How to Fix This Country

[Marine Cpl]

There is a way to fix this country but the government and the majority will never agree to it. Never. The answer is quite simple actually. Legalize drugs, gambling, prostitution, and pass personal protection laws. You do those and most of the problems we have today will be go down dramatically.

Currently due to those 3 things being illegal, we have a large criminal element. Due to the large criminal element, we need more police. Due to the need for more police, we live in tyranny.

If you were to legalize those 3 things, a few things would happen.

1st. cartels and drug dealers would be out of business. There would be nothing that they could peddle on a grand scale. Gangs wouldn’t make money on those things in the scale they do now and they would just be left with turf wars for nothing for the most part.

2nd. Police would not be needed in the grand scale that they currently are. Sure they would be needed for murders, robberies, burglaries, and rapes, but that would be kept to the minimum with self defense laws and total focus by the police on those crimes. Gone would be the need for No Knock Raids for drugs and guns because since they will now be legal, SWAT will be relegated to just criminal barricades and antiterrorism which is rare. Gone would be the need for searches and every negative thing that comes along with it at car stops. Gone would be the need for K9 drug dogs. Car stops would be relegated to just the issuance of traffic violations. No searches needed resulting in arrests due to drugs, guns, and prostitution equals less police encounters resulting in less right’s violations and brutality. Gone would be the militarization of police. With No Knocks almost gone, there would be no need for armored vehicles and SWAT tools on such a large scale.

3rd. Since the poor and uneducated wouldn’t really have an out by selling drugs, prostitution, and gambling, they would be forced to look for work. Sure some will rob but police focus on those crimes and the citizenry able to protect themselves will hamper them. There would be a huge demand to bring jobs back to the US. Jobs that are normally taken by immigrants would be lucrative once again to the poor and uneducated since they would have no choice but to work them. Of course welfare would go up initially but reform and limits to that would reduce it.

Bottom line, the war on drugs, guns, gambling, and prostitution is very lucrative to the government. It keeps them in power. It gives them the need for tools to subjugate us. Just look at Vegas. Illegal gambling isn’t a major problem there. Look at states that have legalized marijuana. Those businesses are very lucrative despite being able to get marijuana cheaper on the street. Look at areas of Vegas and countries that have legalized prostitution. Human trafficking isn’t an issue in those places.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Criminals will crime. I'm sure they'd find something else to do.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Criminals will crime. I'm sure they'd find something else to do.

The only crimes would be real crimes. Murder, robberies, rape, ect.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

I agree to a certain point. Yes legalizing those crimes will lower THOSE crimes but others will rise. Criminal organizations still make money from murder and kidnappings and other crimes. That nice corner store you go too probably have a gang forcing them to pay weekly dues. Paying ransoms are usually high. If you want to fix this country you have to literally start from the top and the snowball effect kicks in. My supervisor and I were having a great debate and agreed on a few points.
1). NO ONE/SITUATION/THING SHOULD TRUMP THE CONSTITUTION. If a pandemic can suspended your rights what else can? And for a virus you want to close gun shops? But keep liquor store open? No that shouldn’t be allowed. And if it is when that plan backfires someone should be held accountable.
2). ALL GUN LAWS SHOULD BE FEDERAL. NY/CA/MA and other liberal places shouldn’t make laws that obviously infringes or go against the purpose of the firearm. If they want to pass gun control the federal government should do it not the state and all 50 states should abide by it we’re the United States not selected states.
3). COPS SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD. We are getting too PC and that doesn’t benefit anyone other than liberals themselves. Everything is becoming political. I personally believe Police should have PT standards and annual fitness test like the Marine corps. There’s WAAAAYYYY to many overweight cops in NY getting high pay but can’t chase criminals or even do their jobs and it could literally be simple, for example 1 mile run in 14 minutes and 10 pushups in 1 minute. Something easy but if can’t achieve then you’ll be placed on desk duty until you pass and only have 6 months if you can’t then you’ll be terminated. Cops are looked up as local hero’s but some only look at it as a 9-5 job and don’t even take it seriously. Also when a cop is getting sued, THAT COP should pay for the lawsuit not the citizens.
4). HOLD PEOPLE WHO LIE/FALSIFY STATEMENTS ACCOUNTABLE. There are too many good officers who who being accused of crimes they did not commit and when found innocent the accuse walk scott free. They should face a minimum of 10 years IMO. And when lying about a crime you should be punished.

