Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Buffalo is not on encryption. Even if they were, a cell phone cannot break encryption. That’s impossible. There are also trunking scanners as well.
Buffalo PD emergency response team resigns over old man shove
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Depends on what the investigation turns up. Amazing what the investigators can come up when chasing the truth.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So what does that have to do with the BS posted here about him trying to get frequencies?
I know. I said such. Why are you repeating it to me?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Will the investigators investigate why he got admitted to a hospital and why the doctors kept him there if there was nothing wrong with him?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Because you mentioned trunking.
spat
.950 JDJ
Assuming all the underlying facts you allege are true, I find it very hard to believe that those people would publicly admit to them.
I could easily believe that this guy did what you claim, that this was fake blood and it was all a scam for the photo OP.
If that's the case, I do not believe that we would get the public admissions you are suggesting.
I think they would, at best, quietly bury the story and we just wouldn't hear about it again.
spat
.950 JDJ
He claimed to have a serious head injury.
That is enough to get him admitted, an actual head injury is not necessary.
The only relevant thing per the penal law is did the officers have intent to seriously injure him? Nobody can honestly answer that "yes". Both officers are acquitted.
spat
.950 JDJ
Depends entirely on the type of encryption.
There are many common older methods that a modern cell phone has more than enough horsepower to break.
Plus, the cell would not need to break anything, just record the raw data to be analyzed later.
I highly doubt this guy was capable of that, but it is certainly possible.
Also, this guy hasn't been accused of breaking anything, just of trying to do so, and any fool can try.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m not questioning officer intent. He clearly did not have any.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Sources on cellphones breaking police encryptions? Because on the biggest frequency forum in the world, no such thing exists.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He’s still in the hospital. Medical personnel would not keep him there unless there was an issue or a potential one that required observation. He would have never made it upstairs outside of the emergency room unless the doctors signed off on it.
spat
.950 JDJ
Any of the obsolete analog "scrambling" technologies ?
spat
.950 JDJ
Right, nobody faking a condition for attention ever gets admitted.
Especially not when they are part of a high profile nationwide media event and probably have a herd of lawyers following him around like plague of locusts.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Are you saying that the blood was fake?
spat
.950 JDJ
I don't know. I'm saying it's possible.
spat
.950 JDJ
No, what ?
No, You don't believe radios like that exist ?
No, You don't think an SDR dongle and a cell phone with appropriate software can break them ?
No, you don't believe this guy was doing that ?
What do you mean "No" ?
deinvert: A Voice Inversion Descrambler
Voice inversion scrambling is a simple and old security method used on analog radios to try and obscure conversations from being listened in on by people with scanners. It works simply by by moving the low frequencies higher and the high frequencies lower, or in other words inverting the audio...
www.rtl-sdr.com
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No to cellphones breaking police encryption.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, what, the software I provided a link to doesn't exist ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You cannot decrypt an encrypted police radio system unless you have a registered radio on the system with the encryption key. Period.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Per a retired nurse, possibly a Basilar Skull Fracture. "Symptoms may include bruising behind the ears, bruising around the eyes, or blood behind the ear drum."
My question is, from the picture, why does the blood appear to start in front of the ear, not within it.
If his skull had been fractured while still standing, it is possible the blood would begin flowing forward first... but the narrative states that the injury occurred when his head hit the ground, while he was in a supine position, thus the blood should not have been in front of the ear.
I am not outright saying the blood is fake...I'm saying the "evidence" appears to suggest that.
Additionally, from the reported (and video recorded) fall, I would expect a posterior bone breakage, not temporal. So more likely a spinal injury rather than bleeding from the ears. But, as I am not a med student, I will leave that determination to the professionals.
And, as for the EMTs saying something, yes, HIPPA is enforced VERY strictly. They could easily lose their license to practice medicine, as well as get sued out of existence, if they violate patient confidentiality.
That The Tyrant seeks to violate HIPPA with the SAFE Act is on the doctors who are willing to put their practices at risk following that illegal Law. I don't envy them, either they violate HIPPA, which could result in Federal charges if it were known, or they don't, which means The Tyrant will pull their license out of spite.
Just because someone hasn't brought up charges on a doctor for violating it yet doesn't mean it can't happen.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I have zero expertise in medicine . But I did find that the bleeding was rather rapid from the time of the strike, to the time of blood pooling on the ground.
The fact that this guy is practically a professional protestor And fanatical enough to spend his time and money protesting every event leads me to be suspicious . But that's all I got. There's no way for me to tell if there is a rubber hose and a blood bladder in the mask .
The fact that this guy is practically a professional protestor And fanatical enough to spend his time and money protesting every event leads me to be suspicious . But that's all I got. There's no way for me to tell if there is a rubber hose and a blood bladder in the mask .
Well that is what is required to be convicted of the charge. So what’s this all for? Drop the charges!!
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I sure fucking hope this happens. I hope it happens soon. Then I can tell my wife he wasn’t that nice old man you think he was!! She knows him through some people, through some people, and saw him once so I think that plays into it for her.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That’s a lot of blood from an ear. I don’t see that much coming out.
I originally thought it was from the back of his head like everyone else.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
The head bleeds, if the dude was on thinners it would really bleed. Unless all on the scene to treat him were complicit or just incompetent the fake blood would have been exposed right there on the side walk. Like stated above a basilar skull fx lines up with the way he went down. The blood may be coming from a laceration and not the underlying fracture if it exists.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
BPD does indeed use P25 digital (as well as analog) in the 460MHz range. It's listed further down in the Radioreference page linked above. They also use encryption, and among the various schemes for encrypting radio communications I doubt they're using anything less than AES. Furthermore, a radio only emits human-readable audio...recording it with a cellphone alone will get you precisely that. Recording the traffic on a given frequency with an SDR or another radio will get you the P25 digital data, but that can be done from anywhere you can hear the radio.
Now, trunking and encryption. The keys to decrypt the encrypted data in the P25 data stream (it's a digital protocol after all, not an analog waveform) do not travel over the air. They're inserted into the radio by a device usually referred to as a keyloader or KVL. A stolen radio will allow listening in to the encrypted channel, but the second a radio admin (think computer system admin, root or what have you) knows for a fact that radio is gone, they can un-affiliate it with the system, and if configured so, even brick it remotely.
Not saying there aren't ways to listen to P25, or that there isn't data that can be pulled from even encrypted transmissions, but I very highly doubt what this dude is doing with the cellphone has anything much to do with it. More than likely he's attempting to photograph badges and badge numbers, or perhaps pair with a bodycam or remote speaker mic that is bluetooth-enabled.
Now, trunking and encryption. The keys to decrypt the encrypted data in the P25 data stream (it's a digital protocol after all, not an analog waveform) do not travel over the air. They're inserted into the radio by a device usually referred to as a keyloader or KVL. A stolen radio will allow listening in to the encrypted channel, but the second a radio admin (think computer system admin, root or what have you) knows for a fact that radio is gone, they can un-affiliate it with the system, and if configured so, even brick it remotely.
Not saying there aren't ways to listen to P25, or that there isn't data that can be pulled from even encrypted transmissions, but I very highly doubt what this dude is doing with the cellphone has anything much to do with it. More than likely he's attempting to photograph badges and badge numbers, or perhaps pair with a bodycam or remote speaker mic that is bluetooth-enabled.