1/20/20 Virginia 2nd Amendment Rally discussion (merged thread)

[spat]

Step back .. take a few steps back ..

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That would be perfect.

VCDL should announce the day of the rally that they will hold it just outside the gun free zone and encourage open carry.

Then, once it's in full swing they should announce that we are moving to the capital, and have a few insiders clandestinely planted to tear down the barrier and lead the masses in bypassing the checkpoints.

If the gov decides mass arrests are in order, that will be confirmation of the worst to most people in the RKBA movement. Things will probably get pretty frisky at that point.

If they don't, then .gov blinked and VCDL wins this round.

This could be a crossing the Rubicon moment.

 

[livingston]

Blame Game Set for Va. Gov. Northam's Gun-Free Kill Zone
Capitol police expect to funnel as many as 10,000 people through magnetometers into the outdoor gun-free kill zone that will be contained by fencing around the Capitol grounds. Thus, any violent extremists motivated by mass murder will be able legally to carry their weapons onto 9th Street and have a free fire zone into the trapped and defenseless crowd.

Similarly, it will be legal to carry anywhere on the streets surrounding the kill zone. Trapping people in an enclosure won't make them safe, and the prospect of mixing bad and good actors in the streets is an object lesson in the futility of gun-free zones.

On Lobby Day, should people need to escape the gun-free kill zone, they will be funneled into exit choke points along the fence, where they will be vulnerable to further concentrated violence. This is the same type of plan used in Charlottesville to trap Unite the Right demonstrators behind metal barricades, and then to funnel them through exits targeted by the Antifa mob.

The only people who might be protected by this plan will be the people inside the Capitol building itself — i.e., mainly lawmakers.

Blame Game Set for Va. Gov. Northam's Gun-Free Kill Zone

The political battle lines have been drawn over Virginia governor Ralph Northam's declaration of an emergency kill zone on the Capitol grounds for Lobby Day, Jan. 20.As of Friday night, after a Virginia district court rejected a legal...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[livingston]

Philip Van Cleave, president of the VCDL, discussed the logistics of the rally on the Cam Edwards YouTube channel on Thursday:

 

[holdover]

That would be perfect.

VCDL should announce the day of the rally that they will hold it just outside the gun free zone and encourage open carry.

Then, once it's in full swing they should announce that we are moving to the capital, and have a few insiders clandestinely planted to tear down the barrier and lead the masses in bypassing the checkpoints.

If the gov decides mass arrests are in order, that will be confirmation of the worst to most people in the RKBA movement. Things will probably get pretty frisky at that point.

If they don't, then .gov blinked and VCDL wins this round.

This could be a crossing the Rubicon moment.

I have a feeling , by the end of the day those fences are going to be cut or taken down . a lot of people have been encouraging others to bring wire cutters to escape or help others escape if something goes wrong.

 

[John Stark]

It is, but You must exhaust all measures first.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm already exhausted.

 

[Bob]

I have a feeling , by the end of the day those fences are going to be cut or taken down . a lot of people have been encouraging others to bring wire cutters to escape or help others escape if something goes wrong.

A Dewalt battery-operated angle grinder is small and will make quick work of a chain-link fence. Just sayin'

 

[Bob]

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm already exhausted.

The soap box has been kicked out from under us.
The ballot box has been stuffed.
The jury box has been corrupted.
There's only one box left.

I'm done talking. Most people already have their minds made up one way or another, and are unlikely to be swayed.
I will continue to vote, but the 300 square miles that encompass New York City invalidate the votes in the other 54,000 square miles of New York State.
The judges continue to violate their oaths and side in favor of the government over the Constitution.
Something needs to happen. Soon. The reset button needs to be located and smashed.

(In case you're wondering, I'm doing my taxes right now. That isn't helping)

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[John Stark]

first thing Monday morning, 2A advocates (patriots) must remove the fencing around the capital grounds, THAT HAS TO GO. Patriots must remove any choke points, and create easy access and egress from the capital grounds.
Second, they don't have enough police to stop MASS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE. 100,000 patriots vs 25,000 cops, not gong to be an issue unless the cops start shooting and they don't have enough police to arrest everyone without bringing in the military.

On April 19th 1775, American Patriots said "fuck you" to Great Brighton. On January 20th 2020, its time for America to once again say "fuck you" to the tyrants.

