Curmudgeon
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Curfew is bullshit.
Just got a news alert that erie county NY has curfew 10:30 to 7:00am
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Curfew is bullshit.
spat
.950 JDJ
Oh, you have a right to assemble, unless the mayor signs an order, then all bets are off.
The operative part of "lawful order" is that there has to be lawful authority to issue it.
Maybe what we have here is failure to obey an unlawful order.
Saltwater60
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That implies they are peacefully protesting as cover for the looters. I don’t think that’s the case for the most part. I think the looters are taking advantage of the situation.
It’s a tough situation to say the least but I feel the curfews are like punishing legal gun owners for criminal actions. Obviously that happens but we bitch about it. Also curfews hurt all. I could see them limiting numbers in locations for safety reasons. The lockdowns and curfews scare me since it’s a huge government overreach. Think if the bars and restaurants were open. Wow!!
spat
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I didn't mean to imply that they were intentionally providing cover.
But they should recognize that they *are* providing cover, whether that is their intention or not.
And I do not agree with curfews. What I am calling for is the actual peaceful protesters to recognize that they are causing a danger and voluntarily hold off for a couple days.
Buffalo protester pushed to ground, starts bleeding, video shows; 2 cops suspended: reports
Two Buffalo, N.Y., police officers have been suspended without pay and an internal affairs investigation launched after a shocking video showed officers push an elderly man, who then fell to the ground and started bleeding on the sidewalk, according to reports.
www.foxnews.com
Curmudgeon
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Disparity of force. Guy had a phone in one hand and motorcycle helmet in the other. Shanked? Lolz
Sure, but there was like zero force used. The guy tripped over his own feet.
I talked about watching over his house somewhat jokingly. The officers were told to carry on with their duties dispersing people and moving as one unit while the supervisor(s) behind provided care.
True, but just because we don't agree with it, doesn't make it not the law. I think 55MPH is bullshit but it still applies. I think 10 round mags is bullshit, but it still applies. The place to fight the laws is not in the street with the police.
Curmudgeon
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But it's literally not the law. Just cuz Brown or Poloncarz wrote some things on paper and has the manpower to show force doesnt make it right or valid. Neither Brown nor Poloncarz have the authority to make law.
Unfortunately the mayors have the legal standing to issue a curfew. We can stomp our feet all we want but it is still true. Those are the facts. I'm a good driver and don't think 55 MPH should apply to me, but it still does.
There are states of emergency issued and active. Therein they have the legal authority to issue a lawful curfew by EO. This isn't something they just dreamt up.
Curmudgeon
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So if martial law gets declared, you'd support that?
How about rounding up certain groups of people?
Sound familiar? Where does it end? At what point do you see a moral obligation to stand up against tyrrany?
I have no issue using force against people. All people. They had to be a threat though. I will lay hard hands on anyone at anytime. Young, old, infirmed... If I believe there is any type of threat, bet on it; that individual will feel my force. That is on or off duty. This man entered into the officers personal space but there was very little threat.
These officers will not face charges, nor will they be fired. They will, at most receive a suspension.
I am pretty damn pro cop. Always have been, always will be. I will though, call out those that do wrong.
These officers will not face charges, nor will they be fired. They will, at most receive a suspension.
I am pretty damn pro cop. Always have been, always will be. I will though, call out those that do wrong.
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you are confusing me supporting something with me stating what is lawful or not.
FYI the DA is looking into the incident. Not implying anything here just stating a fact.
Saltwater60
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Exactly right here. If there was no curfew there would be no reason to shove this guy and I don’t think it would have happened.
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Look it was warm and humid yesterday. I did a small landscaping job it a t shirt and jeans and I was sweating my balls off. Not saying it justifies what they cop did because he could have been nicer. Who knows what the guy said to him too? I’m sure the cops were hot and tired and sick of this shit. They are human beings to and have a limit. I’m sure we are at that limit. The cops numbers are limited and the protestors greatly outnumber them. We are at stopping point IMO and if both sides don’t work to resolve this no one will like the outcome. No one
Saltwater60
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I agree with this largely. They should protest where there are no businesses or things to damage. Niagara square seems good. Plenty of parks and the waterfront is there. Keep the peaceful protests central then any bad outliers get scooped up and arrested. I know easier said than done but...
I am aware. And?
Marine Cpl
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Jokingly. Nope. You were serious.
The old guy that was pushed to the ground, there is another video on Facebook of him getting grilled by the other protesters. Trying to see if I can share it.
holdover
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This shit will continue until another incident occurs and the guns will start coming out . And its going to look terrible.
If these riots are not stopped there's no going back . Its going to get ugly . I mean war zone ugly. Like we have never seen before in this country.
If these riots are not stopped there's no going back . Its going to get ugly . I mean war zone ugly. Like we have never seen before in this country.
spat
.950 JDJ
The government will claim legal standing to do whatever they want. That doesn't make it so.
They have no more legal standing to issue curfews than they have to restrict magazine size or shutdown barber shops.
That have the same legal standing for those activities as gang bangers do controlling their territory.
Funny, there are still some on this forum that think the police should not be enforcing different things.
Maybe they will all be screaming for assistance when these terrorists come to their neighborhoods...
spat
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They would not last long in most of our neighborhoods.
You guys can stop by to pick up whatevers left of them.
E the massive
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What's his status? Didn't look good on the vid. Back of the head is worst place to smash.
Saltwater60
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Maybe maybe not. Not sure where you live but I live about 10 miles from niagara square and while I haven’t been in everyone’s house in my neighborhood I know of me and about 3-4 others on my block that are armed. The one guy down the street has a black riffles matter sticker on his truck. No one has what I have though. The cop down the street asked to by a riffle because most only have their service weapons.
If you live more rural yes there are more armed folks but they likely won’t come to your area. It’s tough and yes I would defend my house and likely my nieghbors so mine didn’t burn down with theirs but I’m not defending the entire block. I’ll sit on my porch all gunned you and tell them no trouble here just keep moving. I agree Floyd was murdered.
Saltwater60
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Of course Cuomo wants the cops fired!!
@thewheels
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C'mon, you know might makes right.