NYC violates civil rights and forces vaccinations

[Saltwater60]

Measles outbreak: New York City orders mandatory vaccines for parts of Brooklyn

If you agree with anti-vaxers or not this is scary. Last week they tried saying they could be in public and that was declared unconstitutional now this. DeBlasio is insane.

 

[spat]

The city can't legally physically force someone to get a vaccination, but those who have not received the MMR vaccine or do not have evidence of immunity may be given a violation and could be fined $1,000.

So, they admit they don't have the legal authority to order this, but they are going to anyway ?

Are they going to try some Obamacaresque argument that it's not a fine, it's a tax on being unvaccinated ?

Look, I think that anti-vaxxers are seriously mistaken. They may even be a public danger, but I also believe in their right to believe what they will.

If we don't stand up to tyranny when it happens to people we consider mistaken, or wrongheaded, then there will be nobody left to stand up for us.

 

[C3D]

Not vaccinating is only a right in the home and not anywhere else.

 

[spat]

Not vaccinating is only a right in the home and not anywhere else.

I have to disagree.

Just because it's in the public interest to compel these people to get vaccinated, doesn't mean the public has a right to demand it.
Imagine how many ways your argument could be abused.

 

[Airborneguy]

The vaccination issue is a good example of how modern society does require litigation to answer modern questions. It's without question that there are aspects of the modern world which couldn't be imagined at the time of the nation's founding. It's easy to cry freedom, but the world is about 8 times more populated than back then and disease was rampant and mostly untreatable. Didn't George Washington, the most powerful man in the country and one of the most respected ever die of a fever?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Didn't George Washington, the most powerful man in the country and one of the most respected ever die of a fever?

I once read somewhere that a good diet and exercise is all that's ever needed to fight off these diseases.

I can't remember where though.

 

[Uzi]

I once read somewhere that a good diet and exercise is all that's ever needed to fight off these diseases.

I can't remember where though.

How preposterous! Is that silly idea supposed to be taken into consideration for better health which would equate to a properly responsive immune system? Ha! people these days, coming up with such far fetched theories.

 

[Toecutter]

I don't know the answer to this but I know forcing people to take a substance they don't want is not the answer. You live in a congested city you are opening yourself up to contagens and other undisireable events. This is a choice. Forcing vaccs on people is not. How does fining them do anything but line pockets of a corrupt city? I don't know th answer, I do know that I would be vaccinated .

 

[@thewheels]

285 cases in a population of over 2.6 million people is a public health emergency?

That falls well within the effective percentage rate of the fucking vaccine.
Fuck the statist mayor and his illegal fines.

The hypocrisy on display is retarded. Some reporter should ask Dickblasio if a women has the right to choose what she does with her body in regards to vaccinations.

 

[masterswimmer]

Honest question here.

If some people don't believe in vaccinating themselves or their children, and these people are actually in an extreme minority where for arguments sake 99.9% are vaccinated, how can this be a health crisis? If the vaccination is as effective as they claim (I believe it is) then wouldn't the 99.9% who are vaccinated have no concern for their health since they are in fact already vaccinated and consequently immune to the disease?

The health scare among those who are vaccinated seems like unfounded circular logic.

Am I wrong? Please explain.

 

[Bob]

Didn't a judge smack down a similar order in Rockland just five days ago?

"Judge says THAT county's order was illegal, so I'll go and do the same thing." What the fuck, Warren?

 

[GOPerfect]

Bring them all in like cattle and stick them all with whatever meds the .gov says.

 

[pjzwtl]

Bring them all in like cattle and stick them all with whatever meds the .gov says.

Because I know you’re being sarcastic I say toss in the biometric implant as well.

 

[Robin]

It is wrong for the government to make us bend over for any reason. I truly believe, without vaccinations, a good number of us would not be here to comment.
Robin

 

[Jsmegs77]

Bring them all in like cattle and stick them all with whatever meds the .gov says.

Join the military, and that’s about the exact scenario, or so says my Army wife.


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[GOPerfect]

Join the military, and that’s about the exact scenario, or so says my Army wife.


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I received so many shots throughout my two decades, can't even wrap my head around all they shot me with. Line after line after line.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It is wrong for the government to make us bend over for any reason. I truly believe, without vaccinations, a good number of us would not be here to comment.
Robin

Yep. Catch 22. There is no real solution to it. No vaccinations equals massive deaths. Forced vaccinations equals violations of rights.

 

[Robin]

I received so many shots throughout my two decades, can't even wrap my head around all they shot me with. Line after line after line.

Yeah, I think i had more antibody's than blood cells.
robin

 

[pjzwtl]

Yep. Catch 22. There is no real solution to it. No vaccinations equals massive deaths. Forced vaccinations equals violations of rights.

Yet if you were vaccinated why worry? I don’t really have a strong opinion either way on this subject but if the vast majority of the population is vaccinated is there really a public threat?