 

[Criticalt]

I was thinking more like Napalm or a super volcano.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

There are 3 simple things lacking that are driving almost all of what we see wrong today.

Accountability
Morals
Pride

Even a slight uptick in any 1 of the 3 would dramatically decrease most of the issues we're dealing with.

 

[dsdmmat]

Tar and feathering politicians.

 

[kev74]

One more thing... Institutionalize people who are a danger to themselves and others.

 

[Saltwater60]

Legalizing drugs will drop the crime rate but won’t change that drug related crimes will still occur and likely rise. Robbery, burglary, theft, child and domestic abuse will rise. Murders will rise. Saying that you can pass self defense laws will help slightly but not a ton. There are those that will refuse to carry a gun and defend themselves and you can’t say oh well then too bad for them. No one should be required to carry a gun or shoot someone. Sorry.

 

[C3D]

OP is not off base. ”The War on Drugs” has resulted in the militarization of the police and the incarceration explosion. Directly responsible for the death of Breanna Taylor, killed in a no-knock midnight raid over a drug package delivery that may have been to a different address.

 

[spat]

Criminals will crime. I'm sure they'd find something else to do.

If you take the profit out of those crimes, they will be forced into unorganized petty theft. Much easier to deal with.

 

[spat]

Legalizing drugs will drop the crime rate but won’t change that drug related crimes will still occur and likely rise. Robbery, burglary, theft, child and domestic abuse will rise. Murders will rise. Saying that you can pass self defense laws will help slightly but not a ton. There are those that will refuse to carry a gun and defend themselves and you can’t say oh well then too bad for them. No one should be required to carry a gun or shoot someone. Sorry.

Most of the serious drug crime isn't junkies looking for their fix, it's gangs protecting their territory. Legalization would absolutely eliminate those.

 

[Airborneguy]

God I hate doing this....

How does legalizing all drugs create this utopia where drug users (which there will be a lot more of) stop committing crimes to get the money to buy their drugs?

Whether the users have to pay illicit dealers or legal dispensaries, their fucked up lives still don’t afford them the avenues for financial gain which normal people have. Suddenly all these users are going to become productive members of society just because their drugs are now legal to purchase?

And to be clear, I do believe most drugs should be legal. I just KNOW that it won’t change shit for the users other than not getting arrested for possession anymore.

 

[togmaster]

Legalize hookers? That might be the first time I ever agreed with you.

 

[spat]

God I hate doing this....

How does legalizing all drugs create this utopia where drug users (which there will be a lot more of) stop committing crimes to get the money to buy their drugs?

Whether the users have to pay illicit dealers or legal dispensaries, their fucked up lives still don’t afford them the avenues for financial gain which normal people have. Suddenly all these users are going to become productive members of society just because their drugs are now legal to purchase?

And to be clear, I do believe most drugs should be legal. I just KNOW that it won’t change shit for the users other than not getting arrested for possession anymore.

It won't stop the junkies.

It will stop the gangs and cartels.

It's not going to fix everything, but it will be much better that what we've got.

Just like ending prohibition didn't eliminate alcoholism, but it did eliminate bootleggers.

 

[Airborneguy]

It won't stop the junkies.

It will stop the gangs and cartels.

It's not going to fix everything, but it will be much better that what we've got.

Just like ending prohibition didn't eliminate alcoholism, but it did eliminate bootleggers.

Read will’s original post. He at least sure seems to believe that legalizing drugs will stop most crimes.

I can assure you that cartels and dealers aren’t the bulk of the perps resulting from the drug trade. For every “cartel member” there’s probably 10 distributors. For every distributor, 20-50 street dealers. Maybe the street dealers cause some “regular crime”, but for every dealer there’s untold numbers of users and THOSE are the junkies who bust into cars, rob people, burglarize, steal from stores, run car accident insurance scams, etc to get money to buy their chosen poison.

 

[Toecutter]

All drug law are illegal congress had no right or power to pass them . If anything its a state's right issue. Article 1 section 8 defines the scope of legislative power .

Cats out of the bag with cartels they have so much money from this mistake our country has made. They will make money some other way but not stopping the flow of drug money as soon as we can to them is insane. The money from prohibition has fueled organized crime for a century unfortunately we didn’t learn our lesson from that.

If someone steals for drug money stealing is a real crime. Punish them for that not just the act of possession. Our justice system is overwhelmed our prisons are full and we are all paying for it. There are private prisons making a fortune over it and im sure the cartels have some of our own leaders in their pockets.

