Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
See ya there.
Collin's challenging the Safe Act?
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BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Like Marijuana Laws - Illegal Immigration - Sanctuary States or Heller and McDonald, Cuomo will just ignore it and do what the highest donation wants.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Like Marijuana Laws - Illegal Immigration - Sanctuary States or Heller and McDonald, Cuomo will just ignore it and do what the highest donation wants.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Can't hurt, keep those card's, letter's and email's coming gang!!!!!
Robin
Robin
I'm here now. Good crowd. One, and only one person protesting out at the street.
Well, it was interesting, but if it gets any traction, I'll be damned surprised.
The local tv stations were there. Collins took on one of them over calling them Assault Rifles.
The camera guy for WGRZ Channel 2 was an obvious anti gun rights douchebag with questions he asked Collins.
One more thing: I got an aside with Collins afterwards, and asked him about HR38. He replied: what's that? (Here's a hint: you're one of 207 sponsors of the National Reciprocity Bill...). He replied that it is going nowhere because the NRA refuses to support it at all as it would need to set some minimum national standards, and they are totally against that according to him. Also, he said that restrictive states like NY and others would flip out over the prospect of people from states with very minimal requirements being able to come to highly restrictive states like NY and especially NYC and carry... So, I'm guessing that HR38 is pretty much worthless and only for show.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
The local tv stations were there. Collins took on one of them over calling them Assault Rifles.
The camera guy for WGRZ Channel 2 was an obvious anti gun rights douchebag with questions he asked Collins.
One more thing: I got an aside with Collins afterwards, and asked him about HR38. He replied: what's that? (Here's a hint: you're one of 207 sponsors of the National Reciprocity Bill...). He replied that it is going nowhere because the NRA refuses to support it at all as it would need to set some minimum national standards, and they are totally against that according to him. Also, he said that restrictive states like NY and others would flip out over the prospect of people from states with very minimal requirements being able to come to highly restrictive states like NY and especially NYC and carry... So, I'm guessing that HR38 is pretty much worthless and only for show.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Now...just what does THAT tell you about Collins and the NRA ?
One: Collins doesn't even remember the bill he CO-SPONSORED. Yup....he's dedicated to the cause.
Two: National concealed carry reciprocity is DOA because the NRA won't back it due to "minimal national standards" and cities like NYC would "flip out" if people from free America could carry concealed in the 5 Boroughs.
You NRA supporters/apologists get it yet ?
Just saw the story on WGRZ Ch. 2 - misidentified the location of the club for starters. Read a statement from Herr Cumho how it affects millions of people's safety. I HATE this state.
10 pm edit - ok now saying two separate events, one in Monroe and one in Erie. At legal analysis by a UB Law professor also. I didn't get the warm fuzzies when he was done.
10 pm edit - ok now saying two separate events, one in Monroe and one in Erie. At legal analysis by a UB Law professor also. I didn't get the warm fuzzies when he was done.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't care anymore. I have my own reciprocity just like @4excal . You should get your own too. You'll feel better.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Yup. The ole "fuck everyone and every fake BS law" lol out to protect me and mine.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
The only "minimum standard" I would support is the 2A.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
So you support minimal national standards?
The states that don't require a license will now have issue them that meet some minimal standard. And you think the NRA should back that?
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
It just hit Breitbart:
GOP Rep. Introduces Legislation to Nullify State-Level Gun Controls - Breitbart
GOP Rep. Introduces Legislation to Nullify State-Level Gun Controls - Breitbart
All the NRA backs are minimal amounts of money raised so the question is moot from the onset.
Doesn't one have to take a safety course to obtain a hunting license or use the ranges at the local gun club ? If minimal standards are a safety course that the NSSF for example creates and administers then I'd have no problem with it. If it's a government thing then no I certainly won't support it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Minimal Standards are a NICS check. Everyone gets those. Or are they saying that NICS isn't good enough?