 

[MothMan]

I know the vaccine against the Bubonic plague is effective. I was vaccinated against it in 1971, thank you USAF, and to this date I have never suffered from that disease.

This is a good read. Another example of NYC flexing its public health muscle.

The Frightening Legacy of Typhoid Mary | History | Smithsonian

 

[Saltwater60]

Not vaccinating is only a right in the home and not anywhere else.

Then so are your gun rights.

 

[Saltwater60]

Honest question here.

If some people don't believe in vaccinating themselves or their children, and these people are actually in an extreme minority where for arguments sake 99.9% are vaccinated, how can this be a health crisis? If the vaccination is as effective as they claim (I believe it is) then wouldn't the 99.9% who are vaccinated have no concern for their health since they are in fact already vaccinated and consequently immune to the disease?

The health scare among those who are vaccinated seems like unfounded circular logic.

Am I wrong? Please explain.

I think your point is valid and the only argument I have is there are some people for health reasons that can’t get the vaccine.
Again I don’t think anyone should be forced to do anything they are uncomfortable with.

 

[Acer-m14]

surprise they just didn't add it the water like fluoride

 

[C3D]

Then so are your gun rights.

That was my point but I guess the subtlety was too obscure.

 

[Bob]

That was my point but I guess the subtlety was too obscure.

Ah. I see the problem. You didn't use the "subtle" font when you crafted your message. The selection for 'subtle' is right next to the selection for 'sarcasm'

 

[Dr. Evil]

I once read somewhere that a good diet and exercise is all that's ever needed to fight off these diseases.

I can't remember where though.

1. You do like to stir the pot lol.
2. We all know you are referring to me. Problem is I didn't say that and you know it. I've mentioned that there is more to it than just diet and exercise. You remind me of the MSM from time to time.
3. Seriously, it's getting old. Time for some new material. BTW, I'm sure there's a drug you can take to help you with that recurring memory problem. Might even have a vaccine for that very issue. My memory is pretty good though and I seem to remember me writing this, "I was referring to you talking about measles, chickenpox, etc.. You know, the low grade diseases the government is creating panic and fear over" and your response being this, "I agree with you there."

 

[jimc]

Doesn't sound like vaccinating after exposure is all that useful. From the CDC:

"If you get MMR vaccine within 72 hours of initially being exposed to measles, you may get some protection against the disease, or have milder illness."

MMR Vaccination | What You Should Know | Measles, Mumps, Rubella | CDC

 

[Dr. Evil]

Honest question here.

If some people don't believe in vaccinating themselves or their children, and these people are actually in an extreme minority where for arguments sake 99.9% are vaccinated, how can this be a health crisis? If the vaccination is as effective as they claim (I believe it is) then wouldn't the 99.9% who are vaccinated have no concern for their health since they are in fact already vaccinated and consequently immune to the disease?

The health scare among those who are vaccinated seems like unfounded circular logic.

Am I wrong? Please explain.

I do believe with others that this probably will never be agreed upon.

- Politicians use fear and emotion to pass gun/vaccine laws.
- Nothing is 100%. There will always be people hurt/killed or who die from illness (usually an underlying immune issue to begin with).
- Laws are passed with the intent to have not one more innocent killing or death.
- There are those that believe not having access to firearms and being vaccinated can negatively influence their safety/health.
- There are those that believe guns in society/not vaccinating can negatively influence their safety/health.
- There are proactive things people can do to increase their safety and the odds of not getting disease.
- In a free society we accept that there will be people who sadly die as an indirect or direct result of our freedom.
- Pro gun/vaccine people point to innocent lives saved due to firearms/vaccines. Anti gun/pro vaccine choice people point to innocent lives harmed by firearms/vaccines.
- Information from very smart well intention-ed/ill intention-ed people can be found arguing the need for gun/vaccine laws as well as gun rights/vaccine choice.

 

[Marine Cpl]

1. You do like to stir the pot lol.
2. We all know you are referring to me. Problem is I didn't say that and you know it. I've mentioned that there is more to it than just diet and exercise. You remind me of the MSM from time to time.
3. Seriously, it's getting old. Time for some new material. BTW, I'm sure there's a drug you can take to help you with that recurring memory problem. Might even have a vaccine for that very issue. My memory is pretty good though and I seem to remember me writing this, "I was referring to you talking about measles, chickenpox, etc.. You know, the low grade diseases the government is creating panic and fear over" and your response being this, "I agree with you there."

I once heard that with.... damn. I can't remember anymore.

 

[C3D]

A SHORT HISTORY OF MEDICAL TREATMENT OF MEASLES:
[measles]
2000 B.C. - "Here, eat this root."
1000 B.C. - "That root is heathen, say this prayer."
1800 A.D. - "That prayer is superstition, drink this potion."
1900 A.D. - "That potion is just opium, readjust your spine."
1940 A.D. - "That spinal adjustment is snake oil, get this vaccination."
[/measles]
2019 A.D. - "That vaccination causes autism. Here, eat this root!"
[measles]