Really? So that whole Molotov-Ribbentrop pact had nothing to do with it? The Germans and Russians were allies and the Poles did not welcome them. Your view of history is.....curious to say the least.
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Really? So that whole Molotov-Ribbentrop pact had nothing to do with it? The Germans and Russians were allies and the Poles did not welcome them. Your view of history is.....curious to say the least.
I am giving you the facts there were no battles between Polish and Russian forces, welcomed or not. Poland also signed non-aggression pact with Germany and on the same day Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland annexed Czech territory (Eastern Silesia). Allies?
SigLady
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Below are stats on dead Russian journalists, opposing politicians, and, for good measure, we gotta include the body count of political opposition and minorities in Ukraine (cause that's all "Puter", too.)
Russian Journalist Murdered
Does Vladimir Putin kill journalists?
...and for good measure, a piece from the Wall Street Journal (in case anyone is hesitant to believe CBS-- "Hillary who?")
The Putin Body Count
Lookit, Mos... I'm really not interested in arguing with you. Really. I do respect you. I respect this forum. And I don't want to fight. I'm presenting my (and my family's) first hand experience with the Russian gov't so that people have another point of view to consider outside what is fed to us by the MSM... primarily because I think people who have experienced that kind of crap have some sort of obligation to warn other people, but more so because of our country's near miss in November with the RMS Hillary. And we owe her a debt of gratitude though because if it weren't for her shenanigans during the primaries, we could well be facing a Bernie presidency. Again... a near miss with socialism.
That's all. If you want to believe despite all the information presented that Puter's awesome and that he's not a dictator, and that his intentions are noble, then have at it. Truly. God bless you.
I'm all about sharing opposing views, and a little fun verbal sparing, and hashing stuff out in a productive manner but when the discussion turns into"who's right" I lose interest.
So that's where I am. I know it's hard to judge someone's tone from the internet, but I'm being sincere.
That's it. Over and out.
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Baltic states declared their independence in 1918, after the 1917 revolution. They were a part of Russia pre-1917. You can't even get easily verifiable facts straight.
Your post is full of inaccuracies and gross exaggerations.
Germany declared war on the United States in 1941, but we opened up a second front in Europe in 1944 when the fate of Nazi Germany was already sealed. The war in Europe was won on the backs of Russian people. BTW, most of the battles that Russians won weren't in the winter.
You are not even aware that Putin won several elections. Russian Federation is still obligated by all treaties made by the Soviet Union and vise versa.
Russophobic propaganda preached to the chorus is hardly an accurate narrative. When Russians debate these subjects with our journalists, they win every time.
SigLady
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Who's talking about Russian battles? I was talking specifically about Hitler's invasion of Russia-- which ended in December of 1941. And part of the reason why it ended is because Hitler's army wasn't prepared to fight in the wicked Russian winters.
"Hardly an accurate narrative?" Are you for REAL? Whatever, Mos. I'm wrong, you're right. I have NO IDEA what I'm talking about and you do because you've lived under Russian rule and experienced the Russian "democratic" elections (big deal- Puter beat a Communist... what a tough choice for the Russian voters. Even they can't easily forget 70 years of Communism and what a complete crap show that was.)
There are hundreds of thousands of people who defected from Russia and Russian influenced countries like rats from a sinking ship. Go talk to them. Go take a trip to NYC or Baltimore or Chicago and talk to the Russian and Czech and whatever variety of former Soviet block immigrants that live there. Ask them about the beauty of Soviet style governing and what they think if Putin. Don't take my word for it... you know, since I'm just preaching to the choir.
The Soviet Union is dead and buried, and Herr Putin is trying to resurrect it. They have no grounds to tell sovereign states whether or not they can join NATO. It's none of their business. The Czechs joined NATO because they were afraid of future threats from Russia and that's looking like a pretty accurate assessment given the current politics.
LOL. Yeah- the Russian journalists win every time because they're smarter than Katie Couric. That's a tough win.
Read the above post, Mos. I'm done. I hope that you and Puter are very happy with each other.
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We will have to agree to disagree on Russia and Putin. I apologize if this exchange crossed any lines. My family also suffered from communist policies, but history is complex and all things have to be considered.
SigLady
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Agreed. We'll agree to disagree.
Jmac00
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I also think we are arguing over complete bullshit about Russia and Germany and WWII. The issue is Muslims, period.