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
He replied that it is going nowhere because the NRA refuses to support it at all as it would need to set some minimum national standards,
of which the NRA will supply certified instructors who have to purchase NRA supplies to teach said minimum standards.
I am a "Certified Instructor" and I see a loss in revenue for the NRA if the Bill went through as is. BUT if they get minimum national standards is opens up a whole new market of the states not like NY. It's boils down to dead presidents my friends, money talks and bullshit walks.
of which the NRA will supply certified instructors who have to purchase NRA supplies to teach said minimum standards.
I am a "Certified Instructor" and I see a loss in revenue for the NRA if the Bill went through as is. BUT if they get minimum national standards is opens up a whole new market of the states not like NY. It's boils down to dead presidents my friends, money talks and bullshit walks.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Glad you edited that!
This is would be the government requiring a minimal standard! No matter who designed the safety course. And how about the states that don't require and safety courses for a pistol license their really going to like that!
You're idea would be a great boost for NRA instructor's thank you!
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I did. Heller says the 2A is not just for the home. So a NICS should be sufficient.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
You don't comprehend very well!
The quote was '' the NRA refuses to support it at all as it would need to set some minimum national standards" So a state that only requires a NICS may not meet the minimum requirements! I would think you would support that? It is not going to change the maximum requirements that a state like ours has!
It was edited for grammar reasons not content and the NRA Instructor program is one of the few things the NRA hasn't screwed up....yet.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Yes I know! It change when I quoted it! I couldn't make heads or tails of it as it was!
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The bill makes no mention of requirements. That's just the NRA saying that as a way out. Did you read the actual bill?
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
I am quoting what Collins was quoted in post #36!
The NRA is still promoting this on there site!
This was posted on another forum:
"I am pleased to announce Rep. Chris Collins’s (R-NY 27) sponsorship of the Second Amendment Guarantee Act, H.R. 3576.
As you know, I have been opposed to the SAFE Act since its unconstitutional adoption in January 2013. This bill has been one year in the making. Last summer, I asked my attorney if anything could be done about the SAFE Act.
My attorney drafted a proposed bill to repeal the SAFE Act. The bill uses congressional authority to preempt states from infringing upon the Second Amendment. After the U.S. Presidential Election of 2016, it became obvious that the time and political conditions were ripe to repeal NY’s SAFE assault weapons ban.
Being a past supporter of the Shooter’s Committee on Political Education, I asked my attorney to contact SCOPE and see if they wished to get behind the bill. SCOPE joined this fight and has tirelessly worked to ensure support for the bill in Western New York.
On January 17, 2017 Rep. Collins warmly received my attorney and SCOPE and committed himself to the fight for our Constitutional Rights. Between January and July, work continued on the Second Amendment Guarantee Act (SAGA Act). As of today, the Second Amendment Guarantee Act is House Resolution 3576. Using Congressional authority to regulate interstate commerce, the bill prohibits states from banning the ownership of modern sporting rifles and shotguns, so called “Assault Rifles”, using the feature test. If you read the bill carefully, it also extends to rifles and shotguns that are legally available throughout the majority of the United States.
I cannot thank the hardworking dedicated members of Erie County and other Western New York SCOPEchapters (along with the state SCOPE organization) enough for their tireless work in letting our elected representatives know how important this bill is in protecting New Yorker’s Second and Fourteenth Amendment Rights.
I am a lifelong supporter and defender of Americans’ civil rights. As such, I wholeheartedly believe that we owe Rep. Collins our thanks, support, and votes (if you live in his district). All who support this bill should write or email their federal representatives and demand that they fully support H.R. 3576. If you reside in New York's 27th District, please state that in your correspondence. We will not succeed without nationwide support nor without local support of Rep. Collins. You must do your part and do it now.
A great many thanks to my esteemed attorney who initially devised, developed, and created this magnificent project, and also to
Frank Panasuk (Ironjockey), Scott Zawierucha, New York State Assemblyman David DiPietro, and to the dedicated membership and leadership of SCOPE. If you aren’t a member of SCOPE, join today!
