1/20/20 Virginia 2nd Amendment Rally discussion (merged thread)

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LOBBY DAY LOGISTICS & IMPORTANT INFORMATIONHere are several things you need to know if coming to the VCDL Lobby Day on January 20th.

PARKING: If you are coming by car, there will be a satellite parking area at the Diamond located at 3001 N Arthur Ashe Blvd, Richmond, VA 23230. The entrance to the parking lot is round the corner on Robin Hood Road. VCDL will be running shuttle buses from the Diamond to 9th and Broad Streets from 7:00 am to 3:00 pm. Shuttle bus and parking are free, but if you want to make a donation to help cover the cost you can donate online by going to vcdl.org/donate. Street parking and local private garages will fill up quickly and we are trying to keep the traffic congestion around the area as low as possible.

HANDICAP DROP OFF: There will be an area on E. Marshall Street between 8th and 9th for handicap drop-off and pick-up. This will also be the location where the shuttle buses from the Diamond parking lot will load and unload. It is a 5 block walk to the point where the lines will form to enter the building and about 3-4 blocks to the entrance to Capitol Square. This is the closest that the Richmond Police Department (RPD) can get us. Also, please be advised that there will be no special entry line into the building for disabled people. The Capitol Police (CPD) and the Department of General Services (DGS) have indicated that one line and one entrance will be used for everyone.

BUS PARKING: If you are coming in a bus that we don't know about please contact us at bus@vcdl.org so that we can give you directions on the roads the buses must take to get to the parking area. Buses will be parked and will remain in that location until they are re-boarded for the trip home. It will be a short walk down the hill to the Capitol Square, about 4 to 6 blocks. RPD officers will guide you across Broad Street and will stop traffic as necessary for pedestrian crossing.

We would like to know the number of buses if possible so we can gauge how much parking will be needed. Passenger vehicles, including passenger vans, will NOT be permitted to park in the bus parking area.

STREET CLOSINGS: Broad Street will be restricted to one lane in each direction from 14th Street to 7th Street and will be closed at from time to time for pedestrian traffic. 9th Street will be closed to vehicle traffic from Cary Street to Broad Street. Main Street will be closed from 14th Street to 9th Street. Franklin and Grace Streets between 8th and 9th. Bank Street will be closed as well. These street closures will be in effect from 7:00 am until approximately 4:00 pm.

LOBBY TEAMS: Teams will begin forming at 8:00 am and start entering the GA Building right away. ARRIVE EARLY IF YOU INTEND TO LOBBY! We will meet at or near 10th and Bank Streets, form groups and move down 10th Street to Main to enter the building. Team Leaders will likely have orange VCDL clipboards and will be wearing high visibility vests. Seek them out as soon as you arrive and try to get on a team. Most team leaders will have a list of the Delegates and Senators with whom they will be meeting. However, if you can’t find a team with YOUR Delegate or Senator, we encourage you to join a team anyway, as things are likely to be crowded. Some Team Leaders are posting their Senator and Delegate assignments on Facebook. You can hook up with them in the VCDL Group.

EXPECT LONG LINES: There will be a large turnout. Not everyone will fit in the building at once. When the capacity is reached, entry into the building will be halted until people leave. Please visit your assigned offices and perhaps your own Senator's and Delegate's offices and then exit the building so others can enter. Patience is essential. If you have trouble standing for extended periods consider bringing a folding chair. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY CPD AND DGS THAT THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS FOR HANDICAP ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING.

DRESS FOR THE WEATHER: It is January. It can be cold. Most of the day will be spent outside. Please check the weather and dress appropriately. Business casual or better attire is suggested. When you are communicating with people you do so with your appearance as well as your words. Wear comfortable shoes. There is a hill to climb from Main to Broad and the Capitol Square area is hilly as well. The elevators in the building will be packed so you may end up using stairs.

FOOD: There have been some food truck vendors who have indicated that they will be nearby. There are restaurants in the vicinity as well. However, with this many people in the area there will be long lines. It is advisable to bring snacks or sandwiches. We will post an alert soon if there are any prohibited items. We are waiting for advice from RPD and CPD.

CARRY: As of this moment, carry is prohibited inside the General Assembly (GA) Building and the Capitol. For this reason we suggest that if you intend to go inside to lobby you should leave your firearm at home, in your hotel room, or out-of-sight in your locked vehicle. DO NOT LEAVE AN UNSECURED GUN IN AN UNLOCKED CAR! There have been multiple firearms stolen out of vehicles lately. DO NOT HANDLE A LOADED FIREARM. VCDL's firearm safety policy at all VCDL-sponsored meetings, events, or gatherings has always been that loaded firearms shall NOT be handled; they will remain holstered or otherwise secured at all times. Don't ask someone to hold your gun while you go in the building. We suggest that if you are lobbying and come unarmed that you travel in groups with a DD...Designated Defender. This person volunteers to stay outside while the others go in and make our voices heard. As an alternative, you can use a fanny pack type holster which can be taken off and handed to your companion for safe keeping while you go into the building. AGAIN, DO NOT TAKE THE FIREARM OUT OF ITS HOLSTER.