Lets get back to the topic at hand. MUSLIMS! This crap is starting here. The "progressives" are calling anyone that doesn't agree that we should let millions (not hundreds of thousands---but millions) of Muslims in America racist. Great, now I'm a deplorable racist. I wear that badge proudly. But they Progressives are doing the exact same thing Merkle is doing. The german liberals are literally throwing their country away. The politicians see themselves as so superior to the common citizen they believe they must be sensitive to radical Muslims in order to create that One World Order (OWO).
To be honest, thats where this is headed. The problem is, the OWO is run by Muslims and Sharia law. Not the natural laws of man.
Not to be a dick, but the people that must take point on this issue is American women. They are the ones that will suffer the most. They will be the ones being controlled. They are the ones that will be forcibly raped and not be able to do anything about it, there will be no repercussions for the criminal ~~~My bad, they won't be criminals because you women brought this on yourselves.
There are two things I am very sure of:
1) a war is coming. In the next 5 to 10 years or so, Europe will be in a civil war. Anyone want to take a guess as to who they will call for help.
2) I don't have enough ammo, powder, cases or bullets.
Lets get back to the topic at hand. MUSLIMS! This crap is starting here. The "progressives" are calling anyone that doesn't agree that we should let millions (not hundreds of thousands---but millions) of Muslims in America racist. Great, now I'm a deplorable racist. I wear that badge proudly. But they Progressives are doing the exact same thing Merkle is doing. The german liberals are literally throwing their country away. The politicians see themselves as so superior to the common citizen they believe they must be sensitive to radical Muslims in order to create that One World Order (OWO).
To be honest, thats where this is headed. The problem is, the OWO is run by Muslims and Sharia law. Not the natural laws of man.
Not to be a dick, but the people that must take point on this issue is American women. They are the ones that will suffer the most. They will be the ones being controlled. They are the ones that will be forcibly raped and not be able to do anything about it, there will be no repercussions for the criminal ~~~My bad, they won't be criminals because you women brought this on yourselves.
There are two things I am very sure of:
1) a war is coming. In the next 5 to 10 years or so, Europe will be in a civil war. Anyone want to take a guess as to who they will call for help.
2) I don't have enough ammo, powder, cases or bullets.
SigLady
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Eh? What's that about Muslims? (@Mosinitis and I are drinking heavily over here.... )
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SigLady
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The women in Sweden (I think?) have taken a good stance on this. The Swedish gov't issued a warning to all Swedish women after a series of immigrant related rapes occurred. The gov't told them to not leave the house alone (or without a male escort) or to travel in groups for safety. Sweden has been a hub of sexual freedom since the 1060s and they didn't take too kindly to that. The Swedish women told the gov't that it's not their (the women's) problem but the gov't's problem. That the gov't is the one who let these people into the country and they're the ones who need to figure it out.
*Shrug*
Jmac00
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I have a couple of customers that are from Sweden. They use to go back every year to visit family. This year they stayed here because it's getting to dangerous for women to walk down the street. No women go out after dark without an escort, preferably two male family members.
Sweden is now the rape capital of the world. Over 90% of rapes are committed by immigrants of Muslim descent. The Swedish Tourism board doesn't want anyone to know about this because it will impact their trade, Obviously!
Sweden is now the rape capital of the world. Over 90% of rapes are committed by immigrants of Muslim descent. The Swedish Tourism board doesn't want anyone to know about this because it will impact their trade, Obviously!
SigLady
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It's a sad state of things. The Europeans are so anti-gun, though... what do you do? I think that would be the answer in this country. More women would have to start carrying. If the police can't (or won't) protect you, you need to protect yourself. And thanks to all this feminists propaganda, a lot of the men are being conditioned to NOT protect women. These nutzo feminists are doing it to themselves. I say deport them. They should be within their legal rights to do so. This is untenable.
Maybe word needs to get out, no? First of all, to warn toursists. And second of all, if it starts to affect their bottom line maybe they'll have more of a "non-race related" reason to start handling the situation.
The greatest and most missed irony here, is of all the groups and causes to push, the progressives are hell bent on pushing the Muslim agenda.
They miss the irony that their one pet project will devour EVERY other cause they Have ever pushed for or stood for.
If a leftist ever says that they are against conservative principles but are pro Muslim just laugh at their extreme ignorance.
They miss the irony that their one pet project will devour EVERY other cause they Have ever pushed for or stood for.
If a leftist ever says that they are against conservative principles but are pro Muslim just laugh at their extreme ignorance.