Film and record everything from all angles. Patriot must control themselves. If ANYONE gets out of line, Patriots must quell the protester, fast

Make the blackface gang make the first move, force their hand

I'm in complete agreement with you. Tear that fencing down and call it the Richmond Chainlink Party.

However lets make sure we understand that.

With the emergency order and the VA Supreme Court upholding it, even a minor incident gives full policing and "public safety" powers into the hands of Coonman.

He is certainly going to declare this protest "unlawful" no matter what. If they have to invent a pretext they will, just as they invented the pretext to skirt VA laws to ban Arms and had their lackeys in the VA courts ready to find in favor of the Blackface Gang. Its certain.

The order to declare the "unlawful" protest a riot is already written as well, and its certain Coonman is going to use that order if anyone protesting dares to even break wind in the presence of a cop.

Once the unlawful assembly is declared a riot, full policing powers come into play, up to and including calling in the national guard and appealing to FedGov to put down an armed insurrection. Anyone not leaving the area immediately and to the liking of Coonman and the cops is automatically a felon caught on camera and identified by facial recognition for prosecution now and later.

The police powers of a sitting governor in a declared emergency during a riot are very broad; and will almost certainly be very brutal as well since everyone there would be considered rioters and violent felons for participating in an armed action against the actual state government of Virginia. Attacking the state government is very serious even if the citizens of Virginia have righteous judgment and retribution on their side.

The questions are: will the cops obey orders (likely IMO), and are the protesters even remotely ready and capable to handle it?

It's a deadly situation and I personally have doubts that anyone in VCDL or GOA are understanding the full extent of the game Coonman is playing here.

It is absolutey time for Americans to kick ass and chew bubble gum.

Does anyone down there running this protest understand that Coonman is clearly and fully prepared to deploy forces to use deadly force against them? Not just the threat of it, but the well laid plans the Blackface Gang have made and are implementing one careful step at a time?

VCDL is acting like this is still going to be a peaceful protest and openly begging for 10,000 volunteers to disarm themselves, go through the cattle chute, and stand around inside that chicken coop for hours. Anyone who does that is signing up to be a victim in the bloodbath.

The Blackface Gang are going to unleash the dogs. There absolutely are going to be declarations of an unlawful assembly and riot. There is going to be violence in a sea of weaponry. Coonman is telegraphing this so obviously even a moron like Cuomo can figure out where this is headed without pulling his head out of his ass.

There is not going to be civil disobedience down there unless the cops refuse to follow orders. Its going to be very uncivil and "politics by other means."

The repercussions of this are going to ripple like a 7.0 seismic event if this protest proceeds. The Blackface Gang has preplanned for this and are going to execute the order to put the boot on the neck of their own citizens.

I hope all of us see the writing on the wall and are prepared.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[holdover]

I'm in complete agreement with you. Tear that fencing down and call it the Richmond Chainlink Party.

However lets make sure we understand that.

With the emergency order and the VA Supreme Court upholding it, even a minor incident gives full policing and "public safety" powers into the hands of Coonman.

He is certainly going to declare this protest "unlawful" no matter what. If they have to invent a pretext they will, just as they invented the pretext to skirt VA laws to ban Arms and had their lackeys in the VA courts ready to find in favor of the Blackface Gang. Its certain.

The order to declare the "unlawful" protest a riot is already written as well, and its certain Coonman is going to use that order if anyone protesting dares to even break wind in the presence of a cop.

Once the unlawful assembly is declared a riot, full policing powers come into play, up to and including calling in the national guard and appealing to FedGov to put down an armed insurrection. Anyone not leaving the area immediately and to the liking of Coonman and the cops is automatically a felon caught on camera and identified by facial recognition for prosecution now and later.

The police powers of a sitting governor in a declared emergency during a riot are very broad; and will almost certainly be very brutal as well since everyone there would be considered rioters and violent felons for participating in an armed action against the actual state government of Virginia. Attacking the state government is very serious even if the citizens of Virginia have righteous judgment and retribution on their side.

The questions are: will the cops obey orders (likely IMO), and are the protesters even remotely ready and capable to handle it?



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If theres a hundred thousand people, and things did go wrong the police simply do not have the ability or means of controlling it . They made be forced to stand down until the guard comes ( which they wont because most of them are protestors) They may be forced to sit on thier hands .

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

If theres a hundred thousand people, and things did go wrong the police simply do not have the ability or means of controlling it . They made be forced to stand down until the guard comes ( which they wont because most of them are protestors) They may be forced to sit on thier hands .

