Another good guy with a gun story you won't see in the propoganda broadcasts.

[Doc8404]

I periodically encounter open carriers in the local Walmart. No ruckus is raised (could describe the ruckus?) I very occasionally open carry and no one pays me any mind.

Yes but you’re not in NY

 

[Marine Cpl]

I guess it all depends on the situation and how you perceive it. We weren’t there. We don’t know if the firefighter in his eyes saw things differently. We do not know how he was carrying the weapon. We do not know if the wearing of body armor played a part in how he reacted. Not too many open carriers wear body armor in Walmart. What we do know is that he didn’t shoot him and was smart enough to wait for police sort it out rather then take it upon himself to fire.

The body armor would definitely raise red flags for me and tell me that something wasn’t right and this wasn’t the average open carrier going about his business like a regular joe just open carrying a 1911.

 

[Podmonkey]

Yes but you’re not in NY

I suspect that were open carry legal in NY the situation would be similar.

 

[Podmonkey]

I guess it all depends on the situation and how you perceive it. We weren’t there. We don’t know if the firefighter in his eyes saw things differently. We do not know how he was carrying the weapon. We do not know if the wearing of body armor played a part in how he reacted. Not too many open carriers wear body armor in Walmart. What we do know is that he didn’t shoot him and was smart enough to wait for police sort it out rather then take it upon himself to fire.

The body armor would definitely raise red flags for me and tell me that something wasn’t right and this wasn’t the average open carrier going about his business like a regular joe just open carrying a 1911.

The criteria is pretty simple. Rifle slung, hands off = not an immediate threat. Keep an eye out.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The criteria is pretty simple. Rifle slung, hands off = not an immediate threat. Keep an eye out.

And what If it’s slung in front of him? Even if slung on his back, at the blink of an eye, things can go badly since you do not know his intentions. All you know is that somebody days after a mass shooting at a Walmart is in there wearing body armor and carrying what appears to be a loaded rifle in contrast to normal people carrying a handgun on their belt with no body armor or not open carrying at all due to the recent circumstances.

Also because he left, it doesn’t mean evil intentions aren’t there. Maybe after the alarm was pulled and everyone was leaving, he left too because the police weren’t too far behind. Maybe he wanted to pass on this one and do another one something else where an alarm wasn’t pulled.

This wasn’t the average open carrier and we all know that. No sensible open carrier will put his life on the line in a place wearing body armor and carrying a rifle just days after a mass shooting and people are on edge. No smart one anyway.

 

[BDinPutnam]

"Reasonable" is baked into a whole lot of our laws for a reason.

 

[BMF JK]

I just hope this event doesn’t inspire every dip shit to be “ the good guy with a gun “ whenever they notice someone is carrying open or concealed.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I just hope this event doesn’t inspire every dip shit to be “ the good guy with a gun “ whenever they notice someone is carrying open or concealed.

I don’t think it will. Most people that can open carry do so with a pistol in a proper holster wearing normal clothes rather than wearing body armor with a rifle. You can pretty much tell who’s normal and who’s a quack just by their actions alone if you are a gun owner. I’ve seen people print when concealing and their actions and demeanor alone tell me a lot.

 

[Darth]

No. That’s only Darth that thinks that. He ain’t average.

It's part of the uniform.

 

[Podmonkey]

And what If it’s slung in front of him? Even if slung on his back, at the blink of an eye, things can go badly since you do not know his intentions. All you know is that somebody days after a mass shooting at a Walmart is in there wearing body armor and carrying what appears to be a loaded rifle in contrast to normal people carrying a handgun on their belt with no body armor or not open carrying at all due to the recent circumstances.

Also because he left, it doesn’t mean evil intentions aren’t there. Maybe after the alarm was pulled and everyone was leaving, he left too because the police weren’t too far behind. Maybe he wanted to pass on this one and do another one something else where an alarm wasn’t pulled.

This wasn’t the average open carrier and we all know that. No sensible open carrier will put his life on the line in a place wearing body armor and carrying a rifle just days after a mass shooting and people are on edge. No smart one anyway.

Fuck "people are on edge". People are on edge because they are stupid, weak, lazy sheep.
They guy was said to be pushing a cart around and videoing himself. If I saw that I would know that it was some 2A Audit/open carry advocacy thing. I wouldn't do such a thing but people have the right to.
We need to inject a little Saprtan attitude into our society, the weak are forfeit, the strong must survive.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don’t think anyone here is questioning his right. What they are questioning is his stupidity. I have a right to to do the same in a bank with a ski mask on but I would be stupid to do so if I valued my safety.

Kind of like it would be stupid of me to open carry in a normal holster on a crowded city bus in Philly nut to butt with a bunch of yo yos in a bad part of town.