Blimey
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Russians are tough as hell and I respect and fear them for it.
Putin is definitely a nasty piece of work however and Russia has zero press freedom and is not a democratic nation in any capacity, as freedom of the press is a prerequisite for such a status and Russia does not have that.
Putin is definitely a nasty piece of work however and Russia has zero press freedom and is not a democratic nation in any capacity, as freedom of the press is a prerequisite for such a status and Russia does not have that.
People get their news from the internet these days and Russians have the same access to the same information we have. Their state owned media is more informative than our "independent" media. Our government positions on various topics are debated in their media, while their government positions are being sidelined in ours.
To see what is really going on in the world many Americans turn to RT (Russia Today) as well as other foreign sources.
Their State owned media is more informative than our independent media? I don't give much respect to our mainstream media. But that statement is ridiculous. state owned media by definition is propaganda, regardless of who does it.
Yes, propaganda just like ours, but they manage to keep it more factual and accurate than ours and they don't hide their bias. They are competing with our "independent media" and there is plenty of it in Russian language. Internet is a game changer in a number of ways.
They still have independent media, they put some restrictions on it, but it exists.
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Catskillkid
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This above all else I will never understand. The majority of Muslim immigrants aren't exactly paragons of enlightened liberal thinking. They also don't exactly practice gender equality either.
Catskillkid
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And for those afraid that Donald Trump will persecute gays remember it's ISIS throwing homosexuals off of rooftops.
Here's this gem from Germany's Merkel
Angela Merkel calls for countrywide, full-face veil ban in Germany
A little too late, she's trying to save her career.
Angela Merkel calls for countrywide, full-face veil ban in Germany
A little too late, she's trying to save her career.
SigLady
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She's running for reelection-did you read that? Can you believe it?
She said she thought long and hard about it but that she's ready to serve her country in a 4th term. Whoa there, Angie! Don't hurt yourself with all that mental straining.
And then, hasn't she "served" enough?
Jmac00
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This is why things rarely change in Europe. And if this isn't proof that politicians all over the world are the same, nothing is. Election time, people hate me, change my position just far enough to get re-elected, then go right back to the same old shit.
Here's a thought: commit a crime against the host country, boom, your entire family (all of them from great grandad to the newest born) get deported back to where ever you came from.
And i would put these people on the biggest piece of crap vessel/bus/plane I could find.
Here's a thought: commit a crime against the host country, boom, your entire family (all of them from great grandad to the newest born) get deported back to where ever you came from.
And i would put these people on the biggest piece of crap vessel/bus/plane I could find.
SigLady
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It was on the Czech news that many of these migrants were paid to leave. The journalist asked them why they're here (ergh... there) and a few people responded that they were given 8K (in USD) and told to go. It's the USD that is interesting to me. It was a TV interview... i wonder if I could find it in print somewhere...?
Robin
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And some wonder where trillions of unaccounted dollars have gone. Hell, he flies them in here.
Robin
Robin
Whiskey tango foxtrot man.
I just read that article and it's ridiculous.
At my previous job I corresponded with collegues in our German office. A few of the people I talked with enough where I built up a pretty good relationship. I wish I kept in contact because I would love to know what they thought of what was going on to their country.
Madness. Literally trying to destroy their own country.
Catskillkid
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This really makes me sick. Germany, France, Sweden and other countries are sacrificing their native born populations on the alter of political correctness. You know, every other ethnic and racial group is protected and supposed to be "celebrated" except Whites. Why is this ok? Any form of ethnic cleansing is wrong. It's almost as if Europe is now in a suicide pact and its people are either too stupid or too brainwashed to care. Look for beatings and rapes to skyrocket in the coming months and years.
I thank God everyday that my great-grandfather had the forethought to get out of Germany when he had the chance. Within a generation or two (maybe less) Europe will be unrecognizable and along with it all the scientific, political, economic and cultural contributions that it has brought to the world.
I thank God everyday that my great-grandfather had the forethought to get out of Germany when he had the chance. Within a generation or two (maybe less) Europe will be unrecognizable and along with it all the scientific, political, economic and cultural contributions that it has brought to the world.
Europe 180: It’s Illegal to Criticize Islam, but okay for Muslims to Rape, Riot and Slaughter
This can never be allowed to take hold over here.
This can never be allowed to take hold over here.
Catskillkid
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It already has. They're pushing hate speech laws at every turn. 1st Amendment be damned.