Strange timing? Kolbe dies, and suddenly HR 38 moves?

[Marine Cpl]

there is no problem with Nics except for jurisdictions not doing what they are all ready required to do. Want to fix that hold them accountable, that easey Have them do there job and when they don't FIRE THEM! just like the IRS scandal from a couple of years ago .no new laws needed to be created just need to hold people accountable for there lack of actions. As Donald has already said Treat is as a business if they don't perform there job duties tell them YOUR FIRED!

So you are going to fire a whole agency that says they don't have the manpower to report? Because that's what some agencies are claiming.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The fix NICS is nothing more than a gun grab. Lets say you get a parking or speeding ticket and you forget to pay it (whether by accident or on purpose) After a few months, a judge will issue a bench warrant for your arrest because you failed to either show up or submit a plea, now you are a "fugitive from justice" Your name now goes into the FBI NICS system. Now lets say a year or two later you're on vacation in Texas and you get pulled over for rolling through a stop sign. Your name will come up as a "FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE with an outstanding warrant. You get arrested. the LEO doesn't know what the warrant is for and he/she won't care. Guess what is about to happen to your CCW permit and ALL YOUR FIREARMS. This "fix" isn't a fix at all, it's gun grab, period

What you just described is current law.

Edit. Missed the parking ticket. That's ridiculous but a bench warrant leading to a failed NICS is current law.

 

[Nanook145]

YES I WOULD RATHER NOT! have the carry bill. I don't want to give up rights to get rights, I travel all over the united states and few areas I am not legally allowed to have my firearm with me. You can apply for non resident permits very simply.

I have had non resident permits forever , there are other solutions to traveling to other states with a firearm.

Stop offering up my rights to solve your temporary problem

Dude are you nuts! Say you live in Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, or any county south of Albany. You literally cannot carry under current conditions in 3/4 directions. South-NYC, East-CT, West, NJ. Not only that, all of these jurisdictions with the exception (maybe) of CT will not issue permits to outsiders basically under ANY circumstances. Travel a little more in either direction perhaps and you are in equally anti-gun MA, MD, DC and DE. I don't know what are you are on to make such a ridiculous statement. It really makes me sad that ignorant, irrational people like you could ultimately be what costs us this bill.

 

[Jmac00]

What you just described is current law.

generally, a failed plea on a speeding ticket isn't going to get you reported to the NICS

 

[Jmac00]

here's what all this boils down to.

These Bills should be separated and voted on individually, period.

 

[Marine Cpl]

generally, a failed plea on a speeding ticket isn't going to get you reported to the NICS

Neither is it with Fix Nics. Where are you reading that a parking ticket will get you a bench warrant? I missed that in the previous post where you rambled on about bench warrant leading to Fugitive and failed NICS. Yes that's current law.

No. A parking ticket will not lead to a bench warrant.

 

[misunderestimated]

Dude are you nuts! Say you live in Westchester, Putnam, Rockland, or any county south of Albany. You literally cannot carry under current conditions in 3/4 directions. South-NYC, East-CT, West, NJ. Not only that, all of these jurisdictions with the exception (maybe) of CT will not issue permits to outsiders basically under ANY circumstances. Travel a little more in either direction perhaps and you are in equally anti-gun MA, MD, DC and DE. I don't know what are you are on to make such a ridiculous statement. It really makes me sad that ignorant, irrational people like you could ultimately be what costs us this bill.

DO you really believe for one minute these states are going to lay down allow you to carry, they don't even let there residents . do you believe this is going to override that we are not allowed to carry in the city. Do you believe the state of NJ who doesn't issue carry permits to except to only the few is now going to honor my daughters full carry permit from the state of Alabama. I am for the carry bill but its not that magic pill you folks are thinking it is.

Again I say pass it as a clean bill alone. Not with the fix Nics bill.

 

[Marine Cpl]

DO you really believe for one minute these states are going to lay down allow you to carry, they don't even let there residents . do you believe this is going to override that we are not allowed to carry in the city. Do you believe the state of NJ who doesn't issue carry permits to except to only the few is now going to honor my daughters full carry permit from the state of Alabama. I am for the carry bill but its not that magic pill you folks are thinking it is.

Again I say pass it as a clean bill alone. Not with the fix Nics bill.

Yes. They have to just like they have to with LEOSA and FOPA.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The derp in this thread is amazing.

 

[misunderestimated]

I love these rose colored glasses folks are wearing.