Folding knives with a metal blades less than 3 inches are allowed. However, some of the Capitol police officers were not aware of such knives being permitted on Monday, January 13. If the Capitol Police won't let you bring in such a knife, request a sergeant or a lieutenant to be summoned. Twice I carried a 2.9-inch knife and placed it in the provided screening basket as I went through security on January 19th. No problem.

Be patient with the Capitol Police on the screenings. It was not their idea, but Democrat leadership's idea. The police are just doing their job and VCDL has always had an excellent working relationship with them.

SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: There have been many rumors, videos, and articles flying around the internet. We cannot stress enough that this is a peaceful day to address our Legislature. Yes, we hold a rally, but the point of the day is communication with our Representatives. To our knowledge there are no credible threats of violence. That being said, please practice appropriate situational awareness. IF YOU SEE A BAD ACTOR flag down a police officer and point it out. If someone tries to provoke you, smile and walk away. There is probably someone secretly recording the interaction, with the intent of capturing some kind of inappropriate reaction on your part. Don't take the bait. It's not worth the bad press. The eyes of the nation and the world are on Virginia and VCDL right now and we must show them that gun owners are not the problem. Lead by example. We have been and continue to be in close contact with several law enforcement agencies and will keep them informed of all potential threats that we become aware of. Law enforcement will be in abundance at the event, both uniformed and plain clothes.

SCHEDULE: We begin lobbying at 8:00 am and continue until 10:30 am. From 11:00 am until noon we will have a rally at the Capital steps. It will be crowded, so try to get there early if you want to be able to see (and hear) the speakers. Once the rally is over you can continue lobbying, grab some lunch, or head back to your bus/car. OUR BUSES WILL DEPART AT 2:00 pm so allow yourself ample time to return to your bus.

SPECIAL ISSUE OF THE DEFENDER: Normally our newsletter, The Defender, is mailed to members and not available to the public until the next copy is published. However, we have decided to make this one available to everyone as it contains important information about Lobby Day. Please review map to familiarize yourself with the layout. The link is here.

Thank you all for your support. For those coming from other states to stand with Virginia, we appreciate you making the long trip. This will be a notable day in history. Let's all work together to keep it positive and to achieve our goal of protecting our right to keep and bear arms.
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Several thousand gun owners turned out at the temporary General Assembly Building on Monday, January 13! The hearing room was divided into two areas - the larger area for gun-rights supporters and the other was a smaller area for gun-control supporters.

Gun owners filled up their side of the room quickly, while the gun controllers side was still pretty empty. To make it looked like they had more people and not look so pitiful, a search for gun-controllers in the waiting line outside the meeting room doors was conducted. Countless gun owners in the line were skipped over in the search for more gun-controllers. Whenever a gun controller was found, they were allowed to go into the meeting room, but no more gun owners were allowed in.

Sheriff Scott Jenkins of Culpeper County and Sheriff Richard Vaughn of Grayson County were in the room in support of gun owners. Sheriff Jenkins spoke twice during the hearings.

The meeting was chaired by Democrat Senator John Edwards. The Republicans on the committee pointed out multiple mistakes and even rules that were broken in the running of the committee, but the Democrat-controlled committee ignored the complaints and lurched forward anyhow, rules be damned.

Republican Senator Bill Stanley, who could not be at the hearing due to a trial he had to attend, had been promised by John Edwards that no gun bills would be heard on Monday, but Senator Edwards went back on his word and gun bills were heard anyhow. Senator Mark Obenshain brought up that broken promise, but to no avail.

Each side was only given 5 minutes total to speak on each bill.

The first gun-control bill to pass out of committee was SB 69, a one-handgun a month bill, which reinstated the last version of that law before it was repealed. Senator Saslaw's version of that same bill, SB 22, was rolled into SB 69 and SB 69 was passed out by a partisan vote of 9 to 5. Republican senators Mark Obenshain and Ryan McDougle put up strong resistance, as did speakers who pointed out that the law had been a failure, but to no avail.

Next up was SB 70, a Universal Background Check bill. Saslaw's version of the same bill, SB 12, was rolled into SB 70. A substitute bill was then offered for SB 70, which made the background checks only apply to sales of guns and not transfers, which fixes the problems with letting a friend or family member use one of your guns without you being constantly present. However, it still strips an 18, 19, or 20 year old from being able to own a handgun, since a dealer cannot process a handgun purchased by federal law for someone that age. Also, a background check would have to be run on all sales, even sales to immediate family members, friends, etc.! SB 70 passed by a partisan vote of 9 to 5.

