Lets talk Red Dots on handguns

[Defilade]

 

[Uzi]

Personally I'd go smaller MOA. 2 or 3.25 or 3.5 moa dots are the sweet spot IMO.

With an estigmatism it will make the dot bloom more, so if you already have a 6 moa dot and it blooms out to 12 moa it kind of makes it worse for the shooter

With a smaller dot you can turn the brightness up and will almost give you a perceived larger moa than what it actually is.

Atleast this is my understanding and I do not have experience with an estigmatism .

Also from experience I got my first real red dot the Trijicon RMR RM07 that has a 6.5 moa dot, it was nice for the first few uses, it still is nice, but as I got better with it, the more I wish I had a smaller dot


It's almost the opposite to say getting a motorcycle for the first time.. I had zero experience with riding motorcycles, my first one I bought at 23(??) Was a yamaha ninja 250. It was great for learning on. 3 weeks later I hated it and wish I had a larger bike...

Bigger dots are nice to learn on but eventually wanting a smaller dot is the natural progression

lol, I think you meant Kawasaki* ninja 250.

 

[Edwardteach72]

lol, I think you meant Kawasaki* ninja 250.

What ever it is hahaha

 

[FLA45fan]

Any opinions on the Canik MeCanik red dots? Just ordered a Canik Rival and it has one the these red dots. There is a new Burris Fastfire out too, the IV, looks like the MeCanik red dot . . . .hmmmm

 

[GTN]

Any opinions on the Canik MeCanik red dots? Just ordered a Canik Rival and it has one the these red dots. There is a new Burris Fastfire out too, the IV, looks like the MeCanik red dot . . . .hmmmm

Do they have shake awake, solar backup power like Holosun?

 

[FLA45fan]

Do they have shake awake, solar backup power like Holosun?

It says motion sensor, 3 MOA, auto brightness, 60,000 hrs on lowest setting, 2032 battery, aluminum housing, glass lens, auto shut off and TCF (Tactical Concave Face) which allows for racking the slide on a belt. No solar and a bottom battery would be negatives but at $249 retail possibly another choice for those of use who are paycheck challenged . . .
2 models, Shield RMSc or Vortex Venom footprint model with manual brightness (8+2NV)

 

[GTN]

Holosun HE407C-GR-X2 Elite Pistol Green Dot Sight - 2 MOA

DetailsThe Holosun HE407C-GR X2 Elite Pistol Green Dot Sight is an open reflex optical sight packed with features ideal for pistol applications. It includes a solar failsafe system and shake awake technology to ensure your reflex sight is always operational when you need it. On top of the two...

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Holosun HS407C-X2 Pistol Red Dot Sight - 2 MOA

DetailsThe Holosun 407C-X2 is an open-reflex Red Dot sight made specifically for concealed carry applications. Features include the Holosun Super Led with up to 50k hours of battery life and Solar Failsafe allowing the sight to remain powered when the battery fails, as well as automatic...

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and for a little more Holosun HS507C-X2 Pistol Red Dot Sight - 2 MOA

 

[minderasr]

Do they have shake awake, solar backup power like Holosun?

Personally, I think the Holosun solar backup thing is a joke...a slick marketing gimmick. I could be wrong about them, but all those portable solar panels they market for preppers take FOREVER to generate a little charge IN PERFECT CONDITIONS. How much is that tiny little panel going to generate while actually in sunlight?

With that said, I have zero experience with them. Just surmising based on the countless prepper reviews of portable solar panels I've watched on YouTube.

 

[FLA45fan]

Personally, I think the Holosun solar backup thing is a joke...a slick marketing gimmick. I could be wrong about them, but all those portable solar panels they market for preppers take FOREVER to generate a little charge IN PERFECT CONDITIONS. How much is that tiny little panel going to generate while actually in sunlight?

With that said, I have zero experience with them. Just surmising based on the countless prepper reviews of portable solar panels I've watched on YouTube.

No, no, no . . . the solar panel is only powering the red dot during daylight in case the battery dies. LEDs need very little power. For example, most of these red dot sights use a 3 volt CR2032 battery and have battery life exceeding 10-20000 hrs. Some as high as 60,000 hours. Not much power used, right? So a solar panel will power the red dot. But, it's not charging the battery . . . So "prepper panels" are trying to power things that have huge power needs compared to a LED dot and possibly store energy in batteries. Also, think about solar powered watches. Citizen eco drive, Casio G Shocks, Seiko, Timex etc. Solar panels on the face of the watch need some exposure to light to actually power the watch for months! I dug out one of my Seiko solar dive watches that was packed in a moving box for almost 4 months . . . perfect time.

