1/20/20 Virginia 2nd Amendment Rally discussion (merged thread)

[BDinPutnam]

Seems like this was very effective.

Virginia House passes Dems’ gun reform laws 10 days after protests

The Virginia House of Delegates passed seven Democratic gun reform laws 10 days after large protests at the state capital over the proposed measures. The bills include reg…

thehill.com

 

[96coal449]

And a list of more states currently pushing more recent anti gun legislation.
TN, KY, UT, OK, WA, .......
This is good,
The pot is coming to a boil.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Seems like this was very effective.

Virginia House passes Dems’ gun reform laws 10 days after protests

The Virginia House of Delegates passed seven Democratic gun reform laws 10 days after large protests at the state capital over the proposed measures. The bills include reg…

thehill.com

Quite frankly, I hope they get it. Then PA next. Followed by Florida. The more the better for us.

 

[96coal449]

Quite frankly, I hope they get it. Then PA next. Followed by Florida. The more the better for us.

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[ArmedCorgi]

And a list of more states currently pushing more recent anti gun legislation.
TN, KY, UT, OK, WA, .......
This is good,
The pot is coming to a boil.

What is UT pushing? Last I checked democrats were a huge minority in their state government.

 

[96coal449]

What is UT pushing? Last I checked democrats were a huge minority in their state government.

I'll get back to you in a bit. I just saw something today about it. I only read the title.

 

[96coal449]

What is UT pushing? Last I checked democrats were a huge minority in their state government.

HB 149, HB 109, HB 115, HB 136, and SB 33

 

[ArmedCorgi]

HB 149, HB 109, HB 115, HB 136, and SB 33

Do you have a link?

 

[96coal449]

Do you have a link?

I will add info .....

 

[96coal449]

I do not know how to link.
This one is good....HB149 tenants rights to keep arms
HB109 no person to person sales
HB115 if you loan out your firearm you are liable for their actions
HB136 safe storage
SB33 additional charges for de serialized firearms even though already a fed offense.

 

[96coal449]

Warren releases a mega gun control bill.
One of which requires gun owners to be federally licensed.

 

[libertysnake]

Sorry, are we still waiting on the citizens of VA to be up in arms about NY? Because I'm still waiting. Lovely how they turned tail after their rally.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I do not know how to link.
This one is good....HB149 tenants rights to keep arms
HB109 no person to person sales
HB115 if you loan out your firearm you are liable for their actions
HB136 safe storage
SB33 additional charges for de serialized firearms even though already a fed offense.

I looked them up. All Democrat bills. Fortunately the Utah state government is overwhelmingly republican...for now. But this is how it all starts, which is why I cannot understand why so many gun owners laugh these kind of anti gun bills off when the anti's are in the minority but are surprised when they end up passing and in the same breath scoff at and discount pro gun bills that get proposed when in the minority and think they will never pass.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I feel like moving to a "free state" should not be looked at like you are finally free and can relax. Moving to a free state should be considered a brief reprieve from the constant assault on our rights. Move, catch your breath and get ready to hold the line because the anti gun agenda is coming. Moving to a free state merely gives you the advantage of being in a state were you still have a fighting chance of preventing more gun control. That you have a fighting chance of keeping these assholes in the minority. Fuck them.

 

[spat]

I feel like moving to a "free state" should not be looked at like you are finally free and can relax. Moving to a free state should be considered a brief reprieve from the constant assault on our rights. Move, catch your breath and get ready to hold the line because the anti gun agenda is coming. Moving to a free state merely gives you the advantage of being in a state were you still have a fighting chance of preventing more gun control. That you have a fighting chance of keeping these assholes in the minority. Fuck them.

It is a strategic withdrawal, not an escape.

Think Dunkirk.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It is a strategic withdrawal, not an escape.

Think Dunkirk.

I do think this. I just cannot reconcile how much fellow gun owners fear any anti gun legislation that gets proposed, no matter how unlikely its passing, yet laugh off any attempt to pass pro gun bills no matter how unlikely. It's like we were all born pessimists. It's fucking exhausting man.

 

[spat]

I do think this. I just cannot reconcile how much fellow gun owners fear any anti gun legislation that gets proposed, no matter how unlikely its passing, yet laugh off any attempt to pass pro gun bills no matter how unlikely. It's like we were all born pessimists. It's fucking exhausting man.

I think most of us have resigned ourselves to the fact that statism is a one way ratchet. You can vote for more, but you can never vote successfully for less.

It's like they say, you can vote yourself in, but you have to shoot your way out.

We are screwed, we know it, and it's inevitable, but it's not quite time to start shooting yet.

So, recognize that a shit storm is brewing, and try to guess where the best place to ride it out is going to be.

Do you want to be crossing the Delaware with the next GW, or do you want to be as far away from the fighting as you can get.

 

[libertysnake]

It's a voter consolidation game.

The only realistic way to win, is consolidate people who are conservative in one area. Consolidate your numbers so they're not lost to a big city when the dems control 51% of it. Leave those areas. Consolidate to conservative townships. Starve them of the other percent of the city they're getting.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I think most of us have resigned ourselves to the fact that statism is a one way ratchet. You can vote for more, but you can never vote successfully for less.

This is because of a mix of complacency and a failure to realize that the forces we fear are taking over were once in the same position we feel we are in ourselves. There was once a time when no one questioned gun ownership. It was a part of everyday life. However, I am sure there were still people who hated guns and didn't think everyday people should have them. That movement grew and grew til we find ourselves where we are now. Why? Because of a constant pressure. Popular or not, they kept pushing, pushing, pushing. Even though they may be in the minority they keep pushing, pushing, pushing. While they keep pushing, pushing, pushing we keep bitching, bitching, bitching. Which of those two verbs do you think is more effective?