What are the projections on attendence turn out?

 

[Robin]

Oath, paycheck, oath, paycheck, oath, paycheck, hmmmmm.
Robin

 

[holdover]

Anywhere from 15,000 to 125,000, Nobody really knows. the weather and traffic are going to slow or stop people from getting there

 

[Robin]

“THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated”

― Thomas Paine, The Crisis
tags: 1776, december-23

 

[holdover]

Oath, paycheck, oath, paycheck, oath, paycheck, hmmmmm.
Robin

Theres ways around it , if they don't want to do it. , for crying out loud, don't you ya think they have friends and family in the crowd? What if you killed your own nephew? The police don't want any trouble they are out gunned out numbered and would be firing into family and neighbors, The capital police may be different .

 

[MothMan]

Signs everywhere signs...
Sign on closed gate.

 

[MothMan]

Lots and lots of construction going on in area. Much of fencing around capital buildings is construction fence. Big area for security check point on 9th St side.

 

[livingston]

Mandalay Bay.... practice run ? Look what the anti gun folks would try to ban if we had part 2. Everyone behind a fence and cannot get out of the line of fire ... Folks attending should have some body armor if possible .

 

[MothMan]

Barriers going up along sidewalks. Definitely will impede movement.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Barriers going up along sidewalks. Definitely will impede movement.

That seems to be the plan...

 

[John Stark]

If theres a hundred thousand people, and things did go wrong the police simply do not have the ability or means of controlling it . They made be forced to stand down until the guard comes ( which they wont because most of them are protestors) They may be forced to sit on thier hands .

Absolutely would be the best situation if the domestic quasi-military forces stand down. Hell, they should all call in with the Blue Flu. I prefer Americans as law enforcement, not former citizen-officers who decide its worth it to put on the jackboots.

Any cop in charge that orders a stand down, even when it makes sense, is going to be cashiered immediately.

Its an open question what other force multipliers Coonman and his handlers have arranged behind the scenes that might be waiting in the wings.

Magic Eightball says, "Who the hell knows."

I really miss America.

 

[John Stark]

“THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated”

― Thomas Paine, The Crisis
tags: 1776, december-23
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My friend, thank you for posting that.

God bless America

 

[technicalgadget]

It’s a shame, but the Governor and the left are going to sacrifice good local law enforcement and state police men to the Antifa and clandestine provocateurs working for the left. Good men will be injured or maybe even murdered by their own hands to advance their agenda so they can claim the second amendment folks were the ones responsible.

 

[maverick52]

This coming from Ammoland

Virginia Governor Sets a Trap for Lobby Day, 20 January, 2020

Virginia Second Amendment supporters face a media trap at Lobby Day, 20 January, 2020. Governor Northam and the media are portraying Second Amendment supporters as violent racists

www.ammoland.com

 

[John Stark]

FAA Declares Airspace Over Richmond, VA "National Defense Airspace" Until After Lobby Day

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has not only issued temporary flight restrictions for Richmond, Virginia for Monday, but has designated the airspaces are “National Defense Airspace” until after Lobby Day, where tens of thousands of people who support the Second Amendment will gather on...

gunsinthenews.com

FedGov clearly involved now....

 

[GOPerfect]

The Libtards are not smart enough to plan this deep.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

FAA Declares Airspace Over Richmond, VA "National Defense Airspace" Until After Lobby Day

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has not only issued temporary flight restrictions for Richmond, Virginia for Monday, but has designated the airspaces are “National Defense Airspace” until after Lobby Day, where tens of thousands of people who support the Second Amendment will gather on...

gunsinthenews.com

FedGov clearly involved now....

Are they planning on bombing the protesters? What the fuck is going on? It seems like we are already at war based on how they are acting.

 

[John Stark]

Are they planning on bombing the protesters? What the fuck is going on? It seems like we are already at war based on how they are acting.

Well the FAA is probably "acting out of an abundance of caution" to make sure that the racist, backwards, deplorable redneck terrorists in Virginia don't use their .50 caliber "shoulder thing that goes up" to down an airliner or Coonman's chopper.

It might also be prep work for a declaration of martial law by the State of Virginia, and the Feds are merely getting out in front of that as a contingency.

Coonman may well have requested this.

Freaking A

 

[GOYABEAN]

Are they planning on bombing the protesters? What the fuck is going on? It seems like we are already at war based on how they are acting.

they'll paint and track you home