I will monitor this website to answer questions about the bill, as best as I can, along with SCOPE director Frank Panasuk (Ironjockey). Please remember that we are not lawyers but we will do our best to keep you informed.
Aquadoc
Link to Congressman Chris Collins
Contact
Link to SAGA Bill at Congress.gov:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3576?r=57"
"I am pleased to announce Rep. Chris Collins’s (R-NY 27) sponsorship of the Second Amendment Guarantee Act, H.R. 3576.
As you know, I have been opposed to the SAFE Act since its unconstitutional adoption in January 2013. This bill has been one year in the making. Last summer, I asked my attorney if anything could be done about the SAFE Act.
My attorney drafted a proposed bill to repeal the SAFE Act. The bill uses congressional authority to preempt states from infringing upon the Second Amendment. After the U.S. Presidential Election of 2016, it became obvious that the time and political conditions were ripe to repeal NY’s SAFE assault weapons ban.
Being a past supporter of the Shooter’s Committee on Political Education, I asked my attorney to contact SCOPE and see if they wished to get behind the bill. SCOPE joined this fight and has tirelessly worked to ensure support for the bill in Western New York.
On January 17, 2017 Rep. Collins warmly received my attorney and SCOPE and committed himself to the fight for our Constitutional Rights. Between January and July, work continued on the Second Amendment Guarantee Act (SAGA Act). As of today, the Second Amendment Guarantee Act is House Resolution 3576. Using Congressional authority to regulate interstate commerce, the bill prohibits states from banning the ownership of modern sporting rifles and shotguns, so called “Assault Rifles”, using the feature test. If you read the bill carefully, it also extends to rifles and shotguns that are legally available throughout the majority of the United States.
I cannot thank the hardworking dedicated members of Erie County and other Western New York SCOPEchapters (along with the state SCOPE organization) enough for their tireless work in letting our elected representatives know how important this bill is in protecting New Yorker’s Second and Fourteenth Amendment Rights.
I am a lifelong supporter and defender of Americans’ civil rights. As such, I wholeheartedly believe that we owe Rep. Collins our thanks, support, and votes (if you live in his district). All who support this bill should write or email their federal representatives and demand that they fully support H.R. 3576. If you reside in New York's 27th District, please state that in your correspondence. We will not succeed without nationwide support nor without local support of Rep. Collins. You must do your part and do it now.
A great many thanks to my esteemed attorney who initially devised, developed, and created this magnificent project, and also to
Frank Panasuk (Ironjockey), Scott Zawierucha, New York State Assemblyman David DiPietro, and to the dedicated membership and leadership of SCOPE. If you aren’t a member of SCOPE, join today!
I will monitor this website to answer questions about the bill, as best as I can, along with SCOPE director Frank Panasuk (Ironjockey). Please remember that we are not lawyers but we will do our best to keep you informed.
Aquadoc
Link to Congressman Chris Collins
Contact
Link to SAGA Bill at Congress.gov:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3576?r=57"
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's a sham and dog and pony that they are promoting it or else they would really promote it. Colion isn't just a guy. He's in the in of the NRA and even hosts their show.
If he said what he said, then the NRA isn't backing this for real no matter what their website says.
Well this seems to be the talk of the town as he did introduce it. Hoping to get an H.R. number so I can follow it. As much as id love to see this passed I know it is doomed to fail I still would like to follow it.
Granted I'm still ok as of right now if the state level bill to leave the safe act to just the city and give the rest of the state some freedoms back (that right there to me is a starting point, then work from there)
Granted I'm still ok as of right now if the state level bill to leave the safe act to just the city and give the rest of the state some freedoms back (that right there to me is a starting point, then work from there)
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
This is about Congressman Chris Collins not NRA spokesperson Colion Noir
spat
.950 JDJ
They only need to offer a license that meets standards for reciprocity.
Some of the constitutional carry states do that for reciprocity now.
They offer a license for reciprocity, but do not require it for carry within the state.