Ok, so like you, I also have little experience with them but I think Holosun has their shit together. Now if they can get solar power and storage (capacitor) together that might be a game changer.

 

[Saltwater60]

No, no, no . . . the solar panel is only powering the red dot during daylight in case the battery dies. LEDs need very little power. For example, most of these red dot sights use a 3 volt CR2032 battery and have battery life exceeding 10-20000 hrs. Some as high as 60,000 hours. Not much power used, right? So a solar panel will power the red dot. But, it's not charging the battery . . . So "prepper panels" are trying to power things that have huge power needs compared to a LED dot and possibly store energy in batteries. Also, think about solar powered watches. Citizen eco drive, Casio G Shocks, Seiko, Timex etc. Solar panels on the face of the watch need some exposure to light to actually power the watch for months! I dug out one of my Seiko solar dive watches that was packed in a moving box for almost 4 months . . . perfect time.

Ok, so like you, I also have little experience with them but I think Holosun has their shit together. Now if they can get solar power and storage (capacitor) together that might be a game changer.

Correct there is an all solar powered red dot and it powers on very quickly and last for a long time. I don’t think I’d get one all solar powered but hey.

 

[FLA45fan]

Correct there is an all solar powered red dot and it powers on very quickly and last for a long time. I don’t think I’d get one all solar powered but hey.

Yeah, I'm thinking you're shitouttaluck when the sun goes down . . .

 

[Defilade]

 

[Phazer]

No, no, no . . . the solar panel is only powering the red dot during daylight in case the battery dies. LEDs need very little power. For example, most of these red dot sights use a 3 volt CR2032 battery and have battery life exceeding 10-20000 hrs. Some as high as 60,000 hours. Not much power used, right? So a solar panel will power the red dot. But, it's not charging the battery . . . So "prepper panels" are trying to power things that have huge power needs compared to a LED dot and possibly store energy in batteries. Also, think about solar powered watches. Citizen eco drive, Casio G Shocks, Seiko, Timex etc. Solar panels on the face of the watch need some exposure to light to actually power the watch for months! I dug out one of my Seiko solar dive watches that was packed in a moving box for almost 4 months . . . perfect time.

Ok, so like you, I also have little experience with them but I think Holosun has their shit together. Now if they can get solar power and storage (capacitor) together that might be a game changer.

Bingo!

When I installed my first Holosun sight, I was upset that the sight was "defective." The dot would blink about every five seconds and I couldn't adjust the brightness. It wasn't defective. There was no battery installed and it was running completely off the photovoltaic cell from the light in my closet. The dot blinking is intended as a notification that there is a dead battery.... or no battery. I had the same issue when a 507c's battery died during a course. It continued to work, but it blinked.

 

[Saltwater60]

Yeah, I'm thinking you're shitouttaluck when the sun goes down . . .

Supposedly the one I looked at out of curiosity you didn’t need much light or true sun light and it charged the battery to full quickly.

 

[MikeyCNY]

Ah damnit... liking my 507k-GR but that does look nice.

Edit - as of Jan 2023 his videos will be Patreon-only.. kinda sucks, I would think he'd have enough views to be able to monetize? I do support Military Arms Channel on Patreon even though I haven't watched a video in a while.. and I sub to TFBTV on SubscribeStar.

 

[FLA45fan]

Supposedly the one I looked at out of curiosity you didn’t need much light or true sun light and it charged the battery to full quickly.

Wonder what brand it was? Gun show?

 

[Saltwater60]

Wonder what brand it was? Gun show?

I was a customer review of the previous version of this holosun if I remember correctly. He ultimately didn’t recommend it if I’m remembering right. He did say that low light for a few minutes charged it to full and a few seconds of direct sunlight charged it to full.

 

[FLA45fan]

Oh shit! Yeah I'm just going through this thread again and the Holosun SCS was mentioned in post #1106, 7? on Apr 2nd. I knew I'd seen something but I didn't remember. It was right around the time I was moving and I wasn't even thinking about red dots. The review that @MikeyCNY linked gave it high marks. But it's only a MOS version . . .
I'm thinking about putting a Sig 365 optics slide with a 407k on my 365, or maybe buy a Hellcat OSP . . . or even a XD-S for deep carry, all with a 407k. I can grab a XD-S for 385 and I'm sure I saw a HC OSP in the LGS near me last time out . . . hmmm . . .