I also know a lot of democrats that are hesitant to support republicans over this one issue.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Legalizing drugs will drop the crime rate but won’t change that drug related crimes will still occur and likely rise. Robbery, burglary, theft, child and domestic abuse will rise. Murders will rise. Saying that you can pass self defense laws will help slightly but not a ton. There are those that will refuse to carry a gun and defend themselves and you can’t say oh well then too bad for them. No one should be required to carry a gun or shoot someone. Sorry.

And police focus on that specifically and the citizenry able to protect themselves will equalize most of it.

 

[Darth]

I fully agree with legalizing everything you mentioned in the OP.

In addition, ELIMINATE executive orders. Period. No compromise. And this means "messages of necessity" too. If you use one, under the guise of their original intent, i.e. imminent danger (read a few hours or less) you must still be removed from office and face trial. Guilty until proven innocent. Remember, this is the government we are talking about, not the citizens innocent until proven guilty.

The big one though is police accountability. That needs rewritten. And I do NOT me a cops just snitching on each other and the "bad apples." I mean, if you arrest someone for a crime and they get found not guilty, IMMEDIATELY you should be removed from that position for life. "But that will scare a lot of cops out of making arrests." That's the point. We aren't talking about picking out the wrong screw at the hardware store. You are gambling with lives. If you feel strong enough that the person you are about to arrest is guilty, no issue. But you'd better make damn sure you are right. Similar to the punishment that should befall false rape accusers.

 

[Toecutter]

I fully agree with legalizing everything you mentioned in the OP.

In addition, ELIMINATE executive orders. Period. No compromise. And this means "messages of necessity". If you use one, under the guise of their original intent, i.e. imminent danger (read a few hours or less) you must still be removed from office and face trial. Guilty until proven innocent. Remember, this is the government we are talking about, not the citizens innocent until proven guilty.

The big one though is police accountability. That needs rewritten. And I do NOT me a cops just snitching on each other and the "bad apples." I mean, if you arrest someone for a crime and they get found not guilty, IMMEDIATELY you should be removed from that position for life. "But that will scare a lot of cops out of making arrests." That's the point. We aren't talking about picking out the wrong screw at the hardware store. You are gambling with lives. If you feel strong enough that the person you are about to arrest is guilty, no issue. But you'd better make damn sure you are right. Similar to the punishment that should befall false rape accusers.

I was talking to a friend about when people are found innocent after spending decades in prison. The people who prosecuted them should be held responsible. If you arnt 100 percent sure you shouldn’t prosecute . The downside to this is if someone is found to be innocent they may bury it.

There should also be no plea deals. The state uses this to strong arm people into pleading guilty even if they know they are innocent.

Bottom line the whole system is fucked its just a meat grinder if you get caught in it innocent or guilty you are fucked.

 

[spat]

Read will’s original post. He at least sure seems to believe that legalizing drugs will stop most crimes.

I can assure you that cartels and dealers aren’t the bulk of the perps resulting from the drug trade. For every “cartel member” there’s probably 10 distributors. For every distributor, 20-50 street dealers. Maybe the street dealers cause some “regular crime”, but for every dealer there’s untold numbers of users and THOSE are the junkies who bust into cars, rob people, burglarize, steal from stores, run car accident insurance scams, etc to get money to buy their chosen poison.

Legalization would eliminate the cartel members, the distributors, and the street dealers.

It would also vastly reduce the junkies criminal activity.

Walmart isn't going to trade drugs for stolen goods like the street dealers do.

Legalization would decimate the entire economy built around the drug trade.

 

[spat]

I was talking to a friend about when people are found innocent after spending decades in prison. The people who prosecuted them should be held responsible. If you arnt 100 percent sure you shouldn’t prosecute . The downside to this is if someone is found to be innocent they may bury it.

There should also be no plea deals. The state uses this to strong arm people into pleading guilty even if they know they are innocent.

Bottom line the whole system is fucked its just a meat grinder if you get caught in it innocent or guilty you are fucked.

Plea deals are 100% unjust.

There are only 2 possibilities. A guilty person is getting off light, or an innocent person is getting railroaded. Neither are justice.

It should be illegal for a prosecutor to charge anything other than the the actual crime the evidence supports.

It should also be illegal for them to not charge a crime once there is sufficient evidence to convict.

