CaliberPlus
.45 acp
In my view, the WHOLE handgun permit is wrong. Nothing but a registry. The paperwork is so multilayered it is ridiculous. There, I said it out loud. It is a REGISTRY, not sure how it stands.
2A Lawsuits and their progress we have here in NY
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RedBreast21
.223 Rem
Well in NY you don't get licensed, the gun gets registered to you. It's a gun tracking process here. My Conn non-res license allow me to carry any legal handgun.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
They need to stay relevant and get people out to vote. If they solved too many of our problems in o e go around people wouldn’t vote.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Gov. Hochul proposes changes to New York's concealed carry laws
More changes could be on the way for New York's concealed carry law after Governor Kathy Hochul made several new proposals in her latest budget.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Didn't the witch already say that the CCIA doesn't apply to the Adirondack Park? Kind of like it doesn't apply to reenactments, trap and skeet. Like what the Heil Hochul SAYS should apply....I think this alone should make the whole of 11 laws null and void. The signer should not be able to say Oopsie, made a boo boo.
Article states 125% INCREASE in violence in Jewish Synagouges in NYC. Lets just put up more signs, shoot us, we are unarmed...
(Lots of sarc in this post.)
Article states 125% INCREASE in violence in Jewish Synagouges in NYC. Lets just put up more signs, shoot us, we are unarmed...
(Lots of sarc in this post.)
That_FNG
6.5 Creedmoor
She can say whatever she wants, what matters is what is written in black and white in the law. Nys politicians can say all they want that the Adirondacks entirely are not a sensitive area, but in the black and white words of the written law it is a sensitive area. Until the written words of the law are changed an individual can be arrested for carrying there.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
I agree, that is why I explained there was lots of sarc. And the "Witch"...Heil Hochul, she thinks what she says is law.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
So Alec Baldwin can use a firearm on a movie set. Still no re-enactments.Gov. Hochul proposes changes to New York's concealed carry laws
More changes could be on the way for New York's concealed carry law after Governor Kathy Hochul made several new proposals in her latest budget.www.fox5ny.com
There are some other tweaks to the law Hochul wants to work out in the budget, including clarifying that firearms are allowed at military ceremonies, funerals and on movie production sets.
That_FNG
6.5 Creedmoor
And that will be the downfall. I believe in the deposition for christian vs nigerelli the plaintiff was asked if statements by the governor that the CCIA does not apply to the Adirondacks would make him/her feel comfortable carrying in that area. The plaintiff responded that it does not matter what politicians say only what is written in the black and white written words of the law, and that what was written had made it an illegal action that they could be arrested for by any officer of the law, and that unless the spoken word of the governor is somehow a permission slip to break the law.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
What does it matter since they said in open court on the record that they aren’t enforcing the CCIA so yes you’re correct the only thing that matters is what’s written down. This is a joke.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
i have this book and the cost on updates is getting outrageous now
2 sections of this book should be fully redacted .. all the gun control crap ..
1 section needs a major update ..
that part on killing or injuring someone with any inanimate object ..
still can't find the laws on Assault Rocks in this book ..
2 sections of this book should be fully redacted .. all the gun control crap ..
1 section needs a major update ..
that part on killing or injuring someone with any inanimate object ..
still can't find the laws on Assault Rocks in this book ..
MuttCat
.44 mag
I have not made a study of the penal code, but I have read bits and pieces. It is an indecipherable collection of garbage...might as well be in a foreign language. Go back to the Sullivan Act, delete, delete, delete. The code in whole ignores the 2nd.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Not just a registry, but an illegal tax too.
You can't charge a fee for exercising a right.
Poll taxes were ruled unconstitutional long ago.
So, even if there *were* some background check scheme that was permitted by the constitution (which there isn't), it would have to be at no charge.
I agree gun permits should be free if not extremely cheap, but as SCOTUS has ruled that permits to possess a gun are Constitutional, I would imagine they would also rule a fee to pay for such permit is within reason as long as the fee directly corrolates to the cost of the permit. Which is probably no more than $20. Fingerprints should be free.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
That's not how they ruled on voting.
And we know the cost is largely used to discourage gun ownership by the poor, which is exactly the reason they ruled poll taxes were unconstitutional.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Yeah many are hung up on the amount rather than the fee itself due to deep conditioning. It wouldn't matter if it were $1 to get a permit(license). There should be NO fee. And ultimately NO permit but one step at a time. The only way to make one understand is to keep repeating the comparison of paying to vote. Even if just $1. But I suppose there are some that would be ok with even that and missing the whole point. So maybe this is moot
byron
.308 Win
can you point me to that ruling As far as I know the actual permitting has not been in front of them and they only rule on what's in front of them
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
Yeah many are hung up on the amount rather than the fee itself due to deep conditioning. It wouldn't matter if it were $1 to get a permit(license). There should be NO fee. And ultimately NO permit but one step at a time. The only way to make one understand is to keep repeating the comparison of paying to vote. Even if just $1. But I suppose there are some that would be ok with even that and missing the whole point. So maybe this is moot
i look at it this way .. the armed robber didn't get a permit and nics check .. got caught , did 1/2 yrs .. released .. and did it all over again ..
so why even bother with all the gun control BS and waisted $$$$
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
How many threads are you going to post this on?
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Hopefully as many as necessary to continually call out the troll.
Ah yes, Nygunforum, where having a different opinion other than those from Newsmax means you are a troll. Keep on keepin' on.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Well... so far the score is NYGF 2 Trolls 0.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
In the Bruen decision they said permits and training for guns are allowed. They then followed up saying they can’t be too expensive, too difficult, or take too long or they could violate the 2a. Since Bruen was all about NYD pistol permitting process I’m not sure what your question is? Was this a direct case of are permit constitutional no, but it was all about permits and how shall issue states handled them with you needing a justification for a concealed carry permit.
maverick52
.223 Rem
And that’s exactly what happens here. The fact that Suffolk in such utter defiance and the judge chose to do nothing shows what we are dealing with.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I don’t think that’s the case and if you look at his post history it’s all in the laws and politics threads and nothing on guns or the 2a for the most part. He comes here to post liberal ideas and get a rise out of people just like the last one that was banned. That’s what makes him a troll.
As I’ve said in the past you seem liberal, but you back up your ideas and you participate in the firearms section of a firearms thread. He should join a politics forum if that’s what he wants to discuss. If you’re not bringing gun insight to a gun forum then you shouldn’t be here. he also doesn’t respond or back up his ideas when his thoughts are replied to or asked questions on why he feels that way.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
No standing? Doesn’t every citizen of Suffolk county have standing that’s legally allowed to possess a firearm? I hate this no standing bullshit.
If you read the Motions in this case (as I did), and now read this utter bullshit Decision by this judge, you will, at a minimum want to throw up and hurl chunks. No standing? What a crock of shit. Suffolk County (as well as other entities within, and part of NYS government) are throwing a mountain of contrived shit in the way of citizens trying to exercise their 2A rights.
Sadly, this will continue to be used to deny rights and delay things getting fixed by SCOTUS in their hope that they can turn SCOTUS before these cases get there.
Words cannot adequately describe my level of disgust.
JRtraderny
.223 Rem
Maybe they need to read their law books some more .
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
who said that ?? in another case they also said some RIGHTS are not unlimited .. really ..
it only took how many yrs to say Roe v Wade was wrong and its up to the States ..
there not perfect
the main thing from Bruen .. is to go back to 1791 and the GOVT has to show what law was there on permits back then .. there are none ..
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