Buffalo PD emergency response team resigns over old man shove

[Airborneguy]

Yes I now see that 75 year old man was on the FBI most wanted list and got what He deserved. If anyone out there cannot understand respect and restraint for old..elderly people ..then You have no conscience or soul. I was brought up to respect My elders.(and it was hard at times but I did) .not knock them down. This is the "new generation" and I don't envy it at all.

He was barely touched. If you’re that fragile, don’t get tough with cops, sorry. For all my time spent not doing jack, I still don’t let anyone touch me.

 

[Marine Cpl]

They probably were trying to avoid making arrests, by order.

Cops right now are getting conflicting orders left and right from every angle. I’ve take the “don’t do anything” approach, but many still feel that they should work for their pay.

He didn’t need to be arrested but rather pulled to the side. Hey Jim! Grab this idiot and pull him to the side to see what the fuck he wants.

Rather than a push.

 

[Airborneguy]

He didn’t need to be arrested but rather pulled to the side. Hey Jim! Grab this idiot and pull him to the side to see what the fuck he wants.

Rather than a push.

I get that this cancels everything I’ve said over the last two weeks and brings me right back into the, “he defends them EVERY time camp,” but I won’t apologize for it. This guy was barely touched. He was clearly too fragile to be out there acting tough. That’s his problem.

And just to clarify, I was responding to someone who asked “why not just flex cuff him.” Because that’s an arrest, and they clearly weren’t looking to arrest people.

 

[togmaster]

Looks like he tripped over his own feet.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I get that this cancels everything I’ve said over the last two weeks and brings me right back into the, “he defends them EVERY time camp,” but I won’t apologize for it. This guy was barely touched. He was clearly too fragile to be out there acting tough. That’s his problem.

And just to clarify, I was responding to someone who asked “why not just flex cuff him.” Because that’s an arrest, and they clearly weren’t looking to arrest people.

Yeah I get that he was barely touched but he was a geezer. No cop I would think would do that to an old lady hobbling along either unless it was a life or death issue.

 

[Chevusa]

A stiff gust of wind would have done the same thing to that guy. He's a trouble maker and said he was looking to get arrested earlier that day.

 

[Airborneguy]

Yeah I get that he was barely touched but he was a geezer. No cop I would think would do that to an old lady hobbling along either unless it was a life or death issue.

But that’s the key here, he was barely touched. It was very clearly a little tap to get him out of the cop’s personal space, which he had already broken by touching him.

We cannot be responsible for knowing that the person who just rushed up to us and TOUCHED us is a fragile geezer. I’ve fought plenty of people OLDER than him who put up good offenses.

 

[kev74]

To me, it looked like the cops were focusing on more pressing (dangerous) issues ahead, which again, the camera was conveniently positioned to avoid. This is likely why the cop who paused to assist the old guy was told to proceed.

Again, if you're willing to get between cops in riot gear and rioters, its probably going to get uncomfortable.

These people forget that part of civil disobedience is taking responsibility for your actions and the legal repercussions for breaking the law.

 

[Curmudgeon]

If he would have just followed police orders and got in the boxcar.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I know we are Monday quarterbacking here. Should of could of. I cannot really say that I fault the guy. He made a mistake in judging the fragility of this old man. He wanted to stop to render assistance but his partner behind him made him proceed and ignore him. That was the biggest fuck up in my opinion.

All I can say is that this is something to learn from. Try to avoid it. They walked over him with indifference afterwards. That is what the people see. It doesn’t look good and puts further danger to your own lives and possibly your pocket.

Had they all stopped and provided immediate assistance, normal people (not agitators) would have seen this a lot differently.

 

[Airborneguy]

I know we are Monday quarterbacking here. Should of could of. I cannot really say that I fault the guy. He made a mistake in judging the fragility of this old man. He wanted to stop to render assistance but his partner behind him made him proceed and ignore him. That was the biggest fuck up in my opinion.

