byron
.308 Win
Nine Guns, Hunting Gear Stolen in Tioga Cabin Burglary
I would never leave guns in an unattened cabin just looking for troubel
I would never leave guns in an unattened cabin just looking for troubel
Nine Guns, Hunting Gear Stolen in Tioga Cabin Burglary
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minderasr
6.5 Creedmoor
"Police say sometime between July 8th and October 24th..."
No doubt they're on the streets of NYC killing babies. [sarcasm]
No doubt they're on the streets of NYC killing babies. [sarcasm]
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Isnt that the time frame you want to be IN the cabin?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Where would you keep them? They were locked in a safe in a locked house for crying out loud.
Its not the victim's fault. Its the criminal's fault.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"They also damaged a door frame."
Those sons of bitches.
Those sons of bitches.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
gun safe gone too .. so much for safe storage laws .. FULawMakers .. your IQ's are under a slimy slug .. My car / truck /camper /home / cabin/ shop is a locked safe .. but its me and others fault if they get stolen .. you piss me off you fkin jerk .. ( name that tune anyone ) LOL ..
Oh, the rodeo song. I remember it well.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Ive heard of a lot of people who keep the doors to their cabins open, because they got tired of fixing broken windows and doors , Mostly kids drinking , but still. Those weapons are expensive . If your going to keep them there keep them hidden in a false wall or floor or something . leaving them there may be your legal right , but so is walking through a ghetto in the Bronx at 2 AM. Just not a good idea.
byron
.308 Win
I'd bring them home with me seen to many cabins out in the boonies broken into and robbed around here over the years. nobody around too easy pickings
What are the libs planning now?
In a perfect world you are absolutely right.
But....
Where I live there are hundreds of hunting camps and cabins.
95% of them are broken into many times over.
Everyone I know with a remote cabin knows to not leave any valuables in their cabins.
Its kind of a well known thing among cabin owners.
About 10 years ago I was hunting on our property.
I saw smoke coming from the chimney of our small cabin.
I found 2 hunters sleeping in the cabin at 9:30 am.
They were nice guys and did not cause any damage but they were trespassing, breaking and entering and commiting larceny.....they used my wood and ate 2 cans of chili.
One guy said his father used to bring him to this cabin 20 years prior.
The cabin had been there for 9 years at the time.
They left immediately.
This is what we get for owning property connected to state land I guess.
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
That same shit happens out here all the time and people still leave expensive stuff at their cabins. Fishing g gear, hu ting gear, lawn mowers, chainsaws and other stuff.
Most of the time it is druggies stealing for their next score.
When they get caught most of the time they are charged with a parole violation and serve a week in the county jail and then released, no new theft charge.
Most of the time it is druggies stealing for their next score.
When they get caught most of the time they are charged with a parole violation and serve a week in the county jail and then released, no new theft charge.
thegatman
.308 Win
Always provide for the worst scenario. Hidden reinforced walls, bolted items to floors etc.
Twogunwilly
6.5 Creedmoor
A friends cabin in Vt, is never locked, there's a welcome sign on the door, a request not to trash it & please replenish any wood you use. It's very remote and it's open mainly incase somebody gets lost and needs refuge for the night.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
I think its fare to say leaving multiple fire arms in a cabin in the woods is a dumb idea without vilifying the victim. I don't leave valuable shit in my car because i don't want it stolen by a crack head.
And yet again, the victim is being vilified!!
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Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
i wouldnt either, and while its certainly not the owners fault, in this day and age one needs to think like a criminal to protect yourself from criminals.
Cleck
.308 Win
It's a hard thing to argue against, the guy put all his stuff in a safe like we're all told. That being said, how often is he going to that property? Is he going down monthly? Is it a summer/hunting camp? Is he there once a week? Whoever hit that place knew he wouldn't be there, they cleaned his ass out.
Where I grew up, there were plenty of camps around me. I ran across them plenty of times while traipsing around. Once you figure out a person's habits, it's easy to do what you want.
I'm definitely surprised the safe wasn't bolted if he wasn't gonna be there a lot. I'm not blaming him, but like said, you really gotta cover your ass and think.
Where I grew up, there were plenty of camps around me. I ran across them plenty of times while traipsing around. Once you figure out a person's habits, it's easy to do what you want.
I'm definitely surprised the safe wasn't bolted if he wasn't gonna be there a lot. I'm not blaming him, but like said, you really gotta cover your ass and think.
I agree, not wise on his part, BUT, he still was the victim of a thief. If someone kept an eye on any of us, they would be able to pretty much nail when we were not at home. If they then broke into your house and stole all of your shit, except your guns, would that make you anything different of a victim. I'm not saying he made a smart decision, but it was his stuff, and NO ONE had the right to steal it. No different than if all they found was his t.v., radio, 4 wheeler, and beer! A victim of a burglary, or robbery is still the victim., no matter where it happened, or what was stolen.
I get the whole "now his guns are on the street"! Having said that, if the fucking system worked, when they catch the fuckers with a stolen gun, and locked their asses up with the maximum sentence allowed, maybe we wouldn't have to have this debate.
I get the whole "now his guns are on the street"! Having said that, if the fucking system worked, when they catch the fuckers with a stolen gun, and locked their asses up with the maximum sentence allowed, maybe we wouldn't have to have this debate.
We don’t leave anything valuable at my uncle’s cabin beyond the appliances/tv which we can’t reasonably move every time we are there. Thankfully he his only close neighbor is directly across the street and lives there full time. While that probably affords us some extra security, we still take precautions, especially with guns. I wouldn’t dream of leaving a gun up there, no need to anyway.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Like your 2 or 3 rifles are so heavy and large that they can't fit in your car trunk or pickup. The victim is a victim. That is correct. But he is a victim because he let himself be. That makes him a stupid victim.
subsonic
.44 mag
Maybe I am missing some hidden sarcasm but these were not "nice guys." And they are not hunters, they are poachers.
