grow up man, there are two sides to every story. Maybe you should just continue to block everyone that doesnt agree with you, that way you will only get the facts.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
You know... you don't have to take a side. You can say you don't give a shit about either. I don't know where this idea that you have to support one or the other came from.
Dr. Evil
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Welcome. Nice to have you.
holdover
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I was wondering why he was quiet lately.
spat
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NATO hasn't gobbled up anything.
A lot of former communist block nations have petitioned NATO for membership, and been accepted.
Since NATO membership is completely voluntary, and the only penalty for violating NATO's requirements is that you get kicked out of NATO, I fail to see them as some carnivorous beast.
In contrast to Russia, who forces people to join them against their will by force of arms.
This is like the difference between joining the US military to get your college paid for, and being conscripted into the Russian Army or sent to prison.
Acer-m14
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"According to Russia's Ministry of Defence, Ukrainian scientists identified six families of viruses, including coronaviruses, and three types of pathogenic bacteria as part of the project. In addition, the Kharkiv Institute of Veterinary Medicine studied wild birds as carriers of highly pathogenic avian influenza."
makes u go hummmm .. the bird flu is back ..
www.republicworld.com
www.reuters.com
makes u go hummmm .. the bird flu is back ..
Russia reveals 'evidence' on US-funded Biolabs in Ukraine, claims 6 viruses identified
Russia reveals 'evidence' on US-funded Biolabs in Ukraine, claims 6 viruses identified
U.S. detects highly lethal bird flu in Tyson Foods chickens
A flock of about 240,000 chickens owned by Tyson Foods Inc in Kentucky tested positive for a highly lethal form of bird flu, government officials and the company said on Monday, widening an outbreak that threatens the U.S. poultry industry.
www.reuters.com
spat
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The Soviet Union was an enemy of NATO. Russia probably could have joined if they worked on it.
After all, Ukraine was a major component of the Soviet Union, and they might very well have joined.
Several other former members of the Soviet Union joined.
If Russia had kept up peaceful economic pursuits and just gouged Europe for gas money for the last 3 decades they probably would have been welcomed.
But, that ship sailed the first time Russia decided to get adventurous.
Pity, they were well on their way to prosperity, but now they're headed down the same path that caused the collapse of the Soviet Union
spat
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I don't actually give a shit about Russia or Ukraine.
But I have to live on the same planet with them, and I'd prefer they didn't start WWIII.
I've also read enough history to recogize that we've been down this path before, and feeding small countries to the invader is not the path to a peaceful existence.
spat
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We would not invade Mexico or Canada just because the Russians or Chinese had troops there.
If we did, I would expect the rest of the world to react very harshly, and our economy would quickly collapse to the point we wouldn't be able to wage war on anyone. (within a few decades).
ArmedCorgi
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I thought Russia did want to join NATO, but were laughed out of the room.
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spat
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I believe that was the Soviets, not Russia.
What treaty to not move eastward ? Was that part of the treaty the Russians signed to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine ?
I bet Zelensky really wishes Ukraine hadn't signed that one. If Ukraine still had 1000 or so nukes, the Russians would certainly have stayed on their side of the fence.
ArmedCorgi
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I have that one wrong. I was thinking of the Founding Act. But there is no mention of "no expansion". Sorry.
I do not believe it is acceptable these days to use the word retard. Many people have children of special needs and do not like that word, but, I digress.
As for the Train station, I do not have all of the facts of that particular bombing. Some of the "fact" seem to be a bit weird. I will look into this a bit deeper.
I am not on team Ukraine. That does not mean I am on team Russia either.
You speak of American Values, I love most of our values and all of the Rights and freedoms that we have here. Unlike many people here and throughout the Country, I have traveled the World quite a bit. I have been deep into other Nations, not just tourist areas; I have seen people living with no freedoms and no Rights. Do you think that the Ukrainian people have these values and these freedoms that we have?
Once again, those that do not share your thoughts and your opinions, you toss them aside like trash. Ever been to the Ukraine? Ever watch real documentary's about the Nation and its people? Or, are you only forming an opinion on what is being tossed at you during this current situation?
There are some here that are very Pro Russia, I respect their opinions even if I do not share all of them. I have supported this once great nation of ours in all they/we have done; even when I disagreed with the policies. I will always support the US. I have strong ties to other Countries and I have bias in regards to them.
You speak of indoctrination, I do not see that at all. I see grown ass men sharing their opinions, their insight and their points of views. Shame you are not open enough to see where others are coming from.