Bozo
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Lawmakers eyeing salary increases, limits on outside income
State lawmakers are considering giving themselves a pay raise while possibly limiting...
NY Lawmakers consider special session to raise their own salaries 18%
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Can't wait to find our house in FL.
Bigfoot
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That's the NYS NYC Government for you. We upstate NYers are fucked.
The only logical answer is to get out. It will get even worse here in NY... You, can, count, on, it.
The only logical answer is to get out. It will get even worse here in NY... You, can, count, on, it.
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ArmedCorgi
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Entitled pieces of shit.
spat
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It's not so much that they think they deserve it.
It's that they think there's nothing voters can do about it.
And they're right.
ArmedCorgi
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I still don't understand why no one has made a ballot initiative to make a law that makes raises for legislators, Etc. something that goes on the ballot for the people to vote on.
Saltwater60
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Whatever they get I will expect the same from the state for my contract. The union guy said to vote hochul because she wants to deal with us. Of course I didn’t vote for hochul.
spat
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And who would have to push that initiative for it to happen?
You think the leaders of the democratic party or the republican party would be the first to torpedo it ?
You won't see that for the same reason you won't see term limits.
90% of America wants term limits, left right and center, but we never even discuss them.
spat
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It was never "deal".
Saltwater60
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Oh I know that. He said Hochul’s admin said they would work with us and Zeldin didn’t respond. Gee I wonder why Zeldin didn’t respond. He then proceeded to tell us how horrible the state was in the past and how they agreed to do all this other stuff and went back on their word. It was rather comical and he looked like a moron.
ArmedCorgi
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Ballot initiatives are something everyday people can do by having a proposition and getting enough signatures to get it on the ballot. Look what happened in Oregon with their latest gun control. That was a ballot proposition.
gunpoliticsny
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Yes.
Saltwater60
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Come on now that would never happen.
repete
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Didn't they get a 20% raise just about 2 years ago?
Don't know the % but yes they gave themselves raises and party tits gave himself one during the shutdown while killing thousands by stuffing sick people into nursing homes
ArmedCorgi
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Does no one here know how ballot initiatives and referendums work? Or does NY just not allow them?
Give up their power to give themselves a raise?
What I am referring to circumvents the legislature/normal legislative process. So no, they wouldn't be giving up their power to give themselves raises. The people would be taking it from them.
Well, let me google the process. If it is as easy as writing it on my ballot then I'll do that.
Well Michigan's process was easy to find. 8% of the electorate via petition. Nys, hidden.
spat
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It circumvents the legislature, it does not circumvent the political parties.
No initiative has a snowballs chance in hell without the approval of the leadership of at least one of them.
ArmedCorgi
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I don't understand where you are coming from. Ballot referendums are direct voting. Any person can start one and if they get enough signatures in a certian time frame, it goes on the ballot. What does the leadership of any political party have to do with it?
spat
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It is effectively impossible for it to get the thresholds it needs without support of a major party.
GOYABEAN
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But but they're special all the sacrifice sweat and tears long hours of sleepless nights #FUCKOFF
ArmedCorgi
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Initiative
Definition of Initiative in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
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Referendum
Definition of Referendum in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com
"Initiative
(redirected from Ballot initiative)Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Encyclopedia.
Initiative
A process of a participatory democracy that empowers the people to propose legislation and to enact or reject the laws at the polls independent of the lawmaking power of the governing body.The purpose of an initiative, which is a type of election commenced and carried out by the people, is to permit the electorate to resolve questions where their elected representatives fail to do so or refuse to proceed with a change that the public desires.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved."
I don't see anything in there that states an initiative must have the consent of political leadership to proceed. Unless you are talking about some kind of political interference at the county level via activist employees (which I think would be illegal). The only thing that may be able to happen, would be for Hochul to veto it should it pass.
"Referendum
Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
Referendum
The right reserved to the people to approve or reject an act of the legislature, or the right of the people to approve or reject legislation that has been referred to them by the legislature.The referendum power is created by state constitutions and is conferred on the citizens of a state or a local subdivision of the state. Referendum provides the people with a means of expressing their opinion on proposed legislation before it becomes operative as a law. The power of referendum does not permit the people to invalidate a law that is already operative but suspends or annuls a law that has not yet gone into effect. In this sense, referendum is similar to a governor's Veto power. Also, by referendum the people may reinstate an act that the legislature has expressly repealed.