 

[Podmonkey]

I don’t think anyone here is questioning his right. What they are questioning is his stupidity. I have a right to to do the same in a bank with a ski mask on but I would be stupid to do so if I valued my safety.

We have to get beyond this scaredy little bitch faze I'm saying. I think back in the day a man might confront and ask
"The hell are you up too?"
Before drawing a pistol.
Nothing wrong with that. I don't especially have a problem with cops politely doing the same.

 

[Marine Cpl]

We have to get beyond this scaredy little bitch faze I'm saying. I think back in the day a man might confront and ask
"The hell are you up too?"
Before drawing a pistol.
Nothing wrong with that. I don't especially have a problem with cops politely doing the same.

I agree. But back then when did you ever see mass shootings and guys walking around with armor on?

It’s legal to carry unholstered in your hand too but not very many people do that for reasons.

 

[Podmonkey]

I agree. But back then when did you ever see mass shootings and guys walking around with armor on?

It’s legal to carry upholstered in your hand buy not very many people do that for reasons.

Mass killings by frenzied individuals have been a thing since the dawn of humanity. It only seems more prevalent now because of the relentless 24hr for profit news cycle.

 

[spat]

Then the firefighter and or the dude would be fucked. No different than any one of us who did the same on the street for any reason.

Someone draws a weapon and points it at you, I think you're in reasonable fear for your life.

Firefighter should have maneuvered behind the guy, kept a reasonable distance but not unholstered his weapon unless the guy made a move to unsling the rifle.

If you are behind him where he can't see you, you will have plenty of time to draw and fire before he can get you if the need arises.

Pointing a gun at someone is a direct threat to kill them, and they are entitled to respond in kind.

Ironically in this situation, I don't think the firefighter was within his rights to draw on the guy, but once he did, the open carrier would have been within his to shoot him (leaving the foolishness of trying aside)

 

[Marine Cpl]

The Latest: Armed man arrested at Missouri Walmart charged - KNBN NewsCenter1

Prosecutors have charged a 20-year-old man with making a terrorist threat in the second degree by causing a panic at a Walmart store in Springfield, Missouri.

A probable cause statement released Friday says Dmitriy Andreychenko recorded himself as he walked in the store carrying an “AR style rifle” slung across his chest and wearing a ballistic vest. He also had a handgun on his right hip.

 

[Marine Cpl]

According to Missouri law, making a terroristic threat is committing “the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly.”

 

[dsdmmat]

According to Missouri law, making a terroristic threat is committing “the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly.”

The way that is written allows anyone to be charged for numerous reasons. Carrying a pistol? someone gets scared and causes a panic, bam you made a terrorist threat. Wonder if the charges will actually stand up in court, since he was legally carrying and no reports of him making a verbal or physical threat have surfaced.

 

[BMF JK]

According to Missouri law, making a terroristic threat is committing “the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly.”

I can see how this would apply had he been the one to pull the fire alarm or had he blasted a few rounds into the ceiling.

 

[BDinPutnam]

There are some things well within your rights to do that are in poor taste.

There are some thing well within your rights to do that will get you (or someone else, or both) downright dead.

This seems like the Venn Diagram of the scenarios I've outlined.

 

[repete]

And what If .

What if this and what if that! we could go on for ever with "what if".

 

[dsdmmat]

There are some things well within your rights to do that are in poor taste.

There are some thing well within your rights to do that will get you (or someone else, or both) downright dead.

This seems like the Venn Diagram of the scenarios I've outlined.

Having poor taste or not being the brightest bulb in the string is not illegal......yet.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Having poor taste or not being the brightest bulb in the string is not illegal......yet.

Who's talking about the law?

I was talking about Darwinism. And not being "that guy".

 

[dsdmmat]

Who's talking about the law?

I was talking about Darwinism. And not being "that guy".

Yeah unfortunately the one who gives the dim bulb exercising his right to be stupid in public his Darwin prize will end up being the guy who gets F’d in the end.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What if this and what if that! we could go on for ever with "what if".

Or we could go with “What did happen.”

And what did happen is that some idiot dressed like this went into a Walmart after a mass shooting dressed just like the mass shooter and almost got himself killed.

Not illegal but not the brightest. It’s not illegal for me to go to the streets of Brooklyn yelling “Go back to Jamaica!” but if I did so, I can get myself killed.

 

[BDinPutnam]

@Willjr75 is correct. Telling Brooklynites to move to Queens is a bridge too far.

(Sorry just needed a small bit of levity)

 

[BMF JK]

Dmitriy Andreychenko ... hmmmm sounds a bit Russian to me . This is sooooooo Trumps fault !