Senator Barker's Red Flag Law bill, SB 240, was eviscerated, as all the flaws and dangers of that bill were brought up by Republicans Obenshain, McDougle, and Chafin on the committee, as well as by the pro-gun speakers. None of the concerns were addressed and the bill was passed by a partisan vote of 9 to 5.

Finally, SB 615, SB 450, and SB 505, all of which allow localities to pass various gun-control ordinances, were rolled into a substitute version of SB 35, making SB 35 an omnibus bill that destroys preemption by allowing Virginia localities to create a confusing set of local gun-control laws. Again, speaker after speaker spoke against SB 35, but it passed by a partisan 9 to 5 vote.

The gun-control bills that passed out of committee will now head to the Senate Floor to be voted on in a few days. VCDL will have an acton item shortly to bombard Senators with calls and emails encouraging them to opposed the four bills.

Elections have consequences and we are in a real fight to protect our rights.
 
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On one of the ARfcom threads someone is setting up comms.
They have not released freqs as of yet. You may have to PM the guy to get on the list for release closer to Monday.
 
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Target said:
On one of the ARfcom threads someone is setting up comms.
They have not released freqs as of yet. You may have to PM the guy to get on the list for release closer to Monday.
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with they post jamming freqs and tones too .. bring your BaoFeng ;) ;) ;)
 
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Yes, he can stop 50,000 people from entering the grounds by simply controlling the entrance and exit points. Each entrance point can be narrowed down to one person at a time by several dozen/hundred officers armed to the teeth. Think Thermopoly, hot gates/Football game.
 
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holdover said:
Yes, he can stop 50,000 people from entering the grounds by simply controlling the entrance and exit points. Each entrance point can be narrowed down to one person at a time by several dozen/hundred officers armed to the teeth. Think Thermopoly, hot gates/Football game.
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If he follows through on declaring a temporary emergency, Blackface will have a lot of law enforcement and "public safety" options open to him, and pretty much at any point in time he can declare an assembly "unlawful" and the cops can tell everyone to GTFO or be arrested.

If he does declare a temporary state of emergency that will not allow their peaceful assembly based on "internet rumors" and supposed "threatening emails or phone calls," VA citizens should either go in loaded for bear, or go hunt somewhere else.

ETA: the real question is what are folks in VA going to do when their version of FUAC decides to call their protest an "unlawful assembly" and closes it all down. Going to the capitol grounds now where he's banned ALL arms is crazy. Are 10,000 to 100,00 VA citizens going to disarm themselves to go into that crap show?
 
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If they really had the numbers they're claiming they're going to have, and the resolve to show up fully armed, they should show up to the barriers and checkpoints and invite the cops to join them and collectively thumb their nose at Coonman. You never know.

If they voluntarily disarm so that they can enter the grounds and the government buildings to lobby their "representatives" (who don't in fact represent them), Coonman and the Commiecrats win the propaganda war.

VCDL, who is running the show right now, is going to have egg on their face over the embarrassment of calling for 100k patriots to show up at the capitol so that Blackface knows they mean business, but now has to beg everyone to show up disarmed if they want to "lobby."

I wonder if anyone in VCDL, whom I'm assuming applied for and got the permit to hold their rally/protest, even considered the police and public safety powers available to a sitting governor before they got the ball rolling.

Is Tom King's cousin running things down there, or a former military guy who knows what's really going on in this country?

State and Federal officials historically have really not had a problem telling the plebes to STFU and go hope... or else. Especially if the plebes were armed. They have many time used the bully boys to scare off and even kill American citizens who want to assemble and petition their government.

The Commiecrats and Coonman are running the playbook, and I'm not sure if most supporters of the Constitution even understand that their "own government" has a playbook, or that they themselves need one to counter that.
 
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Governor of VA already declared state of emergency. Media is running stories that this is an alt right movement. While most people here are good Americans, we can expect some assholes to mess it up. Then the media will turn it on us. I also would’ the surprised if there are agent provocateurs there
 
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That's exactly whats going to happen. The people are going to be discredited , They are going to appear to be neo Nazis white racist's who want to overthrow the government . Not as people trying to keep their rights.
 
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What a fucking hide under your desk safe room spineless jellyfish wet noodle pussy!

Wants the Democratically controlled State to "USE" guns to defend the legislature... Simply amazing, and so typically progressive hypocritical...

Every single person should show up with cardboard cut outs, and rifle bags with wooden dummies to give them all fucking heart attacks and then all the attendees can then sue the State for what most assuredly will be mass violations of unreasonable searches... Lmao! Bankrupt the fuckers! Hit them where it hurts, they'll have no money left to give away for free college to criminal migrants!

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According to Coonman:

"Please know that we have been preparing extensively to protect public safety at Monday's rally. But no one wants another incident like the one we saw in Charlottesville in 2017," Northam said.
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Yeah right. Demrats are salivating for another Charlottesville.

They better hope they don't get another Boston Tea Party, because the adults who pay the taxes and build and fix everything in this country are sick to death of scum like Blackface.
 
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