And it sounds like you just let them go after catching them red-handed, which if so makes you part of the problem. Turn them in (ideal world) or dispense some street justice (poor choice where guns are involved).
Ummmmm nope.
Poachers illegally kill animals for profit without a hunting licence.
These guys were tresspassing.
Also, if you have spent any time on this site, you would know how hard I have fought to keep people from hunting on my property.
First of all, I have 630 acres to manage.
Second, have you ever called the authorities on "poachers" or people hunting illegally?
You will berefered to the NYS DEC.
If you let them on your property to investigate crimes, good luck getting rid of them.
I ended up in a 2 year fight because the DEC came to investigate.
They accused me of diverting a NYS waterway so my cattle could drink.
The water was diverted by beavers, not me.
Our cattle have 8 ponds and 3 troughs for water. They NEVER drink from the "diverted" creek.
Thennnnnn, for 2+ years I kept coming across random DEC officers tresspassing on my property.
They claimed they were "investigating a reported poaching crime"....almost 3 years after my report.
Once you make a report of poaching, they can "investigate" indefinitely.
Anyways, a couple of guys that wandered 100 feet off stateland and broke into a cabin isnt the crime of the century.
There was no cell phone reception, so, I would have to hold 2 guys at gunpoint and walk them out of the woods, then search for cell service. Remember, they both hadguns too.
So, I politely told them they were tresspassing and if they come back, they will be treated as aggressors.
I will add.....
15 years ago we had ALOT of problems with tresspassing, poaching and illegal hunting.
Now, none at all.
Being proactive does not need to be violent or does it call for the DEC.
The local sheriff is your friend.
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Have you ever thought of leasing some of that land?
Im trying to sell it all right now.
I do "lease" to a couple friends.
They are part of my non-violent anti poaching effort.
subsonic
.44 mag
Well good for you for solving your own problems then, seriously.
I still say they're poachers. If land is posted it's illegal to hunt it, in New York, and the right to hunt the deer belongs to you and those you license.
If it wasn't posted then yeah they just broke in your cabin without permission and ate your beans.
That said since they suffered no real consequences it seems likely they are someone else's poaching and trespassing problem now.
That's a fair point and a real dilemma. Truth is any law enforcement can come poke around on your property to "investigate" for no reason at all at any time with no report. That can include your sheriff, DEC, state police, town code inspector. It's called the "open fields" doctrine and it's the law of the land. They just can't come into your curtilage (fences around structures).
The only real limitation is politics and motivation/resources. The sheriff may be your friend and the DEC may be your bugbear, but for someone else it could be the other way around. Some folks don't appreciate any law enforcement ever.
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Everyones experience is different, agreed.
However, poaching and hunting on posted property are completely different things.
Poaching is illegally hunting, you can poach on your own private land. Its hunting without a permit or licence, or hunting endangered or protected species.
Someone caught on posted land while having a legal hunting licence will not be charged with poaching, they will be charged with tresspassing.
Ive been through all this with the DEC and sheriff.
My point about the DEC vs sheriff was that ALOT of people have had these same issues with the DEC.
The DEC is hell bent to catch illegal hunters and poachers at all cost.
The local sheriff just wants to solve your current problem.
If you tell the DEC someone is poaching on your property, your land is added to a hot spot to be constantly patrolled.
The sheriff comes out and looks for the bad guys, then does not come back until called.
They both have the power to stop the crime but the DEC sees your property as an ongoing crime scene.
It actually took a court order for the DEC to keep cameras off our property.
For over 2 years they had cameras running 24 hours a day in multiple areas.
They caught nobody.
When I called the DEC they showed up 4 hours latter.
The sheriff came within a half hour and arrested 3 guys hunting deer in February on our property.
Damn Amish
On a side note.......
Your property does not need to be posted for someone to be arrested for tresspassing.
The law sees posted and non-posted land the same.
If its not your land and you dont have permission, you are tresspassing.
Your property does not need to be posted for someone to be arrested for tresspassing.
The law sees posted and non-posted land the same.
If its not your land and you dont have permission, you are tresspassing.
Also, the oddsthat any law enforcement will walk around your private property are almost nill, unless called.
You are correct that they CAN snoop around but they must have a reason for doing so.
They cannot just look around because they want to.
An injured animal, illegal activity, inspecting waterways.......etc are some reasons they can enter your property but they cannot just to "look around".
You are correct that they CAN snoop around but they must have a reason for doing so.
They cannot just look around because they want to.
An injured animal, illegal activity, inspecting waterways.......etc are some reasons they can enter your property but they cannot just to "look around".
subsonic
.44 mag
I'm gonna be that "well actually" guy here.
It doesn't often come up, but it's not trespassing, or at least a defense to criminal trespassing, on "unimproved and apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders,'" unless the prosecution can show that notice against trespass was personally communicated to the intruder by the owner of such land or other authorized person, or unless such notice was given by posting in a conspicuous manner."
PEOPLE v. BASCH | 36 N.Y.2d 154 (1975) | ny2d1541169 | Leagle.com
In other words, if the land isn't posted, hasn't been posted for a year, you've never been told to leave or not enter, the land isn't fenced, and it's apparently "unused," then you could be OK. That could apply to unposted woodland boundaries, for instance. Still, it's always a bad idea, because if you don't have permission you could run into trouble anyway.
It is also a DEC violation (illegal!) and hence poaching to hunt posted land without permission. You can lose your license for that; any game taken would be forfeited, and removing or possessing it is also illegal.
Land is considered posted for one year from when signs are placed even if the signs are no longer present (by trespassers, weather, animals etc).