Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

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US RIFLE M1A said:
I do believe you have it backwards. In order to be hired as armed security, you need an armed security license, which you obtain on your own by taking the required training and then submitting the training and fingerprints to the state. The license is a credential that is not tied in with any specific employer, it is yours and yours alone. Like a drivers license and a job driving a vehicle for a living.

You can fulfill the requirements for the license entirely on your own, which is expensive, but not terribly so. Most of the expense is ammo.

People who work security are entirely 'normal guys' in that there are very few advantages given to anyone who was prior LE, military or any other profession. Yes, some LE training may count as security training, but once that initial phase of training is complete, the yearly updates are the same for everyone.

Don't for a minute buy that nonsense of a 'high end security agency who only hires the most prestigious law enforcement or military personnel...' Nonsense. Get the training, fingerprints and submit the application to the state. That's it.

The only connections between your armed security license and your armed security employer are: 1) once you are actually hired, you have to take an additional 16 hours, and 2) your employer may pay for class fees and ammo. I said may, not will.
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I thought that because it says you need 16-hours of on the job training. I’m assuming you would need to be trained by a current security guard licensee?
www.criminaljustice.ny.gov

Security Guard Training

View the Security Guard Training matrix to see what training you will need according to what job you are applying for.
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Saltwater60 said:
I thought that because it says you need 16-hours of on the job training. I’m assuming you would need to be trained by a current security guard licensee?
www.criminaljustice.ny.gov

Security Guard Training

View the Security Guard Training matrix to see what training you will need according to what job you are applying for.
www.criminaljustice.ny.gov
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No.

On the job training is NOT a senior co-worker showing you around, similar to an FTO.

What it is... When you are officially hired by an employer, you have to go back and more or less re-take the basic 8 hour class over again.

TWICE.

They just call it on-the-job, but it is really just a repeat of the initial 8 hour security class.

You have a certain reasonable interval of time (90 days) in order to take these classes, but they are just repeats of what you already learned and they are held in the same classroom as you go for the other non-firearm related training. Very boring but you only have to take these two 8 hour 'on the job training' classes once per lifetime.
 
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After all that, the day ended pretty much the way it began... Carry on private property (businesses open to the public) and as part of a church team.

Unless I am missing something, the stay for the Suddaby case excluded (still allows) church carry, and the case with Sinatra regarding private property remains unchanged (still allows private property carry.)
 
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US RIFLE M1A said:
Why does that remind me of the chalkboards during Weimar Germany (1930s) on which the proprietor of a shop would scrawl the current value of the Deutchmark (German money).....

The value would change constantly (always for the worse) literally while the customer shopped, ate dinner, etc.

What they did not spend, they went home with and burned to heat their homes.
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So... we not only have a fiat currency, but also a fiat legal system.
 
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US RIFLE M1A said:
No.

On the job training is NOT a senior co-worker showing you around, similar to an FTO.

What it is... When you are officially hired by an employer, you have to go back and more or less re-take the basic 8 hour class over again.

TWICE.

They just call it on-the-job, but it is really just a repeat of the initial 8 hour security class.

You have a certain reasonable interval of time (90 days) in order to take these classes, but they are just repeats of what you already learned and they are held in the same classroom as you go for the other non-firearm related training. Very boring but you only have to take these two 8 hour 'on the job training' classes once per lifetime.
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Thanks. That clears it up but hopefully you see why I thought you needed to be employed.
 
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What we need is a running scoreboard that shows which parts of the CCIA is now suspended and which may be enforced. There is so much going on that nobody can keep track of it all.
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This is my attempt, use with discretion and make your own decisions. Any constructive feedback is welcome.
 

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While I applaud your effort, what I see is depressing. I thought more of it was currently unenforceable.
 
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m1_ping said:
This is my attempt, use with discretion and make your own decisions. Any constructive feedback is welcome.
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I would ask that you not over-write the forms upon changing them.

Create an archive, with dates.

Anyone ever gets jammed up, we can use that to demonstrate that not only is this population (CCW holders) a stickler for the law, but we are not perfect, and may have left the house one morning under one set of laws, and out of Walmart in cuffs under another set of laws because a judge signed a paper repealing our rights just before lunch.
 
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holdover said:
Its only temporary . Theres no comming back .
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If I move, upend my life and give up all that I worked for and move to the reddest of red states, I may buy myself enough time to not have to deal with this ever again in my lifetime.

But it won't last there, either. Not forever.

New York, Cali, Oregon and some others are being used as test cases for nationwide restrictions.

SCOTUS could be 'packed' with liberals sometime in the future, or more realistically, enough conservative justices retire or pass away that the Court is no longer a source of redress.

Even if SCOTUS stays as is for the next few years, legislative bodies all over the US and in DC are always just a few votes from extinguishing our rights. We've seen that up close recently. Sure, spend millions in lawyer fees to fight what they pass overnight.

We have to treat this as a nationwide scourge; moving to the United States, what so many of our ancestors did, created many generations of free people. Moving within the United States to seek larger scraps of freedom is just a temporary solution.

It may work for you, I wish you the best. I'll stand and fight.
 
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