 

[Nanook145]

DO you really believe for one minute these states are going to lay down allow you to carry, they don't even let there residents . do you believe this is going to override that we are not allowed to carry in the city. Do you believe the state of NJ who doesn't issue carry permits to except to only the few is now going to honor my daughters full carry permit from the state of Alabama. I am for the carry bill but its not that magic pill you folks are thinking it is.

Again I say pass it as a clean bill alone. Not with the fix Nics bill.

Yes, that is precisely what I think. They will not even have a choice. But that isn't what I flagged you for. You statement saying how you "can pretty much already carry everywhere" is absolutely absurd. Even more absurd is that you would say this as a (presumably) NY resident where basically every single state that borders us will not recognize our permits. But even if you were from the most pro-gun part of this country, saying that this bill wouldn't change much for you or anyone else is ridiculous.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I love people who don't read the bill, read the provisions in it on punishment to states for non compliance and still make an opinion.

 

[misunderestimated]

I have read the bill the original bill. it was a nice bill.

 

[Nanook145]

I have read the bill the original bill. it was a nice bill.

LOL you live 40 minutes North of NYC and think you can freely carry everywhere!? A better question would be to ask where you CAN currently carry without this bill.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I have read the bill the original bill. it was a nice bill.

It's the same bill. Some additions were made at the bottom to the reciprocity bill for LEO's and judges. Here read it again along with the fix Nics.

http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20171204/BILLS-115HR38-RCP115-45.xml

 

[Jmac00]

What you just described is current law.

Edit. Missed the parking ticket. That's ridiculous but a bench warrant leading to a failed NICS is current law.

here, read this,

A Massachusetts Police Officer Talks About How an Unpaid Traffic Ticket Could Result in a Gun Ban | Fact Sheets

 

[Marine Cpl]

here, read this,

A Massachusetts Police Officer Talks About How an Unpaid Traffic Ticket Could Result in a Gun Ban | Fact Sheets

How long did it take you to find that? More fake news. It doesn't work that way. You get a parking ticket. It doesn't get paid. You get a letter in the mail with a late fee. Failure to pay that ticket and your car gets impounded depending on the state. Some states don't do that for parking tickets. They just keep adding surcharges and sending you notices. You don't automatically get reported to NICS after 1 ticket. It has to take months after numerous failure to pays to get issued a bench warrant. That's fear mongering for those gullible enough to believe that.

And another thing. Fix Nics doesn't make a bench warrant lead to your arrest. Your actions do. Nics is already law. Your scenario above after numerous failures to comply will happen without Fix Nics because Nics is already here. It's been here since the 90's. Nics isn't new.

You keep glossing over the fact that we already have Nics and are acting like the Fix Nics bill is creating Nics brand new.

 

[CaseHardened]

Blah Blah Blah Fuckin' Blah.

Reciprocity is a STARTING POINT.

And a damn good one.

 

[Jmac00]

How long did it take you to find that? More fake news. It doesn't work that way. You get a parking ticket. It doesn't get paid. You get a letter in the mail with a late fee. Failure to pay that ticket and your car gets impounded depending on the state. Some states don't do that for parking tickets. They just keep adding surcharges and sending you notices. You don't automatically get reported to NICS after 1 ticket. It has to take months after numerous failure to pays to get issued a bench warrant. That's fear mongering for those gullible enough to believe that.

And another thing. Fix Nics doesn't make a bench warrant lead to your arrest. Your actions do. Nics is already law. Your scenario above after numerous failures to comply will happen without Fix Nics because Nics is already here. It's been here since the 90's. Nics isn't new.

You keep glossing over the fact that we already have Nics and are acting like the Fix Nics bill is creating Nics brand new.

You keep telling everyone that **Nics is already law** ~~~~ then why do we need a "fix"

again, These Bills need to be voted on separately, reciprocity and "this fix" must be separated. AND if these bills go through together I WILL BET YOU $20, that "fix NICS"gets voted in and National Reciprocity gets dropped and does not pass...

 

[Marine Cpl]

You keep telling everyone that **Nics is already law** ~~~~ then why do we need a "fix"

again, These Bills need to be voted on separately, reciprocity and "this fix" must be separated. AND if these bills go through together I WILL BET YOU $20, that "fix NICS"gets voted in and National Reciprocity gets dropped and does not pass...