 

[MrWhite]

Am I the only one who was kinda hoping for a takeover of the statehouse, an armed insurrection if you will.
would we all be in a different position right now if that had occurred?
First time posting here so perhaps I’m overreaching. But I truly find this air of defeatism really alarming.

 

[stokes]

Sorry, are we still waiting on the citizens of VA to be up in arms about NY? Because I'm still waiting. Lovely how they turned tail after their rally.

What exactly is it Va is supposed to do about NY?

 

[BDinPutnam]

Am I the only one who was kinda hoping for a takeover of the statehouse, an armed insurrection if you will.
would we all be in a different position right now if that had occurred?
First time posting here so perhaps I’m overreaching. But I truly find this air of defeatism really alarming.

Yes, it's just you.

 

[MrWhite]

Yes, it's just you.

Could be.....

 

[dsdmmat]

It's a voter consolidation game.

The only realistic way to win, is consolidate people who are conservative in one area. Consolidate your numbers so they're not lost to a big city when the dems control 51% of it. Leave those areas. Consolidate to conservative townships. Starve them of the other percent of the city they're getting.

I think setting up an electoral college in the state wide elections would be more beneficial. The state leadership would no longer be able to screw over every county that doesn’t have NYC in it.

Mandatory splitting of the electoral college vote for national elections by percentage of the votes cast for each candidate would be a way to ensure a couple of things. All voters are being represented in the presidential election, states like NY, CA, TX and the other high population stats cannot be ignored for the battleground states. It would infuse millions of dollars into the economies of those states because the panders would have to visit them and not write them off as a sure thing.

 

[libertysnake]

I think setting up an electoral college in the state wide elections would be more beneficial. The state leadership would no longer be able to screw over every county that doesn’t have NYC in it.

Mandatory splitting of the electoral college vote for national elections by percentage of the votes cast for each candidate would be a way to ensure a couple of things. All voters are being represented in the presidential election, states like NY, CA, TX and the other high population stats cannot be ignored for the battleground states. It would infuse millions of dollars into the economies of those states because the panders would have to visit them and not write them off as a sure thing.

Politicians will never allow it though. Sometimes you have to work within their bullshit framework -- and consolidation of communities is a sure fire thing that works with how the current system works.

 

[Acer-m14]

consolidation of communities is a sure fire thing that works with how the current system works.

i was just thinking of something like this ... WV as invited them to be part of there state .. would take a miracle for that ..

but what if a bunch of 2a sanctuary counties merged into one big ass county to top the major cities ? hummm was just a thought

 

[libertysnake]

i was just thinking of something like this ... WV as invited them to be part of there state .. would take a miracle for that ..

but what if a bunch of 2a sanctuary counties merged into one big ass county to top the major cities ? hummm was just a thought

Either that, or we have to formulate conservative cities. The dems will never allow redistricting like that. It has to be all in one area.

Assuming it's allowed, and there's not some restriction on rapid movement into one area, you could overwhelm them with populace in a single point, and grab the state. Ideally you'd want to do this next to a city with substantial dem populations within the county, but with less population than NYC so it would be easier to flip all the blue votes to red and make the blue votes of that city essentially worthless.

If we flip a smaller city in NYC that is normally blue, there's a shot. And that highly improbable scenario, is probably the best case peaceful scenario.



It's basically the way it currently works. If we live in the same area, our voices are heard.

 

[Uzi]

I do think this. I just cannot reconcile how much fellow gun owners fear any anti gun legislation that gets proposed, no matter how unlikely its passing, yet laugh off any attempt to pass pro gun bills no matter how unlikely. It's like we were all born pessimists. It's fucking exhausting man.

Don't confuse a pessimist to a realist. Facts outweigh false and stupid hope. Idiots that can't understand the big picture help drag out this shit longer anyways because they need constant comforting.
Accepting the truth isn't hard, and it's one step in actually resolving the problem at hand with action, verses relying on hope or some other stupid superstitious karma bullshit. We don't need hope, we need action.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Don't confuse a pessimist to a realist. Facts outweigh false and stupid hope. Idiots that can't understand the big picture help drag out this shit longer anyways because they need constant comforting.
Accepting the truth isn't hard, and it's one step in actually resolving the problem at hand with action, verses relying on hope or some other stupid superstitious karma bullshit. We don't need hope, we need action.

I do know the difference and believe it or not I can see the bigger picture as well. As a rule I just try not to immediately bat down or discredit every attempt by someone to do a good thing for the 2A and the country at large. Mostly because by and large what they are doing is action. At least, more of an action than typing opinions and putting people down on a discussion forum.

Action? What kind of action are you referring to? Standing out in the cold with a sign? Or rising up and starting another revolution? I know these are two of @Marine Cpl favorites to criticize as one that does nothing and the other that will never happen. We talking that kind of action?

Or are you referring to actively getting behind a piece of legislation or movement? Oh, wait scratch that. That's superstitious karma bullshit. My bad, we don't need that.

I guess that leaves shooting? Is that the action you hope for , excuse me, need? If that is the "truth" and the point we are really at, then I can accept that. I just don't see any "realists" doing anything about it. Other than bitch.

 

[ExMember_4526]

So, being that it seems most people here feel something needs to be done and that the “glorious revolution” will most likely not happen (for a multitude of reasons), what proactive measures can be taken immediately in order to challenge these unconstitutional regulations?

Again & again, the “grabbers” are persistent in their actions and seem to get things done, why can’t we do the same? The “grabbers” spend less time complaining and hating on each other, and actually come together to see how they can achieve their ends, why can’t people who want deregulation?