All I can say is that this is something to learn from. Try to avoid it. They walked over him with indifference afterwards. That is what the people see. It doesn’t look good and puts further danger to your own lives and possibly your pocket.

Had they all stopped and provided immediate assistance, normal people (not agitators) would have seen this a lot differently.

I have to surmise that there was something ahead and the supervisor was directing him to continue. That second guy does stop and go over the radio, likely calling for help. As usual, we’re only shown a small clip. They may have brought up a medic second later (we’ve had them staged nearby throughout this, I’m sure they are doing similar).

 

[Toecutter]

What were they doing that it warranted riot police to clear them from the area , looting burning buildings were they committing any crimes?

 

[Chevusa]

 

[Marine Cpl]

Irrelevant.

 

[kev74]

If he would have just followed police orders and got in the boxcar.

If he would have exercised common decency, and dare I say manors.

I can't imagine what he thought he was going to accomplish from the middle of the crowd that he wouldn't have been able to do from the sides - other than perhaps feed his ego or provide propaganda fodder (which he did well). He made a poor decision, and unfortunately paid a disproportionally high price.

 

[spat]

A stiff gust of wind would have done the same thing to that guy. He's a trouble maker and said he was looking to get arrested earlier that day.

That does raise the question, did the push even do this, or was the geezer trying to get all dramatic for the photo op and just went farther than he intended.

 

[spat]

But that’s the key here, he was barely touched. It was very clearly a little tap to get him out of the cop’s personal space, which he had already broken by touching him.

We cannot be responsible for knowing that the person who just rushed up to us and TOUCHED us is a fragile geezer. I’ve fought plenty of people OLDER than him who put up good offenses.

I could easily believe that this guy took that fall intentionally and that the push from the officer wasn't even the cause.

But, that just means that he baited the officer into that situation and the officer swallowed it hook, line, sinker, and copy of angling times.

 

[holdover]

My understanding that they had orders to clear the steps , he was argumentative and tapped the officer with his phone 3 times. I don't think that shove was overly rough , but it was unfortunate he cracked his head.

I can see why they resigned . If you give them orders to do something , and somebody is hurt while they are doing it , then you suspend them for trying to carry out the orders you gave them. Fuck you with a stick ,you do it now.

 

[holdover]

I could easily believe that this guy took that fall intentionally and that the push from the officer wasn't even the cause.

But, that just means that he baited the officer into that situation and the officer swallowed it hook, line, sinker, and copy of angling times.

nahh, he just stumbled, look at his feet .

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Rumors a bunch of buffalo PD got the blue flu today??

 

[holdover]

That's what he told me. which pretty much leaves us a in very bad spot tonight. They are trying to fill in with sheriffs and troopers

 

[meketrefe]

I believe these days when you see a person in the sidewalk with a mask,
that is very suspicious!!

 

[Airborneguy]

Rumors a bunch of buffalo PD got the blue flu today??

Little birdie claims this weekend will be very undermanned.

 

[holdover]

Getting dark ,Vampires will be out soon

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

So we're officially in curfew time.

Any updates?

 

[Airborneguy]

Im about to be hit now. We’re gonna make a stand at Brooklyn Bridge

 

[kev74]

Im about to be hit now. We’re gonna make a stand at Brooklyn Bridge

Stop playing with your phone!!!

Good luck!

 

[Saltwater60]

Nice! Way to stay strong. We have to reject the idea that cops have to act perfect in the face of deviancy. I don’t mean ignoring criminal behavior, but little shit like this in the face of what is going on should not lead to suspensions. Otherwise our only choice is to do nothing at all.

Well that’s what they want you to do is just that. Nothing.

 

[Airborneguy]

Stop playing with your phone!!!

Good luck!

They keep turning. Its in my hand because I don’t know all the streets here. This sucks! I them to come here.

 

[spat]

Im about to be hit now. We’re gonna make a stand at Brooklyn Bridge

You should be arresting anyone you see, then just bussing them up to DiBlasio's place and turning them lose with a complimentary backpack full of bricks and a crowbar.