I don't believe it ! A cop planting evidence, his partner complicit, and his superiors denying that they did anything wrong !? Say it isn't so !
Off-duty police officers banned from carrying firearms at New York State Fair
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why don't you just give up and admit that the politicians carve out special favors for cops so that the cops will happily continue to do their bidding ? To hell with ethics, morals and the constitution !
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
That’s not what happened. Go look at the video again .The partner wasn’t complicit even if you believe it was planted.
And internal affairs love to arrest cops . They don’t report to the same supervisors as those cops do. They get points, overtime and “ promotions “ ( detective shields ) based on arrests of cops . Everything you are hearing is based on the legal aid society’s version and edit. Important part is where the guy said “ we smoked it”. Marijuana arrests were routinely dropped ( sealed ) back then .
Nyc district attorneys love to prosecute cops to appeal to the anti cop crowd and have their own investigators. If there was something, they would prosecute . Go look it up. At a minimum, they would plea bargain that the cop wouldn’t get prosecuted if he quits his job, That didn’t happen here.
Here is an example of how internal affairs and discipline system works in NYC: from the Eric garner case.
Did any of you hear this:
Yet you guys say cops don’t speak out.
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I can’t think of any reason to work for that department now unless you are related to a chief etc. -lol
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Nope. It’s like the military. They could have screwed us like they have time and time again . And guys will still do their job.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Assaults during an arrest don't count for this discussion since the officer initiated the encounter and the criminal obviously didn't seek them out and ambush them.
And you said assaults that occurred off duty aren't counted in that stat either.
So I'm not sure what value it has to this discussion?
So....if it is so dangerous for cops to be identified in their private lives, why do they take their police issued squad cars home and prominently display it in their driveway?
Or maybe it's just one person who thinks there are perps behind every blade of grass just waiting for the moment to off them? That kind of paranoia can lead to a NORMAL civilian losing their pistol permit very quickly.
so where are the studies that show an off-duty cop is at greater risk? Not anecdotal videos.. peer reviewed studies...
Or maybe it's just one person who thinks there are perps behind every blade of grass just waiting for the moment to off them? That kind of paranoia can lead to a NORMAL civilian losing their pistol permit very quickly.
so where are the studies that show an off-duty cop is at greater risk? Not anecdotal videos.. peer reviewed studies...
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
A deputy lives a few miles down the road from me.
I know this because of the marked patrol vehicle that's in his driveway most of the time.
So it seems he/she isn't very concerned about retaliation.
Just sayin'
I know this because of the marked patrol vehicle that's in his driveway most of the time.
So it seems he/she isn't very concerned about retaliation.
Just sayin'
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Some are if ruled in the performance of duty at some point. For example, an off duty officer is targeted and the guy says get that cop as in the one example I already gave. That would be on the FBI stat for officers assaulted. If not proven to be “ duty related “. It would go into the general crime number—and assaults on on duty officers also are added the general crime stats as well. But the assault has to be proven to be connected to his profession,
And assaults or other crimes against retired officers only get added in the general crime statistics.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Where does he work? And where does he live? It makes a difference. Do you think he could do that safely in Portland, OR?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You get a free membership to BJ’s? Damn it. I didn’t get that -lol
I got discounts to a few places but did so did all government workers , not just cops . And some unions have a discount set up with the companies but so do a lot non police unions.
ronstar
.357 mag
It is INSANE that retired cops get special treatment. They are not special, they are not cops. They should follow the same rules as all other regular citizens.
What did that guy tell you the gate entrance screening was like?
Metal detectors? Scanners? Pat downs?
Did that study include or exclude "on duty assaults"? I bet the vast majority came when attempting to make arrests. I bet a significantly smaller percentage were targeted off duty non working attacks when they were out in public looking like regular every day civilians
I agree with you. I'm sure police officers are at risk of being attacked when off duty. But so are regular citizens.
Maybe police have a 1 in 5,000 chance at being targeted in an attack specifically because the attacker thinks "now's their chance to get even with a cop" where us common peasants maybe have a 1 in 10,000 chance of being attacked.
We are all at risk to one degree or another.
I can make the exact same opposite argument that police are LESS LIKELY to be attacked than random people. Police are more likely to be more alert, have better situational awareness and be in better physical condition than random civilians. Who is a criminal going to think is an easier victim a police officer or a weak old lady, an out of shape fat guy, a feminine guy, an attractive 20 year 100lb girl.
Criminals will attack the easy mark not someone giving off subconscious ques they are a hard target.
Who's more likely to be profiled as an easy victim?
Everyone is entitled to the same rights.
Its crazy that active duty cops get special treatment.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
As in which special treatment? Do you think military veterans should get any special treatment too? I have seen more “ combat “ ( shots fired, death , and been in more dangerous situations ) than most military veterans .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Ahm, you assume that the retired police officer isn’t that old lady or old man or that 100 pound female. It’s not what it used to be.
As far as being alert, I used to be. Medical issues and just being out of the game have diminished those skills. Doesn’t make me less of a target if I wear something that identifies me as law enforcement.
Same rights huh, Okay so you should be allowed to carry in a secure area like a police officer or corrections officer can? Or a courtroom. I could carry into a state courtroom until I retired but could not carry in a federal court. Do you think I should have been able to carry into a federal courthouse too? Feds and federally deputized cops could . Or do you agree to those limits?
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Just that one ? You mean the magazine exception for my service gun— and only that one. The one that sits in the safe and only comes out for LEOSA requals. That one. I thought you would list all the others.
I as a private citizen (vetted by the state with a legal pistol license) should have every single comparable right an off duty or retired police officer has.
its a different conversation when discussing an on duty officer. What i want and what I'll get are 2 separate things. I'm more willing to begrudgingly accept an on duty officer will in the course of their duties be given access and rights I as a citizen do not have.
that stops when that cop clocks out at the end of their day and is on their own time. They should have exactly the same rights as regular non Leo citizens have.
This is getting off topic but I absolutely think I should be legally allowed to carry my gun in schools, courts, government buildings and airports. I'm not a criminal and the state has investigated me, deemed me not a public threat and being of sound mind that I should be able to exercise my rights. I also think retired and off duty cops should be able to as well.
Sounds like somebody is jealous.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The clock doesn’t stop for an off duty officer . He still has to act if certain crimes are done in his presence including on school grounds or even outside his geographical area of employment if he or she is in New York State.
As far as retired cops, if you had a full carry permit you had almost the same rights before this new law as retired cops. The only difference was a retired cop could carry in NYC( you could too if you get the nyc attachment-special permit ) and we got to keep the magazines for our service gun provided we requal on the gun.
The ability to carry in NYC came about when they figured out that retired NYC officers ( there were more than NYPD who lived outside of the city couldn’t carry in the very city where they used to work and where the greatest threat to them would be). NYPD answer to them at the time was so don’t come back so no special permit addition. A lot interdepartmental and personal rivalry at the time. So they got the law changed .
Nighttrain
.357 mag
Hahhaha nice try but you know there are other exemptions.
But like everyone else sees and has mentioned in this.. You are a disingenuous person, especially on this threads topic, so why would I expect any other response
