Primary Arms,,, what a joke
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I heard this from someone else on here and I have passed on ordering a thing or two from them. Sad.
Justincase
.308 Win
I’ll never order from Palmetto state either for the same reason
C3D
.338 Win Mag
Why do we blame merchants who are trying to protect their business from ruinous litigation over the shitty laws we have here in New York? Your problem is in Albany, not with primary arms.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
What prosecution could they face for this? The OP is correct and selling those items here is not illegal. They could have you check a box saying you acknowledge this. By your standard every gun related item except revolvers, single shot, or bolt action guns should not be sold to us in nys. I just bought two sig 365’s and I can drive to pa tomorrow to buy illegal mags so what’s the difference?
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
That's their lawyers advising them on the best way to protect their business. They're based in Texas, why should they care about NY? Our issue is with Albany, not the merchants that (like us) cannot understand the idiotic laws here in NY.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
When there's a few scumbag asswipes in government positions of power and hold the purse strings of unlimited $$$ its becomes impossible for a business to continue fighting unethical lawsuits in the courts especially in today's twilight zone of a country 
thughes
.44 mag
Ummmm......
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Ummmm......
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all the hardware stores are still selling ghost gun parts and pipe and welders
maverick52
.223 Rem
I am so pissed off over this. PA was my go to shop. Another notch in Hochuls belt.
I buy from them too but they dont always have what I want and they are more expensive.
I don't blame primary arms. I blame hochul and Albany.
Companies are in the business to make money and stay in business. They want to make as much revenue as possible, continue to stay in business and They want to avoid risk. Our NY laws are worded like they came from a 3rd grader so I don't fault companies from being nervous about being in compliance. Let's face it out AG is a litigious vengeful power hungry nut and she wouldn't hesitate to try and sue/prosecute an out of state company in free America for daring to defy whorcul. 100% it's the lawyers advising companies "you need to protect yourself there is too much risk and uncertainty to do business in that state".
Reverse the situation, you own a business, a whacko state like California has customers that want your products. California has some batshit crazy bad laws and nothing makes sense. You want to sell your products in California but your company lawyers are saying that in doing so you're opening up the company to exposure and risk which could get the company tied up in major litigation. You regrettably dont sell your products to California, it's Sacramentos fault.
Companies are in the business to make money and stay in business. They want to make as much revenue as possible, continue to stay in business and They want to avoid risk. Our NY laws are worded like they came from a 3rd grader so I don't fault companies from being nervous about being in compliance. Let's face it out AG is a litigious vengeful power hungry nut and she wouldn't hesitate to try and sue/prosecute an out of state company in free America for daring to defy whorcul. 100% it's the lawyers advising companies "you need to protect yourself there is too much risk and uncertainty to do business in that state".
Reverse the situation, you own a business, a whacko state like California has customers that want your products. California has some batshit crazy bad laws and nothing makes sense. You want to sell your products in California but your company lawyers are saying that in doing so you're opening up the company to exposure and risk which could get the company tied up in major litigation. You regrettably dont sell your products to California, it's Sacramentos fault.
It's all about thei risk of losing. Lawyers and insurance companies know this. Both are very expensive so it's very easy for businesses to abide by the 'cease and decist' order that was imposed. Business will surely pick up in the next couple of weeks, probably breaking sales records (once again).
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
So what's the end game then for PA? They say eff the in process lawsuit (yes, thats for 80%, but never underestimate the power of NYAG to continue to bring suits) and continue to sell to NY. They spend $millions to define defend themselves and win. Yay! Damn the man! But now they're out of business. Who's the real winner? The risk vs. reward is not on their side....
I don't blame ANYONE that doesn't want to do business here. The fault lies squarely with Albany and the people of NY that continue to send clueless liberal fucktards back there year after year.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Did you read that article? It was for 80% lowers and the parts together to build them out.Ummmm......
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You’re aware many retailers in NYS sell grips for AR-15’s inside of NYS right? I can go to cabelas tomorrow Igbo and pick one up.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
Just bought two stocks from Brownells and they shipped them right out.
Vapor
.308 Win
I mean...I have a bolt action in a chassis that takes pg and adjustable lop stocks...
Yeah pa refused to ship me an upper last month.
Classic firearms is also gtg.
Yeah pa refused to ship me an upper last month.
Classic firearms is also gtg.
Weird, they not to long ago shipped me a 7.62x39 upper.
Even in NYC uppers aren't illegal since you can use them on the SCR platform.
And the OP and many others are correct that you can use PGs on many bolt guns that are patterned after the ARs like the RPR or MDT chassis.
Even in NYC uppers aren't illegal since you can use them on the SCR platform.
And the OP and many others are correct that you can use PGs on many bolt guns that are patterned after the ARs like the RPR or MDT chassis.
Sorry for this hassle!!!! This is an unintended offshoot of the what is referenced above, your esteem Attorney General of NY suing 10 gun companies, including PA. I will have a way for customers to confirm they understand the law so we can start shipping these items again by the end of day tomorrow.
Marshall Lerner
CEO Primary Arms, LLC
Contact me at: Marshall@primaryarms.com
Marshall Lerner
CEO Primary Arms, LLC
Contact me at: Marshall@primaryarms.com
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They are suing for Ghost Guns,,, which is their name for a 80% lowers, with no serial number. They arent going after anyone for barrels, upper receivers, grips, muzzle devices or anything else.
So what you said above, I truly dont understand. Did you all change your minds on these parts or come up with a way to protect yourself from the shit bags in Albany?
Also,,, according to my bank account,,, you still havent returned my money. Does this mean you are shipping the grip out or what?
If you really genuinely are the CEO and not an elaborate phishing scheme, I would like to thank you for taking the time to recognize our plight and try to creatively work a solution to support our needs while also keeping your company in business and out of court.
We're people here too just because we're born in the wrong state and our overlords think they know best for us. We have a very vocal minority of people in politics ruining it for the rest of the state.
Any chance you guys can get involved in any formal suits or challenges against our clearly unconstitutional laws?
We don't bill until we ship. You are seeing a pre auth that will drop off. Email me your info and I will confirm'
Marshall Lerner
CEO Primary Arms, LLC
Contact me at: Marshall@primaryarms.com
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RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
While I can understand, but disagree with their perception of a legal position, this only serves to set legal precedent. Once you acknowledge that any part of a firearm manufactured or parts sold by your company maybe considered illegal in whatever state; is it really a stretch then to say that said company selling a complete firearm knew that it could be used to break the law or used in a homicide, and then ask as to why they sold it in the first place with this knowledge? This is whats known as the proverbial slippery slope. This type of compliance only complicates future legal defenses which is certainly coming their way. The burden of legality and intent is on the consumer in these situations. The firearm and ammo manufactures are just boxing themselves in for a legal loss and huge back breaking law suits. Alex Jones.....1 trillion dollars.
But they'll get your business in the mean time. The gun community has no allegiance to each other. No single message to businesses that comply for profit. If that changes, so does their positions.
But they'll get your business in the mean time. The gun community has no allegiance to each other. No single message to businesses that comply for profit. If that changes, so does their positions.
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Nicely written !!
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Glad to hear, thank you for taking the time to post here. PA is usually my first stop for most firearm needs, I'd like to keep it that way.