It's basically like this. Illegal Immigration is illegal. Some states ignore it. Some say they don't have the manpower to combat illegal immigration. There are no penalities for those states that ignore it. A law is passed to force them to not ignore it by instilling penalties and providing funding to those that say they are too small to enforce it.

You are correct. You shouldn't need it but it is what it is. It's already illegal.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[misunderestimated]

LOL you live 40 minutes North of NYC and think you can freely carry everywhere!? A better question would be to ask where you CAN currently carry without this bill.

The states I can carry in
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

The states I cannot carry in
Some of witch I would never travel to even if i could carry
California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

2 of the state i can not carry in I do actively ,legally bring my hand guns into the states to compete in shooting events

SO yes I would rather not have this bill if it comes with the fix nics bill

 

[Marine Cpl]

SO yes I would rather not have this bill if it comes with the fix nics bill

And why is that? Do you think we don't have NICS now?

 

[Truebeliever]

The states I can carry in
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

The states I cannot carry in
Some of witch I would never travel to even if i could carry
California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

2 of the state i can not carry in I do actively ,legally bring my hand guns into the states to compete in shooting events

SO yes I would rather not have this bill if it comes with the fix nics bill

Really, drive out of State and park outside school. Your out of state permit reciprocity if issued by another state does not protect you from the federal school zone law. It’s not enforced except by the Feds but why take chance.

I have out of state permits and LEOSA and still want the change to the law.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@misunderestimated , All fix NICS does is fix NICS which we already have. It makes it mandatory for agencies already required to report to NICS to do so by instilling penalties on them when they don't. It gives funding to smaller agencies that do not have the manpower to report to NICS. It fixes NICS which is already law.

If you don't like NICS (which many of us do not and are probably with you on that) then we need to do the impossible and abolish NICS in it's entirety. That is probably an impossible and unlikely feat. But not letting "FIX NICS" pass with reciprocity doesn't get rid of NICS. NICS will still be there.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I have real doubts as to the Republicans ever even trying to push this thru the Senate. The first thing they need to do is to eliminate the Filibuster Rule for ordinary legislation, but I don’t think McConnell will do that.

I think there is a slight possibility that if it was brought up for a vote, the fact that it is now a combined bill MIGHT mean that some Democrats would vote for it.

More likely though, is that it would die again, just like it did in 2013? when it failed in the Senate by a couple of votes short of 60.

I’ve tamped down my hopes that this will pass and be signed into law before McTurtle and Co. manage to give away Senate control.

If by some miracle it passed, well, I’ll be happy.

 

[misunderestimated]

@misunderestimated , All fix NICS does is fix NICS which we already have. It makes it mandatory for agencies already required to report to NICS to do so by instilling penalties on them when they don't. It gives funding to smaller agencies that do not have the manpower to report to NICS. It fixes NICS which is already law.

If you don't like NICS (which many of us do not and are probably with you on that) then we need to do the impossible and abolish NICS in it's entirety. That is probably an impossible and unlikely feat. But not letting "FIX NICS" pass with reciprocity doesn't get rid of NICS. NICS will still be there.

I am not against NICS I never have been.

Think for a moment We have enough laws already in place and we needs to just follow the laws . Its like thinking if you pass more guns restrictions it will make the world a safer place. Want to make the world safer enforce the laws already in place. Criminals don't follow the current laws and need to be properly charged, Charging a repeat offender with possession of stolen property instead of unlicensed fire arm is a criminal act in it self. That being said Fix Nics is not needed . Look at the current situation with the FBI do you really think there is any way to hold a government entity accountable , Its like believing there is a tooth fairy

 

[Marine Cpl]

I am not against NICS I never have been.

Think for a moment We have enough laws already in place and we needs to just follow the laws . Its like thinking if you pass more guns restrictions it will make the world a safer place. Want to make the world safer enforce the laws already in place. Criminals don't follow the current laws and need to be properly charged, Charging a repeat offender with possession of stolen property instead of unlicensed fire arm is a criminal act in it self. That being said Fix Nics is not needed . Look at the current situation with the FBI do you really think there is any way to hold a government entity accountable , Its like believing there is a tooth fairy

Right. I get that but do you really think it's worth not having reciprocity because of it?

Reciprocity will open the door and put the Sullivan Act and the AWB in jeopardy since you'd be able to have unregistered handguns and assault weapon AR pistols with out-of-state licenses. It's 10 steps ahead rather than staying stagnant for the personal principal of not passing laws that say you most obey the current law.