The referendum, along with the initiative, are the two forms of direct legislation adopted by many states during the direct democracy movement of the early twentieth century. Referendum allows the people to state their opinion on laws that have been enacted by the legislature, and the initiative allows the people to propose their own laws. Thus, in the states that have adopted the initiative and referendum, the people essentially form another branch of the legislature, having the ability both to enact laws and to overturn laws passed by the elected legislature but not yet in effect. An initiative or a referendum passed by the people has the same force and effect as any act of the legislature. A referendum may be challenged on constitutional grounds, on grounds that proper procedures were not followed in the referendum process and election, or on grounds that the referendum or initiative was outside the scope of authority granted by the state constitution. Also, in some states the governor may veto an initiative or referendum."
You seem to misunderstand... NY is only a state because we're on this continent.
We're more like a province of Chyna. With similar rights to redress our grievance with "our betters"
We understand the concept.
But you're talking as a free citizen in a free state to the subjects of a tyrannical fiefdom
We're more like a province of Chyna. With similar rights to redress our grievance with "our betters"
We understand the concept.
But you're talking as a free citizen in a free state to the subjects of a tyrannical fiefdom
Saltwater60
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We should vote on their raises.
Yes they voted to raise their pay in 2018 from $80,000 to $110,000. So now they want an 18% raise. They will be up to around $130,000 so form 2018 until foray they have received nearly $50,000 in raises in 5 years. Wow that a nice bump for trashing the state and our rights.
www.wgrz.com
Yes they voted to raise their pay in 2018 from $80,000 to $110,000. So now they want an 18% raise. They will be up to around $130,000 so form 2018 until foray they have received nearly $50,000 in raises in 5 years. Wow that a nice bump for trashing the state and our rights.
Pay raise for state lawmakers gains support from Governor Hochul
If state lawmakers want a bump in pay next year, a special session of the legislature would need to be called before the end of the year. Is that the plan?
www.wgrz.com
spat
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You are missing the operative words "effectively" and "practically".Initiative
Definition of Initiative in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
Referendum
Definition of Referendum in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
"Initiative
(redirected from Ballot initiative)
Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Encyclopedia.
Initiative
A process of a participatory democracy that empowers the people to propose legislation and to enact or reject the laws at the polls independent of the lawmaking power of the governing body.
The purpose of an initiative, which is a type of election commenced and carried out by the people, is to permit the electorate to resolve questions where their elected representatives fail to do so or refuse to proceed with a change that the public desires.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved."
I don't see anything in there that states an initiative must have the consent of political leadership to proceed. Unless you are talking about some kind of political interference at the county level via activist employees (which I think would be illegal). The only thing that may be able to happen, would be for Hochul to veto it should it pass.
"Referendum
Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
Referendum
The right reserved to the people to approve or reject an act of the legislature, or the right of the people to approve or reject legislation that has been referred to them by the legislature.
The referendum power is created by state constitutions and is conferred on the citizens of a state or a local subdivision of the state. Referendum provides the people with a means of expressing their opinion on proposed legislation before it becomes operative as a law. The power of referendum does not permit the people to invalidate a law that is already operative but suspends or annuls a law that has not yet gone into effect. In this sense, referendum is similar to a governor's Veto power. Also, by referendum the people may reinstate an act that the legislature has expressly repealed.
The referendum, along with the initiative, are the two forms of direct legislation adopted by many states during the direct democracy movement of the early twentieth century. Referendum allows the people to state their opinion on laws that have been enacted by the legislature, and the initiative allows the people to propose their own laws. Thus, in the states that have adopted the initiative and referendum, the people essentially form another branch of the legislature, having the ability both to enact laws and to overturn laws passed by the elected legislature but not yet in effect. An initiative or a referendum passed by the people has the same force and effect as any act of the legislature. A referendum may be challenged on constitutional grounds, on grounds that proper procedures were not followed in the referendum process and election, or on grounds that the referendum or initiative was outside the scope of authority granted by the state constitution. Also, in some states the governor may veto an initiative or referendum."
There is nothing in the law or constitution that requires a president to be from a major party. In fact, our first famously scorned the idea of parties at all.
But, it has been effectively impossible for any candidate to win an election for POTUS without the backing or either the Ds or the Rs for decades. See Ross Perot for the most recent serious attempt.
The referendums and initiatives suffer the same problem.