Passed the House! Step one down.
Updated Standing of H.R. 38
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Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
i have lots of lowers in stock!
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
So just what is the timeline for the Senate doing their part of killing the bill ?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
House passes concealed carry gun bill
Despite bipartisan support for enhancing background checks for gun purchases, the bill passed along party lines, 231-198, due to Democratic opposition to the concealed-carry reciprocity measure.
Six centrist Democrats voted with Republicans to approve the package: Reps. Sanford Bishop (Ga.), Henry Cuellar (Texas), Vicente Gonzalez (Texas),
Fourteen Republicans voted “no,” including a mix of conservatives and centrists.
Conservative Rep. Thomas MassieThomas Harold MassieGOP could punt funding fight to JanuaryMcConnell PAC demands Moore return its moneyCongress must end American support for Saudi war in YemenMORE (R-Ky.) held the mirror opposite position of Democrats who voted against the legislation: he supports concealed-carry reciprocity but didn’t want the background check measure attached.
Under the House legislation, people with permits for carrying concealed handguns could do so in any state that allows concealed weapons.
People could only use their concealed-carry permits in other states that allow the practice if they are carrying a valid government-issued photo ID and are lawfully licensed to possess a concealed handgun. They would still have to adhere to established state and local laws.
House passes concealed carry gun bill
So where does this sit as far as NY City ?
Despite bipartisan support for enhancing background checks for gun purchases, the bill passed along party lines, 231-198, due to Democratic opposition to the concealed-carry reciprocity measure.
Six centrist Democrats voted with Republicans to approve the package: Reps. Sanford Bishop (Ga.), Henry Cuellar (Texas), Vicente Gonzalez (Texas),
Fourteen Republicans voted “no,” including a mix of conservatives and centrists.
Conservative Rep. Thomas MassieThomas Harold MassieGOP could punt funding fight to JanuaryMcConnell PAC demands Moore return its moneyCongress must end American support for Saudi war in YemenMORE (R-Ky.) held the mirror opposite position of Democrats who voted against the legislation: he supports concealed-carry reciprocity but didn’t want the background check measure attached.
Under the House legislation, people with permits for carrying concealed handguns could do so in any state that allows concealed weapons.
People could only use their concealed-carry permits in other states that allow the practice if they are carrying a valid government-issued photo ID and are lawfully licensed to possess a concealed handgun. They would still have to adhere to established state and local laws.
House passes concealed carry gun bill
So where does this sit as far as NY City ?
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Not sure what your point is by quoting a post i made with what i thought the law was intending to implement, and what i find to be ridiculous.
Stating what my understanding was, is not indicative of what i personally believe.
The 2a is different than driving, although the comparison is often made.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Nowhere in the bill does it say that you have to adhere to local laws except for the quoted text in italics below. I don't know why people and blogs keep saying that.
“(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that—
“(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or
“(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
NY will soon not allow concealed weapons thereby skirting the law.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They will pass laws allowing private businesses not to allow weapons. Every business in NYC will have a sign.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I'm pretty sure that already exists.
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stuck in ny
Guest
Our little song to the Sullivan laws...
Tim716
22lr
This is encouraging, hopefully it passes the next stop and is signed into law.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not yet in New York City or New York State. The signs don't make it illegal.
Nanook145
.40 S&W
No doubt they will try to pass new laws in NY if this bill becomes law (still trying to figure out why its prognosis is so bad if it easily passed the house today), but this bill will make it MUCH harder for them to effectively do that.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
I’m sure NY will pass other laws and claim they’re Constitutional. This is going to be a long drawn out process, with court challenges and blatant disregard to follow.
If they’ll sue over tax reform..........
New York will sue to block Trump's tax reform plan if it passes, Cuomo says
If they’ll sue over tax reform..........
New York will sue to block Trump's tax reform plan if it passes, Cuomo says
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Anything Dems are for I am against. So if they want it, I want nothing to do with it.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
✔ @NYGovCuomo
Concealed-Carry Reciprocity would let out-of-state people convicted of violent misdemeanors carry hidden, loaded weapons in New York.
That’s pure insanity. Only the NRA could propose something so vile. https://twitter.com/politico/status/938525252325343232 …
5:06 PM - Dec 6, 2017
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
The only good Democrap is the ones floating belly up in the Hudson, or chopped up in a crab trap.
Nanook145
.40 S&W
Andrew Cuomo
✔ @NYGovCuomo
Concealed-Carry Reciprocity would let out-of-state people convicted of violent misdemeanors carry hidden, loaded weapons in New York.
That’s pure insanity. Only the NRA could propose something so vile. https://twitter.com/politico/status/938525252325343232 …
5:06 PM - Dec 6, 2017
Imagine his reaction when he finds out it will allow people with misdemeanors (and other minor infractions that NY regularly denies CCW applications for) who live in NY to get out an out of state permit and still carry in this state. LMAO
fartgamer
.223 Rem
You
If I heard correctly, the Senate version does not have the same provision.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
So if the Senate version is different and passes then a compromise is in order ? .. How does this work .
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
When will the final answer be known?
Correct. They form a committee to create one bill. The House bill contains a few provisions that have no chance of surviving. Non-resident permitd being one, along with overriding state laws on magazine capacity.
They keep passing bills back and forth until they come to an agreement.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
H.R. 38 & H.R. 4477 National Reciprocity and fix-NICS combined pases House 12/6/17 - Page 4 - Calguns.net
Some good conversations going on ..
High Capacity Ammunition Magazines. Congressman David Cicilline (D-RI) offered an amendment to prohibit the bill from allowing the carrying of high capacity magazines for use with handguns across state lines. The amendment was defeated by a vote of 7-17.
That is a clear indication of legislative intent—H.R. 38 allows people to carry “any” magazine across state lines, if they have an out of state CCW.
Text from the Bill itself
“(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine.
IF this passes with (2) in place will we have a good chance to get rid of a 10 round limit for all guns . (when we have to argue this in court )
Some good conversations going on ..
High Capacity Ammunition Magazines. Congressman David Cicilline (D-RI) offered an amendment to prohibit the bill from allowing the carrying of high capacity magazines for use with handguns across state lines. The amendment was defeated by a vote of 7-17.
That is a clear indication of legislative intent—H.R. 38 allows people to carry “any” magazine across state lines, if they have an out of state CCW.
Text from the Bill itself
“(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine.
IF this passes with (2) in place will we have a good chance to get rid of a 10 round limit for all guns . (when we have to argue this in court )
Prudii
.357 mag
This is probably going to get passed to the Senate and ignored or amended with something we really don't want and the sent back to the house where it will be scrapped. If a fix NICS bill or a reciprocity bill make it to the president before this session ends I'll be shocked.
Nanook145
.40 S&W
If you are feeling pessimistic, consider watching this video. Greater political odds have definitely been beat in the recent past.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
The senate version is in the judiciary committee now. We need 60 votes on the senate floor for it to pass. There are 52 repubs, and we know some are rinos. Figure at least 10 demoncrats will need to support it. My fingers are crossed, but im not very optimistic.
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