 

[Saltwater60]

Most of the serious drug crime isn't junkies looking for their fix, it's gangs protecting their territory. Legalization would absolutely eliminate those.

I’m not being a jerk here so please don’t take this the wrong way.
If you actually research the states that have legalized marijuana the amount in tax revenue is much less than projected. The state putting their hands, fees, permits, and red tape on it causes the cost to rise immensely. I know big surprise right? There is still a very large black market for weed in those states. Something like 80% of weed is still bought illegally on the black market in states that legalize it. This will not fix everything and gangs will still control this.

I’m not for legalizing weed in NYS but if they do it you will only be able to carry a certain amount and selling it will still be illegal without permits and taxes. Cigarettes are still sold illegally so why would anyone here think the black market for drugs and gangs would disappear?So if it’s truly legal you should be able to have a semi truck load of weed. The government can’t have it both ways.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Better option:

 

[Saltwater60]

All drug law are illegal congress had no right or power to pass them . If anything its a state's right issue. Article 1 section 8 defines the scope of legislative power .

Cats out of the bag with cartels they have so much money from this mistake our country has made. They will make money some other way but not stopping the flow of drug money as soon as we can to them is insane. The money from prohibition has fueled organized crime for a century unfortunately we didn’t learn our lesson from that.

If someone steals for drug money stealing is a real crime. Punish them for that not just the act of possession. Our justice system is overwhelmed our prisons are full and we are all paying for it. There are private prisons making a fortune over it and im sure the cartels have some of our own leaders in their pockets.

I also know a lot of democrats that are hesitant to support republicans over this one issue.

Legalizing drugs will not stop the illegal sale of them. Do some research. The illegal drug trade for weed is still hot and heavy in those states that legalized it.

Redirect Notice

 

[spat]

I’m not being a jerk here so please don’t take this the wrong way.
If you actually research the states that have legalized marijuana the amount in tax revenue is much less than projected. The state putting their hands, fees, permits, and red tape on it causes the cost to rise immensely. I know big surprise right? There is still a very large black market for weed in those states. Something like 80% of weed is still bought illegally on the black market in states that legalize it. This will not fix everything and gangs will still control this.

I’m not for legalizing weed in NYS but if they do it you will only be able to carry a certain amount and selling it will still be illegal without permits and taxes. Cigarettes are still sold illegally so why would anyone here think the black market for drugs and gangs would disappear?So if it’s truly legal you should be able to have a semi truck load of weed. The government can’t have it both ways.

I am against the ridiculous taxes on it too. They have defeated the purpose.

There was a thriving black market for alcohol after prohibition ended too, all from the overtaxation. Eventually that mostly went away.

Technically almost nothing is illegal, it's just taxed and permitted.

With enough money and lawyers you can legally snort cocaine off your m134a while getting a blowjob from some hooker.

Money and lawyers should not be the determining factor for what is legal.

 

[Saltwater60]

And police focus on that specifically and the citizenry able to protect themselves will equalize most of it.

Maybe half the population have guns and maybe half of that half carry a pistol outside of their home.
In large cities where most crime happens I’ll bet it’s less. There are a lot of people who can’t protect themselves.

 

[Saltwater60]

I fully agree with legalizing everything you mentioned in the OP.

In addition, ELIMINATE executive orders. Period. No compromise. And this means "messages of necessity" too. If you use one, under the guise of their original intent, i.e. imminent danger (read a few hours or less) you must still be removed from office and face trial. Guilty until proven innocent. Remember, this is the government we are talking about, not the citizens innocent until proven guilty.

The big one though is police accountability. That needs rewritten. And I do NOT me a cops just snitching on each other and the "bad apples." I mean, if you arrest someone for a crime and they get found not guilty, IMMEDIATELY you should be removed from that position for life. "But that will scare a lot of cops out of making arrests." That's the point. We aren't talking about picking out the wrong screw at the hardware store. You are gambling with lives. If you feel strong enough that the person you are about to arrest is guilty, no issue. But you'd better make damn sure you are right. Similar to the punishment that should befall false rape accusers.

One major flaw here is cops don’t find people guilty.

 

[Darth]

One major flaw here is cops don’t find people guilty.

Not a flaw nor an argument made.

They arrest people and charge them. When an outside body, a jury, finds them not guilty, yank their PO status.

 

[Airborneguy]

One major flaw here is cops don’t find people guilty.

Most arrests aren’t officer initiated either. They are derived from the sworn statements of real victims.