 

[S&W Fan]

I’m leaning towards the 507k on my M&P shield 2.0 .45 once I get the slide milled.

 

[Beerman]

Hoping that Santa brings me a 507k green dot for my brand new 365X to match up with the 510c on my Ruger PC9. Familiarity can be a good thing when fans get shitty.

 

[minderasr]

I went shooting this past Thursday. It was sunny and pleasant, but windy as hell. I had to crank up the brightness level on the 507K-GR-X2 just to see the damned green reticle as the sun just lit up the target. Switched to the 32 MOA reticle just to make it easier to see. Makes me wonder if I should have opted for red instead of green.

Also, I installed a Wilson Combat grip module on the Sig P365X. The damned thing is quite an aggressive grip! It chewed up my keyboard toughened hands. Switched back to the stock grip module until I can get a chance to take some emery cloth to the WC grip module.

 

[Podmonkey]

I went shooting this past Thursday. It was sunny and pleasant, but windy as hell. I had to crank up the brightness level on the 507K-GR-X2 just to see the damned green reticle as the sun just lit up the target. Switched to the 32 MOA reticle just to make it easier to see. Makes me wonder if I should have opted for red instead of green.

Also, I installed a Wilson Combat grip module on the Sig P365X. The damned thing is quite an aggressive grip! It chewed up my keyboard toughened hands. Switched back to the stock grip module until I can get a chance to take some emery cloth to the WC grip module.

I find green reticles in general to be deficient in that regard.

 

[minderasr]

I find green reticles in general to be deficient in that regard.

Maybe I'll put a red EPS Carry MRS on my Christmas wish list...assuming they're ever back in stock.

 

[Beerman]

LOVING my 365X so far. Sights are spot on, as long as I don’t squeeze my grip too hard. Otherwise, ya know…. the sights are off. Heh. I’ll put a 507k on it in a few months, after I get solid solid solid with the irons. Stock grip is fine for me, but I don’t know any different.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

Maybe I'll put a red EPS Carry MRS on my Christmas wish list...assuming they're ever back in stock.

I waited too long and bought the 507k.

 

[Saltwater60]

I went shooting this past Thursday. It was sunny and pleasant, but windy as hell. I had to crank up the brightness level on the 507K-GR-X2 just to see the damned green reticle as the sun just lit up the target. Switched to the 32 MOA reticle just to make it easier to see. Makes me wonder if I should have opted for red instead of green.

Also, I installed a Wilson Combat grip module on the Sig P365X. The damned thing is quite an aggressive grip! It chewed up my keyboard toughened hands. Switched back to the stock grip module until I can get a chance to take some emery cloth to the WC grip module.

The WC grip is aggressive for sure, but I really like it. It chews up my side a bit here and there, but I’m used to it now.

 

[togmaster]

I went shooting this past Thursday. It was sunny and pleasant, but windy as hell. I had to crank up the brightness level on the 507K-GR-X2 just to see the damned green reticle as the sun just lit up the target. Switched to the 32 MOA reticle just to make it easier to see. Makes me wonder if I should have opted for red instead of green.

Also, I installed a Wilson Combat grip module on the Sig P365X. The damned thing is quite an aggressive grip! It chewed up my keyboard toughened hands. Switched back to the stock grip module until I can get a chance to take some emery cloth to the WC grip module.

Gurley hands.

 

[minderasr]

I waited too long and bought the 507k.

Originally I was going to go with the 407K, but found a good deal on the 507K.

The WC grip is aggressive for sure, but I really like it. It chews up my side a bit here and there, but I’m used to it now.

It's mostly the backstrap chewing up my palm near the webbing between thumb and index finger. Maybe I'll wrap it with some hockey tape or something.

Gurley hands.

Hey, I did say "keyboard toughened". Too many years working IT behind a desk.

 

[Saltwater60]

Originally I was going to go with the 407K, but found a good deal on the 507K.



It's mostly the backstrap chewing up my palm near the webbing between thumb and index finger. Maybe I'll wrap it with some hockey tape or something.



Hey, I did say "keyboard toughened". Too many years working IT behind a desk.

I could see that. That is very aggressive in that area and that’s what rubs on my side a little bit here and there and you feel it.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

Figures. In stock as of now.

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